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lostar2009 said:
But a qb if he is of quality his production will trickle down throughout the whole team.
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That isn't just nonsense, it's perpetual nonsense, as we see examples over and over of great QB -- even legendary QB -- go nowhere with bad teams.

See Montana in 1982, Kelly in '86, Brady in '02, Brees in '12, and Marino in '86, '88, and '91.
 
percyhoward said:
That isn't just nonsense, it's perpetual nonsense, as we see examples over and over of great QB -- even legendary QB -- go nowhere with bad teams.

See Montana in 1982, Kelly in '86, Brady in '02, Brees in '12, and Marino in '86, '88, and '91.
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I almost answered him, but then I realized his position is so stupid that it doesn't deserve an answer.
 
lostar2009 said:
I'm sorry Ware and Romo may not make it to the HOF but Witten will in those terms. At this moment if both careers was to end TODAY Ware has a better chance of making it than Romo. But overall those are skilled players. They can help a team but qbs build teams. Skill players have the luxury of being reviewed completely base off stats or production. But a qb if he is of quality his production will trickle down throughout the whole team.
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Thing about opinions, they are just that. Mine is it's a team game. Not one person.
 
Vtwin said:
But he never won the big one. So he is a choker. Good but not great. Right?
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Marino was great, his accolades support that not a QBR. The guy hold NFL records not franchise records. Are you following me so far?
 
percyhoward said:
That isn't just nonsense, it's perpetual nonsense, as we see examples over and over of great QB -- even legendary QB -- go nowhere with bad teams.

See Montana in 1982, Kelly in '86, Brady in '02, Brees in '12, and Marino in '86, '88, and '91.
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Over a prolong period not one or two bad seasons you wish to highlight. Besides sometimes a qb greatness isn't measured by stats it getting the job done regardless. That is somthing Joe and Brady has demonstrated plenty of times. A qb by himself isn't strong enough to take you to the SB but a playoff berths are more common.
 
PJTHEDOORS said:
Thing about opinions, they are just that. Mine is it's a team game. Not one person.
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I'm sorry a QB is attach to the team overall success. It is the only position besides a HC. Is it unfair ? Yes it is but besides the center he is the only player on the field that can dedicate ball placement more than 50% of the time. Why do you think teams go so far in depth when reviewing top tier qb? Why do you think they look into personality, leadership, scholarly attribute traits? Because it all runs through the qb. If a qb can't get his team going and there is fallout within the team look at the consequences. Please see RG3 and Gino Smith for examples.
 
lostar2009 said:
I'm sorry a QB is attach to the team overall success. It is the only position besides a HC. Is it unfair ? Yes it is but besides the center he is the only player on the field that can dedicate ball placement more than 50% of the time. Why do you think teams go so far in depth when reviewing top tier qb? Why do you think they look into personality, leadership, scholarly attribute traits? Because it all runs through the qb. If a qb can't get his team going and there is fallout within the team look at the consequences. Please see RG3 and Gino Smith for examples.
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A QB success depends on the recievers running the right routes, getting open, and catching the ball. A QB success depends on the OL protecting him. A QB's success depends on the defense stopping the other teams offense and getting good field position for their teams offense. The Dallas Cowboys are a team. Not the Dallas Romo's.
 
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lostar2009 said:
I'm sorry a QB is attach to the team overall success. It is the only position besides a HC. Is it unfair ? Yes it is but besides the center he is the only player on the field that can dedicate ball placement more than 50% of the time. Why do you think teams go so far in depth when reviewing top tier qb? Why do you think they look into personality, leadership, scholarly attribute traits? Because it all runs through the qb. If a qb can't get his team going and there is fallout within the team look at the consequences. Please see RG3 and Gino Smith for examples.
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QBs spend more than 50% of every game... ON THE BENCH!

And since the QB position is so important, wouldn't that mean that stopping the OPPONENT'S QB would have to be EQUALLY important?

That's all I've got for you. Now you can go back to embarrassing yourself.
 
Nav22 said:
QBs spend more than 50% of every game... ON THE BENCH!

And since the QB position is so important, wouldn't that mean that stopping the OPPONENT'S QB would have to be EQUALLY important?

That's all I've got for you. Now you can go back to embarrassing yourself.
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OK... so you mad bro?
 
PJTHEDOORS said:
A QB success depends on the recievers running the right routes, getting open, and catching the ball. A QB success depends on the OL protecting him. A QB's success depends on the defense stopping the other teams offense and getting good field position for their teams offense. The Dallas Cowboys are a team. Not the Dallas Romo's.
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Well that is how you guys make it seem. Here is how it goes when its good its ALL Romo. When it go downhill and Romo do a choke job its the TEAM fault. It's the TEAM fault he isn't great lol. I'm like serious how many 8-8 have we been through due to the fact Romo did the oh no !!! But I'm pass this we will have to agree to disagree. I appreciate the civil debate unlike others.
 
lostar2009 said:
Well that is how you guys make it seem. Here is how it goes when its good its ALL Romo. When it go downhill and Romo do a choke job its the TEAM fault. It's the TEAM fault he isn't great lol. I'm like serious how many 8-8 have we been through due to the fact Romo did the oh no !!! But I'm pass this we will have to agree to disagree. I appreciate the civil debate unlike others.
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Of course we focus on the what the qb did. But also what our OL did, what our recievers did, what our running game did. Same for what our defense did to help win or lose the game.
 
lostar2009 said:
One or two years doesn't cut it. I like to see a WHOLE body of work that doesn't justify itself base on a QBR. I have mention the greats their individual success often correlates to the team success. I really can't think of a qb that was consider great who team never really accomplished much. Can you find that guy for me?
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Archie Manning. John Elway before he got Terrell Davis. Dan Marino. Warren Moon. Tony Romo. Want me to continue?
 
Great documentary enjoyed it. Forgot that Miles Austin started off wearing # 14.
 
BraveHeartFan said:
After watching part 2 there is one thing really amazing to me...

Every time I think it's not possible to like Romo more, and want him to win a ring anymore than I already do, you hear him talk about his career, and football in general, and I walk away liking him more and wanting him to win even more.

I don't think the Cowboys have ever had a player in my lifetime that I've wanted to see win a championship as badly as I want to see Romo win one. This guy is not only ridiculously good at playing football but he's just a damn good dude. I really don't understand how anyone could possibly not like this guy.
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Agree 150% with this post. The guy Romo is just a great dude, I really hope that with him at the helm we can capture a SB for him. The guy has played his guts out for this team with mostly mid level talent his whole career. Finally we are starting to surround him with talent and you can see the benefit as of last year. Even the Jone's have said that they have failed to surround him with talent. I think its pretty obvious that he is a special talent, without him we really would have been DS all these years.
 
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