Stephen and Jerry Jones

[thunderpimp91]

I'm not here to defend these guys, but I'm not on board with the argument being presented. I mean I'll defend Jerry on him being allowed to mix up who Chris Godwin is during an interview. I've made similar blunders 1000 times.

What I can't defend is the commitment to average. Jerrys latest interview was bad....really bad. He basically said a lot of the quite parts out loud that he wasn't supposed to say. It seems pretty obvious that the best case scenario for the Jones family isn't a championship, it's staying relevant for as long as possible. That is where fans need to be critical of Jerry/Stephen. I get the NFL is a business. I get there are factors that go into running an football team that fans dont even consider, but any owner whos top priority isn't winning a championship shouldn't be defended.

My issues with Jerry revolve more around him not being embarrassed because of how beautiful the stadium is. The guy gets a lot right, but misses on what the top goal actually is.

 

[G2]

I'm fine with there never being a thread or conversation about either.
I'm tired of the attention numbnut "journalists" feed on. I'm tired of their dairy ego appearances daily on local media and nothing will change if people keep giving them attention.

 

[RS12]

Obviously you don't appreciate the Jones family long term plan. That being a full participation trophy case while climbing the Forbes ranking.

 

[Ken]

Ken, off topic but thank you for liking that old post from me.

It let me go back to and see the 100% correct Hurts/Dak point I made before the season.

You were right about that and about The Eagles Wrs...nicely done.

I was right about Hurts....way more impressive considering EVERYONE was saying what you were and no one was saying what I was.

You were massively wrong about Amari having a better season than Ceedee though lol

 

[thunderpimp91]

As we should be. The issue extending Zeke wasn't the problem. The problem came drafting him with the 4th overall pick. The minute they did that they had to re-sign him. It would be stupid not to. And while people can knock Zeke and Dak's deals....at the end of the day their deals are not why the Cowboys are cheap.

As a matter of fact Lawrence, Collins, Jaylin and Cooper's deals were far more criminal.

Not sure I agree with that part. I can miss on draft picks all day, it doesnt mean that I have to resign them because I drafted them. Granted I don't classify Zeke as a bust, he just had a short shelf life, but by no means were the Cowboys forced into a situation where they had to do anything with resigning Zeke, and in hindsight they would have been better off letting him continue to hold out. And for the record I'm a Zeke fan, just no reason to expect my chicken to keep laying eggs after it dies just because I paid a high price for it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not sure I agree with that part. I can miss on draft picks all day, it doesnt mean that I have to resign them because I drafted them. Granted I don't classify Zeke as a bust, he just had a short shelf life, but by no means were the Cowboys forced into a situation where they had to do anything with resigning Zeke, and in hindsight they would have been better off letting him continue to hold out. And for the record I'm a Zeke fan, just no reason to expect my chicken to keep laying eggs after it dies just because I paid a high price for it.

That's just my approach to team building. Not saying its right or wrong.

But I want to get the most out of my 4th overall pick. And when Zeke signed that deal we felt we had a window at a championship and he was a solid player.

I feel they go hand in hand. If you take a back with the 4th overall pick you re-sign him if he's solid. Or you trade him for compensation. The minute you commit to drafting a RB in the top 5 you better bring them back. And for the record if I felt Zeke was a "missed" draft pick I wouldn't re-sign him but he wasn't.

And explain how it would've been better to let him walk? You were a playoff team and he was your best player.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You were right about that and about The Eagles Wrs...nicely done.

I was right about Hurts....way more impressive considering EVERYONE was saying what you were and no one was saying what I was.

You were massively wrong about Amari having a better season than Ceedee though lol

Oh he said Amari could be better than Cee Dee lamb. Another genius evaluation by our resident NFL scout lol.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You were right about that and about The Eagles Wrs...nicely done.

I was right about Hurts....way more impressive considering EVERYONE was saying what you were and no one was saying what I was.

You were massively wrong about Amari having a better season than Ceedee though lol

I wouldn't say massively.

It's not like Cooper had a bad season or anything.

 

[phildadon86]

Waaaaaaah.

Best way to describe this over reactionary post. We are really getting on them for misspeaking live on air?

Lordy.

They can be criticized for a lot, but this is small potatoes.

Oh. Here we go. @WillieBeamen LOL. Told ya.

Misspeaking?

Interesting. I am sorry. When you are the face of a 7 billion dollar sports franchise. Misspeaking isnt allowed. I forgot. We hold these 2 clowns to the same standards we hold our kids.

And then wonder why we accomplish nothing.

Fact of the matter is. If you are in charge of PERSONNEL (you know. The guys on your team you pay) You should proabbly know their names. Especially when one of them is the reason you won the biggest game of the regular season in TY Hilton.

Not knowing your oppositions best weapon plays offense when you "live and breathe football" like you said in another thread is embarrassing.

 

[khiladi]

Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett had no idea Jerry was selecting Frederick, even though Romo lobbied for him and Rod Marinelli said the defensive player Sharif Loyd ? (can’t remember his name off the top of my head) they originally had on the board wasn’t suited for them, and Jones and Garrett were confused.

 

[Ken]

I wouldn't say massively.

