Starting FS-who's your pick

[theogt]

I'll video and post myself eating a copy of War and Peace if Coleman doesn't make the final roster. I'll eat a Curious George book if he isn't the starter on day one.

 

[Screw The Hall]

I'll video and post myself eating a copy of War and Peace if Coleman doesn't make the final roster. I'll eat a Curious George book if he isn't the starter on day one.

That's funny.

 

[twa]

I'll video and post myself eating a copy of War and Peace if Coleman doesn't make the final roster. I'll eat a Curious George book if he isn't the starter on day one.

Are you gonna want fries with that?

Seriously it could happen of course,I am just glad to see a real competition there.

 

[Dat Dude]

I say Justin Beriault will shine in camp and preseason and take the starting role of FS. But if that dosent happen I say it will be Marcus Coleman in the first half and then Pat Wakins/Keith Davis/ Wille Pile and Justin Beriault taking over FS, but once agian we wont have an idea of who will be our FS for the following season.

4.6 DB's dont play Free.. They either gain weight and play WLB or stay on roster by being a special teams terror... Last thing I want to see is Santana Moss having a 4.6 safety help over the top. I could care less how much of a "nose" for the football he has, you cant teach speed or experience and he has neither....

 

[theogt]

4.6 DB's dont play Free.. They either gain weight and play WLB or stay on roster by being a special teams terror... Last thing I want to see is Santana Moss having a 4.6 safety help over the top. I could care less how much of a "nose" for the football he has, you cant teach speed or experience and he has neither....

Quick, someone post the Beriault combine stats. I need to save those somewhere so I can copy and paste them quickly.

Edit: Here's a few of them.

Fastest 20 yard shuttle overall: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 3.80
Fastest 20 yard shuttle for defensive backs: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 3.80
Fastest 60 yard shuttle for safeties: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 10.82
3rd fastest 60 yard shuttle overall: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 10.82

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I think the Cowboys are hoping Pat Watkins will assume the starting spot sometime during the year.

 

[Carlito]

I think Pat Watkins will be the starter by the end of the season due to his height and speed combination. :skins:

 

[Dat Dude]

Quick, someone post the Beriault combine stats. I need to save those somewhere so I can copy and paste them quickly.

Edit: Here's a few of them.

Fastest 20 yard shuttle overall: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 3.80
Fastest 20 yard shuttle for defensive backs: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 3.80
Fastest 60 yard shuttle for safeties: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 10.82
3rd fastest 60 yard shuttle overall: Justin Beriault (Ball State) 10.82

I missed the point?!?!?!?

So what! A combine hero!! Theres a reason why hes a 6th round pick..

I agree hips are very important in playing coverage because without them as we all know your burnt. But you can have the quickest hips in the world but if 4.3 speed is at full speed and your relying on Berry-O as your Cover 2 man help then you can kiss that WR bye. He WILL be no greater than a SS backup in this league with the potential to be an above average special teamer. I dont trust an average speed SS to play my FS with the likes of Santana, Sinorce, and G. Lewis in our Division. I's take my chances with a 6'4.5" giant that lacks experience.. but makes it up with 4.4 speed and a 6'4 frame. That height WILL help make up for his rookie mistakes..

Safetys from the MAC dont impress me

 

[theogt]

I missed the point?!?!?!?

So what! A combine hero!! Theres a reason why hes a 6th round pick..

I agree hips are very important in playing coverage because without them as we all know your burnt. But you can have the quickest hips in the world but if 4.3 speed is at full speed and your relying on Berry-O as your Cover 2 man help then you can kiss that WR bye. He WILL be no greater than a SS backup in this league with the potential to be an above average special teamer. I dont trust an average speed SS to play my FS with the likes of Santana, Sinorce, and G. Lewis in our Division. I's take my chances with a 6'4.5" giant that lacks experience.. but makes it up with 4.4 speed and a 6'4 frame. That height WILL help make up for his rookie mistakes..

Safetys from the MAC dont impress me

So you didn't miss the point. Rather, you dismissed it after stating how relevant it was.

 

[AsthmaField]

Theres a reason why hes a 6th round pick..

That's fine... but

I's take my chances with a 6'4.5" giant that lacks experience.. but makes it up with 4.4 speed and a 6'4 frame.

There's a reason why he was a 5th round pick...

My point is that they both have flaws. Watkins was passed by so many teams so often because of the reason you say you like him... his height. At 6'5", it's very difficult for Watkins to change direction. His straight line speed is fine, but if he has to change direction, he just can't get that long, high center of gravity body of his moving in a different direction very quickly.

Beriault has terrific change of direction. Rare COD for a safety. But his straight line speed is lacking some. Watkins suffers in the COD department, but his straight line speed is good.

Both went later in the draft for a reason and both have strength's and weaknesses... I just don't think it's fair to say Beriault went in the 6th for a reason without mentioning that Watkins went in the 5th for a reason.

You like the poor COD and good 40 time over the rare COD and average 40 time. What will the coaches like? Who knows, but we'll find out soon enough.

 

[TEK2000]

That's fine... but



There's a reason why he was a 5th round pick...

