State Of The Dallas Cowboys: The Head Coach

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I agree but am also seeing hints at giving him a pass (better team, worse record nonsense, building towards something only real football men can see:D) along with some posters stating it as an afterthought that he will be around because of his "plight". The team has never seemed to beat playoff quality teams throughout these 8-8 seasons. We still come up short in tough games and rarely surprise anyone. That shows that the character of the team hasn't strengthened at all but hope that can change this season mainly through confidence via the O (Dez almost TOO much;)). The team plays scared and needs to stop simply taking what is given to them.

Those are all valid points. Depends on how you determine them to be relevant to the team and its development.
 

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Not at all. If JG wins this season and the team wins, he would get a second contract from JJ. I would prefer to judge how the team does in that playoff game (Minny flashback) but would support staying course unless a Harbaugh type came along. I would rather the team win than Garrett lose.

Any cowboy fan would rather win with Garrett than lose
Those with common sense just know there is little chance of that

That is the difference
 

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You miss the fact that winning is not a factor in Jason being HC of the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry being able to be Jerry the micro manager and comfortable is much more important than winning as shown by 18+ years. Jason is here for a while unless he really falls down hard, Jerry isn't going to mess this up again unless he really has too.

This is the key
Winning matters little to Jerry, just that he has his lapdog as HC and can feed his ego however he wants
Jason is a spineless jellyfish who is happy to count his money as he kneels in front of the real HC
 

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So you find the prospect of rewarding mediocrity and status quo 'amusing'?

An interesting position to take.

I don't. I think I've made it pretty clear why I don't think Garrett is a mediocre coach for Dallas.
 

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Man I did misread you and glad to run into some clear thinking.
Now on the guessing front I think Red will be here and there are indicators.
I do agree about the indicators, such as:
  • Drafting upper round offensive linemen
  • Aggressively making assistant coordinator/coaching acquisitions
  • Giving Jason Garrett tenure greater or equal to that provided of Dave Campo, Bill Parcells, and Wade Phillips
To me, the indicators suggest Jerry Jones wants Garrett to succeed by supporting his initially perceived coaching strength as an offensive mind. The offense, Garrett wants to exploit, runs through Tony Romo. Jones has steadily upgraded Romo's protection, which benefits (hopefully) Garrett's offensive ambitions. Additionally, Jones wants to shore up Garrett's head coaching management by supplementing him with quality offensive and defensive coaches. And Jones has demonstrated patience towards head coaching continuity.

Still, I do not attempt to underestimate Jones. In my opinion, the Jones of 2014 is the same Jones that gave Chan Gailey only two years at the helm of his team. He has learned to be more practical in his management of head coaches, but he also wants to win and win big. I think Jones will pull the plug on Garrett if the status quo continues. I say that believing Jones acknowledges poor drafting (sans 2009) and the rash of disruptive injuries has not aided Garrett's path to success. Even so, I think Jones has internal deadline parameters allotted to Garrett, regardless of particular external realities. I do not know what they are or when exactly he would execute them, but I do believe they exist. I could be wrong, but I have studied the man for decades. The one thing I know for certain is never taking anything for granted about him.
 

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Any cowboy fan would rather win with Garrett than lose
Those with common sense just know there is little chance of that

That is the difference

So those whose opinion differs from you and your opinion Garrett can't get the Boys to win makes them have no common sense. That's entirely different than saying I disagree or even I think you're wrong. One is personal and the other civil.

BTW, I think you're wrong.
 

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This is the key
Winning matters little to Jerry, just that he has his lapdog as HC and can feed his ego however he wants
Jason is a spineless jellyfish who is happy to count his money as he kneels in front of the real HC

This is baseless and inflammatory. It's worthy of deletion but I'll leave as an example of a post with absolutely zero contribution to the site.

There are very few who truly believe winning is not important to Jerry. It's his raison d'etre and because of it he has made some very short sided and harmful blunders trying to win now when a more reasonable approach is to steadily and efficiently build the club. It's the reasons for the Galloway and Williams trades.

Does Jerry want to make money? You betcha and every businessman who is successful does it well.

Does Jerry want a spineless jellyfish so he can be owner, GM and coach? Not a chance although Jerry meddles far too much. His biggest problem is his mouth driven by his ego. If someone asks a question he NEVER says you should ask the coach. Parcells banned him from the press AMAP. It killed Jerry. He wants to be a man for all seasons and he should stick with being an owner which he does very well at. He's finally learned how to be a GM but its way overdue and he's good (not great) at it because he's delegating most of it to others. Another is the de facto GM.
 

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I don't. I think I've made it pretty clear why I don't think Garrett is a mediocre coach for Dallas.

Maybe the art of reading comprehension was given up for Lint...too much Ripple at the burn barrels.
 

