Starting QBs In The NFL

[Gemini Dolly]

Really? Are you really still living those moments? Really?

omg

smh

I am just saying a lot of the hate for Romo came after those "events" Just my observation. I was a fan of him during those times, btw.

 

[5Stars]

I am just saying a lot of the hate for Romo came after those "events" Just my observation. I was a fan of him during those times, btw.

I know...

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

that Cabo trip and, " If losing is the worst thing that happens to me, Ive lived a pretty good life"

That's the first time I began to have doubts about him. You just don't say things like that.

 

[5Stars]

That's the first time I began to have doubts about him. You just don't say things like that.

I guess your life is all peaches and cream, huh? Losing a football game is nothing compared to losing other things in your life that are really meaningful. smh

 

[TwoDeep3]

You were clear. I disagreed. It does matter. I then gave examples. I am allowed to do that in a discussion. Disagree with you and then provide examples. That's how it works. Yes, my example of the guy who won was telling. It was telling you that his undrafted status still was impressive and was still relevant in conversations about him. I haven't looked it up, but I will bet you 5 bucks if you look up his bio on Wikipedia it mentions his undrafted status in the first paragraph. I will further bet you it mentions his time in the Arena League and his time as a grocery stocker. It does matter. I'll bet you if he is elected to the Hall of Fame, it will come up. Winning a Super Bowl and playing in another didn't change a thing about his Draft status, nor should it change a thing for Tony Romo.

Helpful hint, don't take the bets I offered. Even if I miss on the first paragraph prediction I will hit on the other 2 and it will cost you 5 bucks. Then if he goes to the Hall of Fame and it comes up it will cost you 10 bucks. If you take the bets it can potentially cost you 20 bucks. No matter how you do the math it will cost you moolah and that will make you more bitter. Don't take the bets.

The fact remains this is an issue that is emotional for fans like you and that bit of specialness about it has no bearing on what happens on the field. You stated the fans have always been proud of the Cowboy's UDFA, then listed them.

Once they hit the field, where they were selected, if they were selected in the draft matters not. It is an accolade with no merit. It is a bragging right that is hollow.

Because the guy can either get the job done or not.

Do you list out all the UDFA that came to the team and sucked? No.

Hmmmm, why isn't the team hanging their heads in shame for taking a guy no one else wanted and finding out that he stunk on ice? Why are the fans not ashamed of that action?

Because it doesn't matter.

Were you avoiding conversations with fans of other teams because the brain trust in this organization missed on Jimmy Smith?

Of course not. But suddenly a guy hits that was missed by most or all and it's something special.

You're posts are becoming illogical. More so than usual. The emotional content of this badge of honor because they were undrafted is bogus because when the player hits the field the first time, they put a strip of tape on his helmet and his name, and no where do they indicate this guy was not drafted. He gets relatively the same shot as most but 1st round choices. And that is a money thing and not something special.

These bonus point are a distinction you award, and it carries no weight.

So your betting air, while hilarious, indicates you have an emotional tie to this guy as if recognizing a player no one else did gets you something extra.

It is a player on the team. Period.

But to the point you were trying to make in your anchor post, Romo is not held to a higher standard because he was a walk-on. Fact is he probably is seen as an over-achiever, except for one thing.

Jerry Jones makes a circus out of this franchise and Romo bears the brunt every time they fail. Right or wrong that is the way fans see it. They rejoice in the failure of this team more than others because Jerry is always shooting his mouth off about what he expects, and lately that has failed like a dumb kid in school.

If you want to assign this blame for the standard Romo is held to, then blame that Kleenex moment on Jerry and his fan mindset that overides his non-football guy butt.

I prefer wins and I don't give a rat's butt how they get them. I believe parades are for champions and not where the guy came from.

 

[KJJ]

Therefore the odds say that not only should you place more expectations upon a 1st round pick QB, but of those 28, 50% of them are won by the overall #1 pick.

All QB's drafted in the first round enter the league with high expectations due to their draft position but once a QB becomes a starter expectations are placed on them regardless of their draft position or whether they were even drafted. There's a lot of pressure placed on a QB who's drafted high because most are looked at as saviors and the high expectations have caused many of these first round QB's to go bust. Eli was under tremendous scrutiny when he came into the league in 04 being the brother of Peyton and having the Manning pedigree. Refusing to play for San Diego which forced a trade to NY put him under even more scrutiny. The NY media and fans tore him apart his first 3 seasons. QB's entering the league under the radar have had a lot of success because expectations are low which is probably why according to your numbers that 20 SB's were won by QB's drafted in the 3rd round or lower and 1 SB was won by an undrafted QB.