My point is that they both have flaws. Watkins was passed by so many teams so often because of the reason you say you like him... his height. At 6'5", it's very difficult for Watkins to change direction. His straight line speed is fine, but if he has to change direction, he just can't get that long, high center of gravity body of his moving in a different direction very quickly.

Beriault has terrific change of direction. Rare COD for a safety. But his straight line speed is lacking some. Watkins suffers in the COD department, but his straight line speed is good.

Both went later in the draft for a reason and both have strength's and weaknesses... I just don't think it's fair to say Beriault went in the 6th for a reason without mentioning that Watkins went in the 5th for a reason.

You like the poor COD and good 40 time over the rare COD and average 40 time. What will the coaches like? Who knows, but we'll find out soon enough.

I beg to differ... IT WON'T be soon enough for me! COME ON AUGUST.. LET'S GET IT ON!! :laugh1:

 

[AsthmaField]

I beg to differ... IT WON'T be soon enough for me! COME ON AUGUST.. LET'S GET IT ON!! :laugh1:

Never is soon enough.

Maybe a medically induced coma that would last until the end of July? That could be just the ticket. And think of the money you'd save on Beer and food!

 

[the_h0wey]

I think it's gotta be Coleman. I know he had an overall very poor year this past season, but he was on the freaking Texans. I mean less face it the Texans have a very poor defensive line last year, and NFL receivers are going to eventually get open. Coleman is a guy that has played for Parcells before, he is a proven veteran, and is much better in coverage than Keith Davis. Am I the only one who remembers blown covereage after blown coverage from Davis at safety last year? While I love the thought of Watkins getting some time at FS next year, I do not think Parcells will give the starting job away to an unproven rookie.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Marcus Coleman going to teach Patrick Watkins but only if Watkins uses that size well we will be seeing him start. Hands down.:starspin

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I missed the point?!?!?!?

So what! A combine hero!! Theres a reason why hes a 6th round pick..

I agree hips are very important in playing coverage because without them as we all know your burnt. But you can have the quickest hips in the world but if 4.3 speed is at full speed and your relying on Berry-O as your Cover 2 man help then you can kiss that WR bye.

NFL.com's Pat Kirwan did an article about a year ago, talking about the safety position, and how many starting NFL safeties were late-round picks because their 40 times were slow, in the article he stated that recognition, taking proper angles, were more important than straight-line speed, luckily you can teach those 2 things, and in last year's mini-camp, Berry-O was looking pretty instinctive, the ability to turn and run is very important for a FS, and that's where Berry-O's short-shuttle times, as well as his 20-yard dash time, which he did better than many CB prospects in both areas, many of who ran in the 4.3 40 range, come into play, as a FS, you have to be able to turn and get back into coverage in the deep-zone, FS aren't usually running forward in a straightline for more than 10-15, maybe 20 yards, and Berry-Os speed within 20 yards is more than adequate

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How is this second scenario any different than the first?

because by default ONLY means that your competition isn't able to finish competing with you, which wasn't the case with Davis winning the FS job, he won it by his performance in TC and preseason

 

[BruceWayne]

I'm going with Keith Davis, I think he will have worked on his cover skills, he was always a hitter, he starts opening day, who is you pick and why??

I'm going with KD. He has a chip on his shoulder from the fans and the media and a year of experience he will be better. I hope you guys don't think JJ matched that offer for him just to play ST

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

I agree with you... "Killa" Davis gets the starting nod... along with Marcus Coleman on nickel downs, and finally Davis giving way to Watkins later in the year after the defense goes top 3 in stats and performance... CRYSTAL BALL!! Poof!!

what he said

 

[ghst187]

I'm going with Coleman...
but the real question is HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WE KEEP THAT MANY SAFETIES ON THE ROSTER??!?!?

You can't keep 6 safeties on your roster.
Watkins and Williams are locks
Davis is probably staying this year....
I think the rest (Berault, Pile, Coleman) are battling it out for 2 (at most) roster spots. That's still 5 safeties on the roster....a bit much perhaps?
The deal with Davis is that he doesn't cover well enough for BP to get a level of comfort back there but he's too good at blitzing, hitting, and special teams to let walk (or else we wouldn't have matched the Saints' offer). Sure he can get better at S but honestly, I think the FS position is either natural for a player or its not. IMO, the fact is Davis is ideally a SS.
Berault is another guy who's probably more of a SS than a FS. He also is about one more knee injury away from being unemployed. I know everyone here and some of the coaching staff really like him but I'm not exactly sure how he is going to grab a roster spot. Pile and Coleman are what they are, decent FS's without much excitement. Can't have two of the same players hogging 2 roster spots. One of these guys is gone I think.
If Watkins turns out to be star and starts before the end of next season, I think Pile, Berault, and Coleman all get released.

As a side note....and I'm not saying I think this....but with Roy getting ready to get a major payday and us retaining Davis and drafting Watkins....and Davis being naturally more of a SS....hmmmm. Could Roy get shopped next offseason? Just a thought...esp with the fact that he'd net a king's ransom.
Brady Quinn????

 

[The30YardSlant]

Marcus Coleman, despite the fact that he couldnt tackle a 3rd grader, is an above average coverage safety and certainly the most experianced of all our safeties. He should start for at least the first few weeks until Watkins steps up.