Stanback vs Ogletree for 5th Receiver Spot *Merge*

[UnoDallas]

this a friends break down

Offense: (24)

QB: Romo, Kitna, McGee (3)
RB: Barber, Jones, Choice (3)
FB: Crosslin (1)
TE: Witten, Bennett, Phillips (3)
WR: Williams, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Ogletree (5)
LT: Adams, Free (2)
LG: Kosier, Holland (2)
C: Gurode, Procter (2)
RF: Davis (1)
RT: Columbo, McQuistan (2)

Defense: (25)

LDE: Spears, Hatcher (2)
NT: Ratliff, Siavii (2)
RDE: Olshansky, Bowen (2)
LOLB: Spencer (1)
LILB: James, Carpenter (2)
RILB: Brooking, Williams, Hodge (3)
ROLB: Ware, Butler, Octavien (3)
RCB: Newman, Ball (2)
S'S: Sensabaugh, M. Hamlin (2)
FS: K. Hamlin, Watkins, Smith (3)
LCB: Jenkins, Scandrick, Mickens (3)

Special Teams: (4)

PK: Folk
K: Buehler
P- McBriar
LS Ladouceour

I like to keep Stewart

PS Bright, Gibbons, Lattimore, Anderson , M. Johnson, Hannah, Dixon, and Brown

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I just don't see any of those guys DEMANDING spots over Stanback, thus my comment that we could easily keep both Stanback and Ogeltree.

I'd rather just pick up Roscoe Parrish when he is cut and have him over Stanback if we are keeping 6 wr's. Stanback won't impact the game while Roscoe would.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

this a friends break down

Offense: (24)

QB: Romo, Kitna, McGee (3)
RB: Barber, Jones, Choice (3)
FB: Crosslin (1)
TE: Witten, Bennett, Phillips (3)
WR: Williams, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Ogletree (5)
LT: Adams, Free (2)
LG: Kosier, Holland (2)
C: Gurode, Procter (2)
RF: Davis (1)
RT: Columbo, McQuistan (2)

Defense: (25)

LDE: Spears, Hatcher (2)
NT: Ratliff, Siavii (2)
RDE: Olshansky, Bowen (2)
LOLB: Spencer (1)
LILB: James, Carpenter (2)
RILB: Brooking, Williams, Hodge (3)
ROLB: Ware, Butler, Octavien (3)
RCB: Newman, Ball (2)
S'S: Sensabaugh, M. Hamlin (2)
FS: K. Hamlin, Watkins, Smith (3)
LCB: Jenkins, Scandrick, Mickens (3)

Special Teams: (4)

PK: Folk
K: Buehler
P- McBriar
LS Ladouceour

PS Bright, Gibbons, Lattimore, Anderson , M. Johnson, Hannah, Dixon, and Brown

That seems pretty good except i'd cut Watkins.

 

[UnoDallas]

That seems pretty good except i'd cut Watkins.

I think cut Watkins an put Stewart in his place - can never have enuf LBers

 

[Bleu Star]

He looked good against scrubs. He can catch the ball and runs decent routes. He's quick but not that fast just fast enough. He'd be a good 4-6 WR depending on his STs play, PRs, and KRs if that's feasible.

He's not as talented as Stanback. There is only one WR on the team with near his talent and that's Austin. Now that doesn't mean he's NFL ready to start or contribute because there is a lot more to the game at WR than just talent. But you don't teach or coach that stuff. You either have it or not. And he has it in spades.

Doesn't matter how fancy or good you look doing something as long as you get 'er done. He still needs to prove that and stay healthy.

The Stanback sucks routine is old. Get a new gig.

Hey bud. Is this the real jobberone or has Stanback's brother stolen your login credentials?

 

[30yrheel]

Hey bud. Is this the real jobberone or has Stanback's brother stolen your login credentials?

cut Stanback........i'm just sayin........

 

[AsthmaField]

You can have Hodge and Stanback on the roster, no problem. You'd still be able to add one of the following as well:

Dixon
Mickens
Watkins
Brown

My point being, originally, is that six receivers is still very much a likely option.

I know they could. If it comes down to Hodge or Stanback, I was just saying that I'd go with Hodge (who I think will make the team). I like Hodge's potential as a LB/special teams player more than I like Stanback's potential as a WR/special teams guy.