Russell Wilson was a 3rd round draft pick in 2012 and nothing was expected of him entering last season but now after becoming the starter and leading the Seahawks to the playoffs a lot will be expected of him in 2013. He has Seattle thinking SB so we'll see how he handles those expectations. Once a QB becomes a starter and has success more will be expected regardless of their draft position. Once Kaepernick took over for Alex Smith no one in SF cared that Kaepernick was a 2nd round pick taking over for Smith who was the #1 overall pick several years ago. Once Romo took over for Bledsoe and led the Cowboys to the playoffs in 06 making the pro bowl in the process expectations were placed on him the following season especially after signing a big contract. With success and money comes expectations and scrutiny.

After signing a $108 million deal this offseason Romo is going to be under even more scrutiny than ever entering 2013 not just from around the league but from his own fan base many of which wanted him traded after his disappointing performance vs Wash in the season finale. Even though QB's who are drafted in the first round enter the league with high expectations those expectations can be dashed in just a couple of years. The expectations for Blaine Gabbert aren't as high now as they were 2 years ago when he entered the league. It's pretty much 50/50 whether a QB drafted in the first round will become a solid starter. Mark Sanchez entered the league with high expectations being the 5th overall pick but now the only expectations they have of Sanchez in NY is that he will finally end up on the bench in 2013.

 

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[TwoDeep3]

I've always been suspect of people who use video as a response.

But after reading the thoughts here, this may have served you best of all.

It certainly lessens your exposure.

 

[Hostile]

 

[Risen Star]

He's the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys. With that comes excessive credit or blame, depending on the team's fortunes. It comes with the gig. There's no victim here.

 

[Idgit]

He's the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys. With that comes excessive credit or blame, depending on the team's fortunes. It comes with the gig. There's no victim here.

Just because something comes with the gig, it doesn't mean you can't be victimized by it. Lots of gigs include poor treatment.

 

[DFWJC]

Well, what he said is true. If he never wins another game, his life will be just fine because after all, football is just a game.

I imagine that if Romo did not get into football like he did and have the success he has, he would be the same guy doing something else that he loves to do. Maybe a pro golfer...

I seem to think that some fan's lives are unhappy because Romo does not win a SB, yet, if they look around them, they can/should find that there are more important things in life....but, then again, maybe not.

Yeah, that was my point.
What he said was 100% true. He was just naive to say it in public, given the shallow thinking fans out there who think nothing should be more important to an NFL player (even cancer in the family) than a football game. The timing of the comment was not perfect, but he was just being honest.
Luckily not all fans are so dumb.

 

[Califan007]

First, Matt Ryan wasn't the "overall #1 draft pick". He was drafted 3rd.

Second, draft status really plays zero role in the amount of scrutiny Romo should or should not get at this point in his career. Once you've become a starting QB for 7 seasons the only thing that warrants scrutiny is results.

Third, I think (as someone else mentioned) Mark Sanchez has probably been the most scrutinized QB over the past couple of years. Him and Tebow lol...That's not to diminish the amount of scrutiny Romo has received, but yeah, coming from a non-Cowboys fan I'm not sure anyone touches Sanchez in terms of scrutiny lately. That "butt fumble" gif is everywhere like Romo's botched hold gif was back in 2006/2007.

Lastly, every negative or critical comment about Romo can't be chalked up to "He's the QB for the Dallas Cowboys". Nobody outside your fan base gave a rat's patootie about Quincy Carter, Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde when they were behind center for Dallas. When that trio of mediocrity was leading the Cowboys the national media was too busy criticizing Peyton Manning for choking in the playoffs, harping on Eli Manning for having such average regular season stats (yes, there were TONS of media articles about whether or not Eli should be seen as a bust, especially looking at his QB rating), and fighting with Rush Limbaugh over whether or not the media were turning a blind eye to McNabb's flaws due to them wanting a black QB to succeed.

 

[Califan007]

Yeah, that was my point.
What he said was 100% true. He was just naive to say it in public, given the shallow thinking fans out there who think nothing should be more important to an NFL player (even cancer in the family) than a football game. The timing of the comment was not perfect, but he was just being honest.
Luckily not all fans are so dumb.

