Starting to worry about O-line

[John813]

Leary could of wanted out, with little chance of re-signing. All he knew up till he signed in Denver, Free was going to stay, therefore the starter at RT, and Collins already had started over him at LG.

IIRC the FO was surprised at Free retiring, so I doubt they were going with Collins at RT before that point.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

I'm starting to believe that Erod and Everson24 are the same person. Sounds like it can be his name.

They write almost identical with the same tone. The names are even similar, coincidence?

Nice try erod everson, the jig is up.

He will probably say erod is short for Eric rodriguez, but it's also probably not true.

 

[erod]

I'm starting to believe that Erod and Everson24 are the same person. Sounds like it can be his name.

They write almost identical with the same tone. The names are even similar, coincidence?

Nice try erod everson, the jig is up.

Wow, you have the detective skills of Mr. Magoo. I've never even heard of that name here, and after 17K posts, you'd think I would.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Wow, you have the detective skills of Mr. Magoo. I've never even heard of that name here, and after 17K posts, you'd think I would.

You're not fooling anyone erod everson

 

[diefree666]

Ok gentlemen.

It's a beautiful day and one preseason game left to evaluate the bottom of the roster and a few others needing some snaps. Looking forward to the Giants and a win. The OL will jell once they decide on the starters which IMO has been done. Cooper will start at LG and Collins will learn his technique although it will take some time.

now why did you have to go and be adult?

us brats were having some fun.

 

[AsthmaField]

Uhhhhh... no comment.

 

[jobberone]

now why did you have to go and be adult?

us brats were having some fun.

It's my yob, mes ami.

 

[LatinMind]

Leary could have been signed for less earlier in the process. He never should have been benched in the starting lineup by an inferior player.

We could have Collins at RT learning the position with four rock solid linemen next to him. Instead, we have two question marks on the line.

What if Martin or Tyron get hurt? Then what? Suddenly, this line is a mess. You don't mess with depth in your best unit, which is the soul of this football team.

What if dak or Elliot get hurt. It’s a violent game and people get hurt. I really don’t know what ur watching. But the raiders for the most part were manhandled in their starting front 7. Sure they got a couple plays but for the most part we’re dominated.

 

[rpntex]

No

The Raiders are a 3-4 base team that plays variations of coverage schemes. Does anybody actually think Mack is a DE in a 3-4 system? Marcus Spears and Igor Olshanksky play defensive end in 3-4 alignments, not guys like Mack or Von Miller. On 3rd-and-long, they put their hand down wide in a 4-man rush, yes. But Mack drops into coverage and plays OLB much of the time. That is not a defensive end.

And superstar veterans go out and bang around a little bit during the preseason, but they are largely just trying to avoid what happened to Edelman, Ware, Meredith, and Hitchens. The preseason needs to be re-thought.

My position isn't that Collins is terrible at right tackle. He's just average at best. He's above average at left guard, which is where I wish they'd leave him. I'd rather have four above average linemen and a weakness at right tackle than three above average linemen and two questions at guard and tackle. Dak is sturdy enough and it's not on his blind side.

No offense, but now you're talking semantics. I don't believe anyone was inferring that Mack's position was literally a DE in the Raiders 3-4. The point was that Mack plays an "edge" position (DE in 4-3, OLB in 3-4). I think you understood that intention, too.

What made you look foolish was jumping off that excuse and latching on to the "Mack wasn't trying" excuse.

FWIW, what you think of Collins at RT is of no concern to me. Like I said in the first post, You can have any opinion you want.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

Wow, you have the detective skills of Mr. Magoo. I've never even heard of that name here, and after 17K posts, you'd think I would.

Love how everyone in this thread who doesn't like what erod has had to say essentially goes to the argument "you just don't understand football."

Apparently if you don't think all Dallas Cowboy players aren't that good then you don't understand football.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

@erod embarrassing himself in this thread? Color me surprised.

Leary was overrated. He played sandwiched between two All Pros. And he got vastly overpaid. You tip your cap to him and accept the 3rd or 4th rounder you get for him.

Collins is going to prove an upgrade at RT. If LG is what we're worried about on the offensive line... What in the world are we complaining about?

All that aside....The line has looked good.

Leary was much better at that LG spot than Lael ever was.

So let me just make sure I understand this.

Leary got vastly overpaid even though he was much better than Lael at LG (lets not act like Lael actually earned that spot) sandwiched between two all pros.