Of those four you mentioned... probably only Mickens is someone who I would keep over Stanback though. I don't dislike Stanback; I just think he might not ever pan out (and I like Ogletree much more). Watkins is as good as gone (I hope) and I think Dixon is going to be on the practice squad one more season.

As for Brown... I think he's had enough time. I hope we move on and try to let Mickens develop instead of him.

 

[jobberone]

Well your posts sure seem to indicate something different. You continually tout Stanback's physical skills while downplaying his complete lack of production, while at the same time minimizing what Ogletree has done to date.



I disagree. Ogletree hasn't come out of nowhere and gotten lucky, he's been solid since he arrived in Dallas. Stanback has continued to produce nothing, both in the preseason and regular seasons.



Not looking for an argument, just to debate what I feel is faulty logic.

Nothing personal.

It appears to be a crowd mentality when it comes to Stanback. I don't think it matters a lot because it appears Hurd and Austin will get the lion's share of snaps behind the 1 and 2. Unless there's an injury or three the 5th WR is not going to be doing much except play STs and maybe run a kickoff back. Austin is better than Stanback or Olgetree at KR anyway.

I've just steadfastly pointed out Stanback's athletic talent which is superior to Olgetree. Since it almost always takes more than a year or even two for a rookie to contribute then I can wait on Olgetree. I seriously doubt he'll get snapped up from the PS.

It's time to see if there is any fruit on the tree. Stanback should be given every opportunity BEHIND Austin and Hurd to make this team for the good of the team. I won't be surprised if he gets cut and then Olgetree looks to be the choice if that happens. JMO.

 

[Stash]

It appears to be a crowd mentality when it comes to Stanback. I don't think it matters a lot because it appears Hurd and Austin will get the lion's share of snaps behind the 1 and 2. Unless there's an injury or three the 5th WR is not going to be doing much except play STs and maybe run a kickoff back. Austin is better than Stanback or Olgetree at KR anyway.

True.

That said, I still want the best 'receiver' ready to go if need be. This team's group of receivers doesn't have the best track record with regard to health.

I've just steadfastly pointed out Stanback's athletic talent which is superior to Olgetree. Since it almost always takes more than a year or even two for a rookie to contribute then I can wait on Olgetree. I seriously doubt he'll get snapped up from the PS.

While I have little doubt that he'd be snapped up before 10 teams had their waiver chance at him.

It's time to see if there is any fruit on the tree. Stanback should be given every opportunity BEHIND Austin and Hurd to make this team for the good of the team. I won't be surprised if he gets cut and then Olgetree looks to be the choice if that happens. JMO.

He's already had that - and done nothing with it. But I'm more than willing to give him the rest of the preseason to force the Cowboys to keep 6 receivers.

But if they only keep 5, Ogletree deserves to be that #5.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

It appears to be a crowd mentality when it comes to Stanback. I don't think it matters a lot because it appears Hurd and Austin will get the lion's share of snaps behind the 1 and 2. Unless there's an injury or three the 5th WR is not going to be doing much except play STs and maybe run a kickoff back. Austin is better than Stanback or Olgetree at KR anyway.

I've just steadfastly pointed out Stanback's athletic talent which is superior to Olgetree. Since it almost always takes more than a year or even two for a rookie to contribute then I can wait on Olgetree. I seriously doubt he'll get snapped up from the PS.

It's time to see if there is any fruit on the tree. Stanback should be given every opportunity BEHIND Austin and Hurd to make this team for the good of the team. I won't be surprised if he gets cut and then Olgetree looks to be the choice if that happens. JMO.

All that athletic talent and potential doesn't mean crap when it doesn't translate to games.

 

[jobberone]

True.

That said, I still want the best 'receiver' ready to go if need be. This team's group of receivers doesn't have the best track record with regard to health.



While I have little doubt that he'd be snapped up before 10 teams had their waiver chance at him.



He's already had that - and done nothing with it. But I'm more than willing to give him the rest of the preseason to force the Cowboys to keep 6 receivers.

But if they only keep 5, Ogletree deserves to be that #5.

I wouldn't worry too much about that 5th and injuries. I wonder if they could just split MartyB out wide more if we got too low on WRs????????

 

[big dog cowboy]

If it comes down to Hodge or Stanback, I was just saying that I'd go with Hodge (who I think will make the team). I like Hodge's potential as a LB/special teams player more than I like Stanback's potential as a WR/special teams guy.