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This is baseless and inflammatory. It's worthy of deletion but I'll leave as an example of a post with absolutely zero contribution to the site.

There are very few who truly believe winning is not important to Jerry. It's his raison d'etre and because of it he has made some very short sided and harmful blunders trying to win now when a more reasonable approach is to steadily and efficiently build the club. It's the reasons for the Galloway and Williams trades.

Does Jerry want to make money? You betcha and every businessman who is successful does it well.

Does Jerry want a spineless jellyfish so he can be owner, GM and coach? Not a chance although Jerry meddles far too much. His biggest problem is his mouth driven by his ego. If someone asks a question he NEVER says you should ask the coach. Parcells banned him from the press AMAP. It killed Jerry. He wants to be a man for all seasons and he should stick with being an owner which he does very well at. He's finally learned how to be a GM but its way overdue and he's good (not great) at it because he's delegating most of it to others. Another is the de facto GM.

That...but I can much easier put up with Jerry's 'mouth' than some of the misdirected blame hunters who just look for a target for all excuses so they feel better about just being negative. Blame transferal I think it's called.

Jerry came up in the wildcatter's field. That is where one has to stand on his own merits and be completely integrated in all areas of his business...or fail. He had to be keenly involved with the very lives of his drill team, as their lives were on the table for each and every drill.

He would drive a taxi service following games in Arkansas, to make additional money, as well as sell life insurance to make things work while in college. He was extremely motivated and involved in business. He was committed, as he is today. I don't have a problem with that side of the man.
 

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Well, Jerry hasn't exactly been a beacon of hope for quite awhile so I get the frustration, resentment and anger. It's quite understandable and very normal; and well deserved. He's been a putz but he's finally delegated that GM stuff to others and it appears to be working. It's a bit late but still welcome.
 

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Well, Jerry hasn't exactly been a beacon of hope for quite awhile so I get the frustration, resentment and anger. It's quite understandable and very normal; and well deserved. He's been a putz but he's finally delegated that GM stuff to others and it appears to be working. It's a bit late but still welcome.

To me, that's akin to griping about the tools of your Mom, following puberty for not giving you more tools and helping your own decisional process better.

Just like criminal activity, the player has to grab the dragon by the tail and decide for him self to achieve. There are only so many hoo rahs that can be offered from the sidelines.

An aggressive front is much harder to deal with than selective individuals who excel at great levels. One just takes those players out of the equation.

The Cowboys have plenty of players headed towards great play, but the team itself, isn't...and that stems from the leadership on the field. Not the sidelines or ownership...at least to this fan.
 

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Continue the turn around???? LMAO!!! They were an 11-5 team with a playoff win the year before he took over. More like a 3 year swirl around the bowl before it finally goes down the drain.

they were 1-7 on the way to 1-15 when he took over....lets not mix up our facts.....
 

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I don't think it is fair to label Wade as an 'awful' head coach. He's won everywhere he's gone and had a career winning record. He was the last coach to do anything of substance in Buffalo. And you think Jerry Jones is bad, Ralph Wilson was FAR worse of an owner and was a big-time meddler (he was the guy that pushed for Rob Johnson to play over Flutie).

What I find unforgiveable about Wade was that after the 2008 season he stated that his 'nice guy' approach didn't work and he will have to get on guys. They released T.O. and Wade was off to being 'tough' on the players. And it worked. The team went 11-5 and players brought intensity and focus into each game, particularly Mike Jenkins who had a Pro Bowl season. But, Wade couldn't help himself and slacked off in 2010 and lost the team. It's hard to break out of old habits, but when you do and it works the best it has ever worked for you and you're at the best position you have ever been in....only to go back to the old habits makes you a fool.

The main issue with Wade is that he was terrible at developing talent. I still believe that is what mostly being a successful head coach is about. I have issues with Jerry as a GM, but I believe he has gotten his fair share of talent for Wade and Garrett. Wade was poor at developing players because he didn't instill the core values needed to be a great player in the league. And while the NFL is not a very 'rah rah' type of league, it is still a game that requires the coach to motivate the players. Jimmy wasn't very 'rah rah', but he had so many different methods to motivate players (and this coming from an anti-Jimmy fan). So when you can't develop players, you end up where Wade ended up...a 1-7 record on a team that quits on the coach and a dearth of talent that needs to be overhauled.


Garrett is much better at developing talent. But for all of his Ivy League education, I believe the irony here is he's a very dull in-game coach. I also don't think he's much of a motivator outside of he will cut a guy that is not motivated or wait to the end of the season to cut the player. I find his speeches very banal and I'm only amazed how others, particularly in the press, think those speeches are the greatest things ever spoken. I also think he has politicked since he has become a Coordinator. He sure does a great job of passing the blame. In essence, he reminds me of the Executive working for a corporation whose dad was a well respected executive and one would think he should be a great executive given the bloodlines and education...but when he continues to disappoint his best skill appears to be passing the buck and saying the right things that the right people like to hear.

