Starting FS-who's your pick

[theogt]

what's missing in the discussion of Watkins, I hear size, speed, talent, but I'm not hearing about how smart Watkins is, he's a pretty smart kid, and I know Parcells called him green in mini-camp, but it's mini-camp

I remember multiple comments around the draft about his intelligence. It was the whole "two parents with PHDs, etc., etc.".

 

[gimmesix]

Coleman = FOB, Parcells guy, hold-the-fort guy and any other description you want to throw in about players Parcells trusts and loves.

Parcells has no trust of the other safeties on the roster, and it will take time for them to earn that trust.

 

[theogt]

Coleman = FOB, Parcells guy, hold-the-fort guy and any other description you want to throw in about players Parcells trusts and loves.

Parcells has no trust of the other safeties on the roster, and it will take time for them to earn that trust.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious Coleman is here to start on day 1. Davis doesn't have much of a shot at that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I remember multiple comments around the draft about his intelligence. It was the whole "two parents with PHDs, etc., etc.".

true, but the smartness I'm talking about was his on the field

 

[theogt]

true, but the smartness I'm talking about was his on the field

We'll just have to see about that. Can't really tell much from camp or college.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious Coleman is here to start on day 1. Davis doesn't have much of a shot at that.

Parcells debated starting Davis last year because of his role on special teams. Considering that he ended up having to use Davis more on special teams than he wanted to and that we've "improved" our depth at free safety, it doesn't seem likely to me that starting him at FS is going to win the debate this year.

 

[SuspectCorner]

i agree with all those who voted davis. i think he'll be the starter on opening day. but i hope he's been supplanted by... say... midway thru the season.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Parcells debated starting Davis last year because of his role on special teams. Considering that he ended up having to use Davis more on special teams than he wanted to and that we've "improved" our depth at free safety, it doesn't seem likely to me that starting him at FS is going to win the debate this year.

he started Davis last year because he won the job, Parcells will start whoever's the best player

 

[theogt]

he started Davis last year because he won the job, Parcells will start whoever's the best player

He "won" the job by default.

 

[gimmesix]

he started Davis last year because he won the job, Parcells will start whoever's the best player

I'm not saying he didn't win the job, just that Parcells considered not starting him because of the value he brings to special teams.

Last year, Parcells had to start Davis because his only other options were Lynn Scott, Tony Dixon and Izell Reese (before Pile was brought in and split time with Davis).

This year, Parcells should have a lot better reasons to keep Davis on special teams and out of the starting defense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He "won" the job by default.

how can you say that? he beat who he was supposed to beat, just because we didn't bring in anyone better doesn't make it his fault

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Watkins is the tallest Defensive Back in the NFL... he could play center field and we could play Roy Williams more in the box...

 

[theogt]

how can you say that? he beat who he was supposed to beat, just because we didn't bring in anyone better doesn't make it his fault

He won the job by default because his opponents were guys that couldn't even make other teams' practice squads.

Just like if I was on the team and all there was for my competition was a bunch of grannys in wheelchairs, I'd have to "win" the job right? Right? C'mon coach, put me in.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He won the job by default because his opponents were guys that couldn't even make other teams' practice squads.

you misunderstand the meaning of the phrase, "by default", by default would mean that he won the job because his main competition got injured, or busted for drugs and suspended, whatever, Davis won the job last year plain and simple, so again, don't fault him for the Cowboys not signing a FS worth a damn

 

[theogt]

you misunderstand the meaning of the phrase, "by default", by default would mean that he won the job because his main competition got injured, or busted for drugs and suspended, whatever, Davis won the job last year plain and simple, so again, don't fault him for the Cowboys not signing a FS worth a damn

Default means he had no real competition. If a guy gets injured or busted for drugs they bring in some guy of the street to replace him. That "guy off the street" is the equivalent of Davis's competition last year. They were a bunch of "guys off the street". He won the position by default.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Default means he had no real competition.

de·fault ([FONT=verdana, sans-serif] P [/FONT]) Pronunciation Key (d

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n.

1. Failure to perform a task or fulfill an obligation, especially failure to meet a financial obligation: in default on a loan.
2. Law. Failure to make a required court appearance.
3. The failure of one or more competitors or teams to participate in a contest: won the championship by default.
4. 1. Computer Science. A particular setting or value for a variable that is assigned automatically by an operating system and remains in effect unless canceled or overridden by the operator: changed the default for the font in the word processing program.
   2. A situation or condition that obtains in the absence of active intervention.

really? I dont' see that anywhere in the definition of "default"

 

[theogt]

de·fault ([FONT=verdana, sans-serif] P [/FONT]) Pronunciation Key (d

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n.

1. Failure to perform a task or fulfill an obligation, especially failure to meet a financial obligation: in default on a loan.
2. Law. Failure to make a required court appearance.
3. The failure of one or more competitors or teams to participate in a contest: won the championship by default.
4. 1. Computer Science. A particular setting or value for a variable that is assigned automatically by an operating system and remains in effect unless canceled or overridden by the operator: changed the default for the font in the word processing program.
   2. A situation or condition that obtains in the absence of active intervention.

really? I dont' see that anywhere in the definition of "default"

Are you serious?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Are you serious?

quite, nothing in the meaning of "default" does it say, "not providing competitors to compete with", the one I have in bold speaks for itself, and proves me right

 

[theogt]

quite, nothing in the meaning of "default" does it say, "not providing competitors to compete with", the one I have in bold speaks for itself, and proves me right

I guess you're just not too familiar with the use of the term regarding football. No one EVER wins a position by default because there are no other players competing. There are always other players. By your limited definition there could be no such term in football. Then again, if I were using the definition you provided in court it could certainly be construed to favor my position.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess you're just not too familiar with the use of the term regarding football. No one EVER wins a position by default because there are no other players competing. There are always other players. By your limited definition there could be no such term in football. Then again, if I were using the definition you provided in court it could certainly be construed to favor my position.

dude, the definition I have highlighted is used in reference to the participants in a team sport, is football not a team sport? I gave you the dictionary's definition, and also the definition as how it's applied to football, a person's main competition for a position being unable to thoroughly compete with him, in order to win the job due to injury, suspension, etc., what you gave me was a misunderstanding of the phrase, "by default", it does not mean he was the only qualified candidate for the FS position, your definition, which is wrong, and has been proven by the definition, and there is only one definition for a word, so for the last time, don't fault Davis for the Cowboy's inability to find a better FS alternative, so Davis won the FS job, by performance, NOT default, last year, this year may be a different story, but who knows? that's why they play the game