State Of The Dallas Cowboys: The Head Coach

[waving monkey]

Then, unfortunately, neither are our Cowboys.

Boy, a lot of posters on this site remind me of the crowds in Hans Christian Anderson's fable of "The Emperor's New Clothes". Just like those crowds a lot of fans see this magnificent team Jason is building when his construction is just as real as the two weaver's garments. And in these fan's minds you are thought as "unfit for your job or unforgivably stupid" (as the author says) if you don't see this. (SMH)


Monte Sliger

Am just saying Red is here. I do think he'll become a damn good coach but there are certainly better.

 

[BigStar]

Might be some unhappy campers for more reason than one if we don't make the playoffs this season.

As a Garrett fan, I have to admit I would find a big extension amusing.

Which is interesting as well. Why not renew him if he is ready to bare the brunt of another average season with JG (believing they are building towards something, etc.)?

 

[Alexander]

Tom Ryle at his finest. Another great public relationship piece from valley ranch's voluntary PR department that is BTB.

Could not have summed it up better. Pretty much sums up each "article" this person posts over there.

"It is conceivable that Dallas could have a better team this season, and wind up with a worse record."

If that is a takeaway in a season with less than 8 wins and Garrett gets extended, the mental deterioration of Jerry Jones is complete.

While changing coaches like you change underwear is not smart, neither is sticking with spinning your wheels in the mud while also surrounded by a ditch. If he is charmed into thinking that if you just stick it out that gosh darn it eventually there will be some breakthrough, just terrible.

Its as if Parcells was never here.

He said it and it was prophetic.

But who really cares about records, or making the playoffs, or even super bowls anymore. Let's just content ourselves with watching a master builder build this franchise:

"Jason Garrett, after all, is not building a team with a one-year vision. His nature is to build something that is sustainable. After all, what else is he referring to with his constant use of "process"? He still doesn't have a perfect situation, but he has the best one to date in his head coaching career."

It would be an impressive feat if Garrett could negotiate an extension if he fails yet again.

The one saving grace is that would be next to impossible for Jones to sell to a rapidly disgusted fan base.

 

[jobberone]

Same old song. No playoffs fire him and start all over again. If you bothered to look around the league you'd see that isn't the best way to win. Oh, but SF yada. Sucked for years and built the team. There are lessons to be learned from the more successful teams esp Seattle and its use of CBs. But like most things there aren't shortcuts to long term success.

Oh, but you're a Garrett fan. No, I've finally after all his time here begun to think he might work out but I'm still on the fence about him as a HC and his offensive system. I can see some positive things I like. He'd better get the defense straightened out quickly. The excuse of an old team is gone. The excuse of cap hell is about over. The team is drafting better which may or may not be in part due to Garrett but that excuse is fading into the sunset as well. I refuse to believe we will have as many injuries on one side of the ball again so I don't see that as an excuse. We are going to be in the 4-3 again although many didn't play in it last year. So that excuse will be gone after this year and it wasn't much of one anyway IMO. It's your 11 agin their 11.

So again we'll see what this team can do but I strongly suspect unless the team tanks you will see Garrett again.

 

[Idgit]

Which is interesting as well. Why not renew him if he is ready to bare the brunt of another average season with JG and really believes they are building towards something?

Who knows? Maybe Garrett wants a better deal than Jerry wants to give? Maybe Jerry wants to make sure a better coach doesn't shake loose?

 

[big dog cowboy]

The roster is younger, which is no big accomplishment and they have less talent on the team. I don't see where that is doing a good job. Anybody can cut old guys and replace them with a bunch of young late round draft picks .

The team he took over was 1-7 and littered with overpaid underperforming players. Converting that team into the youngest in the league without experiencing a losing season with the defensive injuries we had the last 2 seasons is pretty amazing. I don't care if you draft talent at the beginning or end of the rounds just get it and the Cowboys are.