Does it seem as if Romo has become more effected by losing now than back then?

 

[Hostile]

First, Matt Ryan wasn't the "overall #1 draft pick". He was drafted 3rd.

Second, draft status really plays zero role in the amount of scrutiny Romo should or should not get at this point in his career. Once you've become a starting QB for 7 seasons the only thing that warrants scrutiny is results.

Third, I think (as someone else mentioned) Mark Sanchez has probably been the most scrutinized QB over the past couple of years. Him and Tebow lol...That's not to diminish the amount of scrutiny Romo has received, but yeah, coming from a non-Cowboys fan I'm not sure anyone touches Sanchez in terms of scrutiny lately. That "butt fumble" gif is everywhere like Romo's botched hold gif was back in 2006/2007.

Lastly, every negative or critical comment about Romo can't be chalked up to "He's the QB for the Dallas Cowboys". Nobody outside your fan base gave a rat's patootie about Quincy Carter, Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde when they were behind center for Dallas. When that trio of mediocrity was leading the Cowboys the national media was too busy criticizing Peyton Manning for choking in the playoffs, harping on Eli Manning for having such average regular season stats (yes, there were TONS of media articles about whether or not Eli should be seen as a bust, especially looking at his QB rating), and fighting with Rush Limbaugh over whether or not the media were turning a blind eye to McNabb's flaws due to them wanting a black QB to succeed.

Correct on Matt Ryan. I didn't catch that error until it was too late for me to fix it.

 

[Califan007]

Correct on Matt Ryan. I didn't catch that error until it was too late for me to fix it.

Well, it's not as if your point was diminished by him being #3 lol...I just have pet peeves about trivia like that.

 

[DFWJC]

Does it seem as if Romo has become more effected by losing now than back then?

He has always hated losing. That has not changed.
Those around him says he suffers loses very badly and is ultra competitive.

That statement had nothing to do with how he was feeling about that loss and more to do about his reality check on life in general.
I mean his father (who is extremely close too) had recently been diagnosed with cancer. He was pissed off about the loss and when asked a dumb question lashed out with an obvious answer--that life is far more important than one football game.
Some how, people not thinking a bit deeper about what he was saying showed their colors after that.

To address your question; I think the next time Romo has a team that is actually good enough to do some damage (he has had that one year with the fast fading 2007 team) then I think any loss that ends his season will be especially painful at this stage in his career.
He knows that unlike the Mannings and Flaccos of the world, he has rarely had a team around him (especially defense and oline) good enough to make deep playoff runs--so you have to make good on any opportunity you get.

 

[Risen Star]

Just because something comes with the gig, it doesn't mean you can't be victimized by it. Lots of gigs include poor treatment.

There is no poor treatment. There is no reason to feel sorry for Tony Romo.

 

[Idgit]

There is no poor treatment. There is no reason to feel sorry for Tony Romo.

Ok. But that's a different argument. I think you're closer with your first one, but we can agree that Romo is just going to have to deal with it. Good news is, I think he gets that.

 

[Hostile]

There are currently 33 players in the discussion as starting QBs in the NFL. Perhaps you feel there are 34 if you think that like Philly the Raiders job is wide open.

Of that number...

23 were drafted in the 1st round.
4 in the 2nd round.
3 in the 3rd round.
1 in the 6th.
1 in the 7th.
1 is a UDFA.

Someone explain to me why so many 1st round picks aren't facing the scrutiny the UDFA does without it being that HE is in Dallas, and they aren't. Even if you point out the number of pups in the 1st round who have 3 years or less as starters that isn't going to wash. Romo has been under this scrutiny since the bobbled snap in the 2006 post season, and that was his 1st year starting a single game.

Explain to me why Rivers, Schaub, Cutler, Palmer, and Vick aren't under more scrutiny. Explain to me when Ryan, Stafford, Sanchez, and Bradford are going to arrive at that scrutiny. of that list only Schaub isn't a 1st round pick, and he's a 2nd.

Note that I am not in any way touting Romo here, so you can't see this as an "excuse." I'm merely asking an obvious question. Namely, why QBs who are expected to be franchise caliber guys aren't under the same scrutiny as a guy who was a long shot to even make a team?

Just food for thought.

Bobby Carpenter echoed my thoughts.

"Tony Romo is the only undrafted QB criticized like a No. 1 Pick" (via @FootballFacts)” that's the truth