Of those four you mentioned... probably only Mickens is someone who I would keep over Stanback though. I don't dislike Stanback; I just think he might not ever pan out (and I like Ogletree much more). Watkins is as good as gone (I hope) and I think Dixon is going to be on the practice squad one more season.

As for Brown... I think he's had enough time. I hope we move on and try to let Mickens develop instead of him.

Well said **. I completely agree!!!

 

[TD-33]

Was watching the media clips from today and noticed Holley's locker.
Reminded me someone has him on their 53 man roster lol.

http://img194.*************/img194/9306/holleyu.jpg

notice his nametag :

 

[Hoofbite]

Was watching the media clips from today and noticed Holley's locker.
Reminded me someone has him on their 53 man roster lol.

http://img194.*************/img194/9306/holleyu.jpg

notice his nametag :

Wouldn't that be slightly embarrassing? I mean, not to one of us who was just a fan but to a guy who wants to be taken seriously. Everyone knows you stand a snowballs chance in hell in making the roster and they give you the kindergarten special for a name tag.

 

[MONT17]

Would like to see Highlights of Stanback playing WR! ...is this year 3 or 4 for him?

 

[Fletch]

If he does it would mean 3 of our WRs are UDFAs and another one is a 7th round pick who converted positions. Pretty amazing when you think about it.

We still don't know how to draft! We're doomed!

 

[VACowboy]

I've just steadfastly pointed out Stanback's athletic talent which is superior to Olgetree.

Again: Have you heard and read about Stanback's "superior athletic talent" or have you actually seen it? This is an honest question because I haven't seen the guy do anything.

Did you see the move Ogletree put on the DB to get wide open in the end zone against Tennessee?

 

[jobberone]

Again: Have you heard and read about Stanback's "superior athletic talent" or have you actually seen it? This is an honest question because I haven't seen the guy do anything.

Did you see the move Ogletree put on the DB to get wide open in the end zone against Tennessee?

Yeah, I saw him. Again read the thread before making obnoxious comments about whether or not I even saw the guy.

If you can't see the difference then what I think won't mean anything. He still has to translate that to the field. He hasn't exactly been like a Felix Jones who's talent is evident and he's making play after play. This is not my first rodeo. But why do you think he's even been kept around after all his injuries if not for his athleticism and what he's shown in camp and OTAs? Why does he at time cause oohs and aahs in camp and get mentioned for being unstoppable at times?

If you don't get it you don't get it.

And for those with agendas, again he has to translate that to the field on game day. As if that's not incredibly evident and obvious.

I understand the fact he's been here a long time. But he's not been where you can evaluate him. Now he has no excuses nor is there a reason to discount the lack of production. The last thing you want to do though is carry a non-WR for three years thru injuries and the learning process then dump him prematurely. Esp someone with his athleticism.

That doesn't mean that time will run out on him at some point.

And while I like Olgetree, few of us have seen the guy play at VA or in camp. Then after one game and a few catches it's Danny Amendola all over again. He may pan out but lets give the guy a chance to fall or succeed before anointing him.

There is too much emotional reasoning and a lack of data to jump to conclusions about either one of these guys.

 

[TD-33]

Again: Have you heard and read about Stanback's "superior athletic talent" or have you actually seen it? This is an honest question because I haven't seen the guy do anything.

Did you see the move Ogletree put on the DB to get wide open in the end zone against Tennessee?

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Around the 1.05 minute on, the white and silver blur.
[youtube]1FuC3jnm4TE[/youtube]
QB = Stanback

 

[tomson75]

What exactly is "athletic talent"? The two terms don't work well with me in this case. "Athletic ability"? Maybe....but "athletic" and "talent" are two very different terms.

....and Stanback seems to only have one of the two....and thats only if pure speed equals athleticism. I keep hearing how the guy can cut so well at full speed and do these tremendous athletic feats that our other players are unable to do... I've yet to see where this extreme athleticism has allowed Stanback to run routes well, or make himself standout as a returner. It hasn't. He's been very unimpressive IMO.

So for all of his supposed athletic talent, he clearly hasn't translated it to the field. Instead, he's injured and re-injured himself enough times that his roster spot is in jeopardy....and rightly so. Meanwhile, we have a guy that has continually showed that he can play the position...and while his "athletic talent" may not be quite as impressive as Stanback's, it's pretty good....and guess what? He's a receiver.....you know, the position we're trying to fill....

NO brainer IMO.