To me, he has to make the playoffs or he should be gone.







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LOL, lets defend our 3 straight season 8-8 coach while Chip Kelly comes in and steals his lunch and eats it in front of him. Okay, if Garrets building, whats Chip doing, because Chip came in and got the playoffs, and the last time we were there we got rid of the coach that took us there. Omg, yes, lets defend mediocrity to its fullest. "NEXT YEARS CHAMPS" guys, come on say it with me.

would chip Kelly have any success in dallas? you have to factor in jerry jones for 2 losses a season on average.
 

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I don't think it is fair to label Wade as an 'awful' head coach. He's won everywhere he's gone and had a career winning record. He was the last coach to do anything of substance in Buffalo. And you think Jerry Jones is bad, Ralph Wilson was FAR worse of an owner and was a big-time meddler (he was the guy that pushed for Rob Johnson to play over Flutie).

What I find unforgiveable about Wade was that after the 2008 season he stated that his 'nice guy' approach didn't work and he will have to get on guys. They released T.O. and Wade was off to being 'tough' on the players. And it worked. The team went 11-5 and players brought intensity and focus into each game, particularly Mike Jenkins who had a Pro Bowl season. But, Wade couldn't help himself and slacked off in 2010 and lost the team. It's hard to break out of old habits, but when you do and it works the best it has ever worked for you and you're at the best position you have ever been in....only to go back to the old habits makes you a fool.

The main issue with Wade is that he was terrible at developing talent. I still believe that is what mostly being a successful head coach is about. I have issues with Jerry as a GM, but I believe he has gotten his fair share of talent for Wade and Garrett. Wade was poor at developing players because he didn't instill the core values needed to be a great player in the league. And while the NFL is not a very 'rah rah' type of league, it is still a game that requires the coach to motivate the players. Jimmy wasn't very 'rah rah', but he had so many different methods to motivate players (and this coming from an anti-Jimmy fan). So when you can't develop players, you end up where Wade ended up...a 1-7 record on a team that quits on the coach and a dearth of talent that needs to be overhauled.


Garrett is much better at developing talent. But for all of his Ivy League education, I believe the irony here is he's a very dull in-game coach. I also don't think he's much of a motivator outside of he will cut a guy that is not motivated or wait to the end of the season to cut the player. I find his speeches very banal and I'm only amazed how others, particularly in the press, think those speeches are the greatest things ever spoken. I also think he has politicked since he has become a Coordinator. He sure does a great job of passing the blame. In essence, he reminds me of the Executive working for a corporation whose dad was a well respected executive and one would think he should be a great executive given the bloodlines and education...but when he continues to disappoint his best skill appears to be passing the buck and saying the right things that the right people like to hear.

To me, he has to make the playoffs or he should be gone.







YR

Good post, I agree but for the reasons others have stated Jerry is comfortable with him so I think it would take something major like a 5 or below win season for him to be fired.
 

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I don't think it is fair to label Wade as an 'awful' head coach. He's won everywhere he's gone and had a career winning record. He was the last coach to do anything of substance in Buffalo. And you think Jerry Jones is bad, Ralph Wilson was FAR worse of an owner and was a big-time meddler (he was the guy that pushed for Rob Johnson to play over Flutie).

What I find unforgiveable about Wade was that after the 2008 season he stated that his 'nice guy' approach didn't work and he will have to get on guys. They released T.O. and Wade was off to being 'tough' on the players. And it worked. The team went 11-5 and players brought intensity and focus into each game, particularly Mike Jenkins who had a Pro Bowl season. But, Wade couldn't help himself and slacked off in 2010 and lost the team. It's hard to break out of old habits, but when you do and it works the best it has ever worked for you and you're at the best position you have ever been in....only to go back to the old habits makes you a fool.

The main issue with Wade is that he was terrible at developing talent. I still believe that is what mostly being a successful head coach is about. I have issues with Jerry as a GM, but I believe he has gotten his fair share of talent for Wade and Garrett. Wade was poor at developing players because he didn't instill the core values needed to be a great player in the league. And while the NFL is not a very 'rah rah' type of league, it is still a game that requires the coach to motivate the players. Jimmy wasn't very 'rah rah', but he had so many different methods to motivate players (and this coming from an anti-Jimmy fan). So when you can't develop players, you end up where Wade ended up...a 1-7 record on a team that quits on the coach and a dearth of talent that needs to be overhauled.