 

[jobberone]

The roster is younger, which is no big accomplishment and they have less talent on the team. I don't see where that is doing a good job. Anybody can cut old guys and replace them with a bunch of young late round draft picks .

So no Smith, Dez, Fred, Martin, Scandrick, Lee, Murray and maybe Carter??

 

[BigStar]

Who knows? Maybe Garrett wants a better deal than Jerry wants to give? Maybe Jerry wants to make sure a better coach doesn't shake loose?

I'm thinking your second scenario...JG play hardball with JJ?

 

[waving monkey]

So there you have it. Garrett is our coach wither his your cup of football are not.
So we have a basis for a whole year [I think more] of football argueing back and forth.
Perfect.

 

[BigStar]

So there you have it. Garrett is our coach wither his your cup of football are not.
So we have a basis for a whole year [I think more] of football argueing back and forth.
Perfect.

Not at all. If JG wins this season and the team wins, he would get a second contract from JJ. I would prefer to judge how the team does in that playoff game (Minny flashback) but would support staying course unless a Harbaugh type came along. I would rather the team win than Garrett lose.

 

[Idgit]

I'm thinking your second scenario...JG play hardball with JJ?

I mentioned Harbaugh's troubles in SF above. Things like that are reason enough to keep your options open.

I could readily see Garrett thinking he'd done the hard work and that the next 5 years are likely to be easier. It wouldn't take much separation on the numbers to have either or both sides agree to let the season play out and see what happens then. An NFCE win with a younger team and a cleaner cap and things suddenly aren't so gloomy in Dallas.

 

[BigStar]

I mentioned Harbaugh's troubles in SF above. Things like that are reason enough to keep your options open.

I could readily see Garrett thinking he'd done the hard work and that the next 5 years are likely to be easier. It wouldn't take much separation on the numbers to have either or both sides agree to let the season play out and see what happens then. An NFCE win with a younger team and a cleaner cap and things suddenly aren't so gloomy in Dallas.

Well that is the main gripe of us Garrett critics (lack of wins/post season) so if he has a good showing the business of the NFL means he will be back. I still don't see what you see in him but understand that JJ is backed in that decision. If we get another average or even poor season, there is no out for JJ and believe he will cut ties regardless of who is available. Even if he knows us fans are powerless, the media would question his complacency after four years of irrelevance.

 

[jobberone]

Well that is the main gripe of us Garrett critics (lack of wins/post season) so if he has a good showing the business of the NFL means he will be back. I still don't see what you see in him but understand that JJ is backed in that decision. If we get another average or even poor season, there is no out for JJ and believe he will cut ties regardless of who is available. Even if he knows us fans are powerless, the media would question his complacency after four years of irrelevance.

I don't think we should, as Dallas Cowboys' fans, be invested one way or another in Garrett; at least not yet. Some are accepting of this year with him at the helm. I'm ok with this year and then reevaluate. But I doubt there are many willing to give Garrett more than that excepting unusual circumstances. At some point he needs to win and we should be able to see not just wins but the team getting better and harder to beat.

 

[Aven8]

Chip Kelly is obviously not building for the long term like Jason is. What a fool, winning right away like that!

Yep. We're on the 10 year plan.

 

[BigStar]

I don't think we should, as Dallas Cowboys' fans, be invested one way or another in Garrett; at least not yet. Some are accepting of this year with him at the helm. I'm ok with this year and then reevaluate. But I doubt there are many willing to give Garrett more than that excepting unusual circumstances. At some point he needs to win and we should be able to see not just wins but the team getting better and harder to beat.

I agree but am also seeing hints at giving him a pass (better team, worse record nonsense, building towards something only real football men can see) along with some posters stating it as an afterthought that he will be around because of his "plight". The team has never seemed to beat playoff quality teams throughout these 8-8 seasons. We still come up short in tough games and rarely surprise anyone. That shows that the character of the team hasn't strengthened at all but hope that can change this season mainly through confidence via the O (Dez almost TOO much). The team plays scared and needs to stop simply taking what is given to them.