Lael Collins struggled when sandwiched between two all pros.

But Collins is definitely going to prove an upgrade at RT

 

[Screw The Hall]

now why did you have to go and be adult?

us brats were having some fun.

Lol. These offseasons are awfully long. I feel like this board is in mid training camp form, when the team becomes tired of hitting each other, and they are frothing at the mouth to hit people in different jerseys.

 

[erod]

Leary was much better at that LG spot than Lael ever was.

So let me just make sure I understand this.

Leary got vastly overpaid even though he was much better than Lael at LG (lets not act like Lael actually earned that spot) sandwiched between two all pros.

Lael Collins struggled when sandwiched between two all pros.

But Collins is definitely going to prove an upgrade at RT

Yep, you pretty much summed up his point. But I'm the one embarrassing myself apparently. LOL

 

[rpntex]

Leary was much better at that LG spot than Lael ever was.

So let me just make sure I understand this.

Leary got vastly overpaid even though he was much better than Lael at LG (lets not act like Lael actually earned that spot) sandwiched between two all pros.

Lael Collins struggled when sandwiched between two all pros.

But Collins is definitely going to prove an upgrade at RT

I don't believe it was that clear that Leary was *significantly* better than Collins at the LG position. Better, yes But Collins was younger with massive potential. Considering that he was a rookie learning a new position, he wasn't that far behind Leary. Leary had the advantage of experience, and not much more.

That being said, aside from TM, I don't think anyone is making this argument about the playing ability of the two players. The main point everyone keeps bringing up is the money aspect. What Leary was paid, when you consider the amount of resources already committed to the OL, was prohibitive for the Cowboys to match. Now throw in the need to resign Zack Martin. I think it's easy to understand why Dallas was reluctant to commit that kind of money to Leary. All that being said, I don't believe money was Leary's gripe.

The report was that it was as more about starting is it was money for Leary. For all he knew, Collins was going to start at LG because Doug Free was still around at RT. Leary wanted to start, which is why he asked Dallas to trade him last year. When Jerry wouldn't accommodate him, he was gone - money or not.

Has anyone known Free was going to retire, them it's possible that the plan all along would have been to move Collins and give Leary his job back. As it is, it played out differently. In the end RT will be an upgrade over Free, and LG will be still be serviceable.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think the D line is more of a question mark than the O line by a large margin. IF I am going to go through the motions of worrying...I would worry about the D instead.

 

[dallasdave]

I think the D line is more of a question mark than the O line by a large margin. IF I am going to go through the motions of worrying...I would worry about the D instead.

Well said indeed SIR !!!

 

[TheCount]

I think the D line is more of a question mark than the O line by a large margin. IF I am going to go through the motions of worrying...I would worry about the D instead.

Surprisingly, I feel pretty okay about the DL. There are no superstars there, but there are some good players and once we get the suspensions over with, we should have a decent rotation at DE.

The secondary is a complete mystery to me and unlike the DL, there are no reinforcements waiting in the wings. I also haven't seen anyone on the DL show flashes of something like we've seen from guys like Collins, Moore, Taco and even Paea on the DL.

Is Heath a good SS? I have no idea and haven't seen much to suggest he is. Byron looks average. Half the CBs have Ouchies. Etc.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Leary was much better at that LG spot than Lael ever was.

I still think people's claims about La'el to start last season are overrated. He beat out Leary in camp and Zeke was just not a good runner those early games last year. He'll tell you as much. La'el got hurt and then Leary was inserted right around the time Zeke stopped running a million miles into the hole.

Again. Collins wont he job. And say what you want about JG but he does believe in a meritocratic system. It's why Rush has forced himself onto the roster.

So let me just make sure I understand this.

Leary got vastly overpaid even though he was much better than Lael at LG (lets not act like Lael actually earned that spot) sandwiched between two all pros.

Again not true.

Lael Collins struggled when sandwiched between two all pros.

Again, not true. But it should also be noted that Collins was a rookie switching positions while Leary was a Vet at this point having spent years on the squad.

But Collins is definitely going to prove an upgrade at RT

Yes.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

But I'm the one embarrassing myself

Yup

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The main point everyone keeps bringing up is the money aspect.

This was my stance last year and it was my main reason also not wanting Zeke. Money spent at LG and elite money (and draft capital) spent at RB are massive missallocation of resources. We got one decision right. The other decision wrong.