Garrett is much better at developing talent. But for all of his Ivy League education, I believe the irony here is he's a very dull in-game coach. I also don't think he's much of a motivator outside of he will cut a guy that is not motivated or wait to the end of the season to cut the player. I find his speeches very banal and I'm only amazed how others, particularly in the press, think those speeches are the greatest things ever spoken. I also think he has politicked since he has become a Coordinator. He sure does a great job of passing the blame. In essence, he reminds me of the Executive working for a corporation whose dad was a well respected executive and one would think he should be a great executive given the bloodlines and education...but when he continues to disappoint his best skill appears to be passing the buck and saying the right things that the right people like to hear.

To me, he has to make the playoffs or he should be gone.







YR

That was a fair appraisal...and no matter the immediate cause for concerns, it is about time for a Jason Garrett led team to start leaving a mark on opposing players.

Jerry understands and probably relates to mistakes in development. But he doesn't yet, project beyond the procurement and sales portion of the sports side of his business. He has pride, and strives as meticulously as did Murchison, to spend at all costs to have a great and fan friendly product...but the immediate and core slicing values of a Head Coach, are being learned by Jason Garrett in a trial and fire basis.

Jason learned to water the correct and general areas for team development, such as cap managements, goals for youth infusion in need positions, and a draft strategy that is geared towards player development and an elevated skill set from the start. For that, Jason should be applauded, as it also allowed for the offensive line to be fixed and a secondary to be raised from ashes.

But the quality that wasn't in the rear view mirror, was the urgency to win and put a record on the table for observation. Jerry failed his coach in this area. Just as a 'rook' coming into the NFL, a head coach has a similar window of opportunity. To have the keys to a franchise as the Dallas Cowboys, he has to leave a mark in a similar time frame. That is the nature of the NFL, the beast.

This is a critical period, and the emotions of a national frame of reference, had better be shaken by the end of season results. A good team then, won't be revealed by a win or loss at that point, but whether they are in fact a good team.

Sorry, I like Jason and hope he succeeds later on as well, but he's in his window of opportunity as well, just like the 'rooks.'
 

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I don't think it is fair to label Wade as an 'awful' head coach. He's won everywhere he's gone and had a career winning record. He was the last coach to do anything of substance in Buffalo. And you think Jerry Jones is bad, Ralph Wilson was FAR worse of an owner and was a big-time meddler (he was the guy that pushed for Rob Johnson to play over Flutie).

What I find unforgiveable about Wade was that after the 2008 season he stated that his 'nice guy' approach didn't work and he will have to get on guys. They released T.O. and Wade was off to being 'tough' on the players. And it worked. The team went 11-5 and players brought intensity and focus into each game, particularly Mike Jenkins who had a Pro Bowl season. But, Wade couldn't help himself and slacked off in 2010 and lost the team. It's hard to break out of old habits, but when you do and it works the best it has ever worked for you and you're at the best position you have ever been in....only to go back to the old habits makes you a fool.

The main issue with Wade is that he was terrible at developing talent. I still believe that is what mostly being a successful head coach is about. I have issues with Jerry as a GM, but I believe he has gotten his fair share of talent for Wade and Garrett. Wade was poor at developing players because he didn't instill the core values needed to be a great player in the league. And while the NFL is not a very 'rah rah' type of league, it is still a game that requires the coach to motivate the players. Jimmy wasn't very 'rah rah', but he had so many different methods to motivate players (and this coming from an anti-Jimmy fan). So when you can't develop players, you end up where Wade ended up...a 1-7 record on a team that quits on the coach and a dearth of talent that needs to be overhauled.


Garrett is much better at developing talent. But for all of his Ivy League education, I believe the irony here is he's a very dull in-game coach. I also don't think he's much of a motivator outside of he will cut a guy that is not motivated or wait to the end of the season to cut the player. I find his speeches very banal and I'm only amazed how others, particularly in the press, think those speeches are the greatest things ever spoken. I also think he has politicked since he has become a Coordinator. He sure does a great job of passing the blame. In essence, he reminds me of the Executive working for a corporation whose dad was a well respected executive and one would think he should be a great executive given the bloodlines and education...but when he continues to disappoint his best skill appears to be passing the buck and saying the right things that the right people like to hear.

To me, he has to make the playoffs or he should be gone.







YR

Great post! One minor point I'm not quite clear on is that JG is better at developing talent. Who specifically are we talking about here? The 1st RD OL have excelled but kind of expected considering their draft pos., and would include TW but couldn't think of many others. Leary and Harris could qualify too as contributors but not much other young talent? I have liked his first round selections (Dez, Tyron, Fred, even Mo @ the time) but would like some mid round contributors. I could also unfairly not be acknowledging the more natural talents like Dez, Tyron, Fred, and Murray but don't see him being integral to their success (esp Murray).
 
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