 

[Wolfpack]

Closest comparison would be Kubiac in Houston.

I think he missed the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons, then made the playoffs in year 4, then missed the playoffs in year 5...............then was fired.


I cannot think of any head coach that has missed the playoffs 4 consecutive seasons and kept their job (in modern times), can anybody?

You miss the fact that winning is not a factor in Jason being HC of the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry being able to be Jerry the micro manager and comfortable is much more important than winning as shown by 18+ years. Jason is here for a while unless he really falls down hard, Jerry isn't going to mess this up again unless he really has too.

 

[waving monkey]

I don't know Jason Garrett's future, but I do know Jerry Jones has the final say about it. And I'm sure Jones doesn't have clones of himself making comments on internet boards (he's too vain and makes public comments himself ).

got your reference. clones and looking things over and developing opinions are not synonymous
I think your side believes we agree with everything Jones does and I don't think thats the case.
As in the current topic. I am just saying Garrett is here and I suggest he will be here,possibly long term.
I agree Red would have been fired after last year by the quick fix mentality of today's NFL.

Jerry has gotten off that merry-go round. His letting Red grow into the job. Not many like to watch a young coach get OJT
at the highest prestige position in the NFL but this is the reality. Groaning and angry insults is a free speech right but it doesn't change a damn thing.
Garrett is the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and well might be for sometime.

 

[DallasEast]

got your reference. clones and looking things over and developing opinions are not synonymous
I think your side believes we agree with everything Jones does and I don't think thats the case.
As in the current topic. I am just saying Garrett is here and I suggest he will be here,possibly long term.
I agree Red would have been fired after last year by the quick fix mentality of today's NFL.

Jerry has gotten off that merry-go round. His letting Red grow into the job. Not many like to watch a young coach get OJT
at the highest prestige position in the NFL but this is the reality. Groaning and angry insults is a free speech right but it doesn't change a damn thing.
Garrett is the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and well might be for sometime.

lol. I think you read my clones reference wrong and that's probably my fault. I was being literal--as in genetic copies of Jones himself and not involving other people in the world like you or I. Plus, you are way wrong about the think/agree with everything Jones says. Only fools make such accusations. And idiotic ones at that. I am glad that you and I cannot be labeled as such.

However, I will repeat what I said about Jones having the final say about his head coach. No matter how optimistic or pessimistic observers may be about Garrett's tenure in Dallas, only Jones knows how far he will allow his head coach to control his team. It may end up being an lengthy period. Garrett's remaining time may be short. It may fall somewhere in-between. No one knows except Jones himself. That is a truth which those making guesses or proclamations about Garrett should adopt for themselves.

 

[slomoxn]

Listen man, nobody survives 4 straight years of NO PLAYOFFS. Not Romeo Crennel in Cleveland, not Dick Jauron in Buffalo. Can anybody name me the last head coach who did? Especially when you have a franchise QB.

If only this applied to GM's... Well at least ones that don't own their team

 

[waving monkey]

lol. I think you read my clones reference wrong and that's probably my fault. I was being literal--as in genetic copies of Jones himself and not involving other people in the world like you or I. Plus, you are way wrong about the think/agree with everything Jones says. Only fools make such accusations. And idiotic ones at that. I am glad that you and I cannot be labeled as such.

However, I will repeat what I said about Jones having the final say about his head coach. No matter how optimistic or pessimistic observers may be about Garrett's tenure in Dallas, only Jones knows how far he will allow his head coach to control his team. It may end up being an lengthy period. Garrett's remaining time may be short. It may fall somewhere in-between. No one knows except Jones himself. That is a truth which those making guesses or proclamations about Garrett should adopt for themselves.

Man I did misread you and glad to run into some clear thinking.
Now on the guessing front I think Red will be here and there are indicators.