It's not like Cooper had a bad season or anything.

Ceedee had a historic season. One of 3 cowboys to EVER have over 100 catches.


EVER. lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not here to defend these guys, but I'm not on board with the argument being presented. I mean I'll defend Jerry on him being allowed to mix up who Chris Godwin is during an interview. I've made similar blunders 1000 times.

What I can't defend is the commitment to average. Jerrys latest interview was bad....really bad. He basically said a lot of the quite parts out loud that he wasn't supposed to say. It seems pretty obvious that the best case scenario for the Jones family isn't a championship, it's staying relevant for as long as possible. That is where fans need to be critical of Jerry/Stephen. I get the NFL is a business. I get there are factors that go into running an football team that fans dont even consider, but any owner whos top priority isn't winning a championship shouldn't be defended.

My issues with Jerry revolve more around him not being embarrassed because of how beautiful the stadium is. The guy gets a lot right, but misses on what the top goal actually is.

I've had this argument with a few friends about Jerry wanting to win. They want to win a championship. But their way. So at the same time you could question if they REALLY want to win if they aren't willing to win the proven way to win a championship.

And I don't knock these guys for little slip ups. That happens. I think its silly to judge Jerry based on him screwing up who Godwin is. Now that type of stuff i'll come to his defense on because we all do that.

My issue with him is how he chooses to run this team. He runs this team like the oil business and its not. Its a NFL team. A sports franchise. Owning the team and letting McClay or whoever run the team should've been done. Someone. Anyone. And stay out of it. You don't hire coaches for your head coach. You don't override first round picks. A Owner and GM should not be the same person because they should have different goals. The owner should be trying to be profitable and the GM should be trying to be successful. Those lines are blurred.

 

[khiladi]

They drafted Zeke for Romo and the best OL on football,, not Dak after Murray left and were playing the Sb window. They basically wasted that window with the mental midget at QB.

 

[phildadon86]

I've had this argument with a few friends about Jerry wanting to win. They want to win a championship. But their way. So at the same time you could question if they REALLY want to win if they aren't willing to win the proven way to win a championship.

And I don't knock these guys for little slip ups. That happens. I think its silly to judge Jerry based on him screwing up who Godwin is. Now that type of stuff i'll come to his defense on because we all do that.

My issue with him is how he chooses to run this team. He runs this team like the oil business and its not. Its a NFL team. A sports franchise. Owning the team and letting McClay or whoever run the team should've been done. Someone. Anyone. And stay out of it. You don't hire coaches for your head coach. You don't override first round picks. A Owner and GM should not be the same person because they should have different goals. The owner should be trying to be profitable and the GM should be trying to be successful. Those lines are blurred.

Well you should. Because he looks down on all of us fans and pretends he is a football guy. If you are going to act the part. You damn sure better be able to at least pretend to be the part.

I really wish I could post the First Take episode of Jerry making the "money" gesture to the fans. That is how him and his family look at all of us. Like walking, talking bank machines. He did it on live TV. Of the show that does nothing but criticize his team.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They drafted Zeke for Romo, not Dak after Murray left and were playing the Sb window. They basically wasted that window.

They drafted Zeke to help Romo and keep the defense off the field. Instead of just drafting a defensive player.....Romo's window was short with his back problems. It was moronic to even draft that high to cater to Romo. The guy body was broken down even at that point. But that's the GM/Owner not knowing when to move on.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

People Still giving Jerry credit for those 3 SB wins in the 1990's and therefore he is above criticism. lol

He just owned the team, all Jimmy need any examples, see exhibit last 28 years. Then look at what real football men do see exhibit the egirls and Pats who had no SB wins when we won number 5.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well you should. Because he looks down on all of us fans and pretends he is a football guy. If you are going to act the part. You damn sure better be able to at least pretend to be the part.

I really wish I could post the First Take episode of Jerry making the "money" gesture to the fans. That is how him and his family look at all of us. Like walking, talking bank machines. He did it on live TV. Of the show that does nothing but criticize his team.

Naw I will judge Jerry based on his decisions. A slip up is going to happen. I've seen literally every poster on this site do it.

And I think you give him too much credit. He doesn't "act" the part. Let's be honest on Jerry....ugh now it sounds like i'm defending him which i'm not let's be real on him.....his issues stem from him as a owner and not hiring a GM. At the end of the day he's not scouting talent. He trusts McClay and his scouts and he makes a decision base don the information they give him. I never saw him as a "football" guy and had no clue he was pretending to be one.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He just owned the team, all Jimmy need any examples, see exhibit last 28 years. Then look at what real football men do see exhibit the egirls and Pats who had no SB wins when we won number 5.

Well let's also be honest there. Jimmy and Jerry have won NOTHING since leaving each other(I know the Barry SB). They both worked well together and there's no SB if Jerry doesn't buy the team and hire Jimmy. He deserves credit for that.

Which is why its annoying to hear people sayin Jerry wants to win one on his "own". He's won one on his own he literally was the reason why we won 3 rings but I guess Jerry doesn't see it that way which sucks for us.

 

[thunderpimp91]

That's just my approach to team building. Not saying its right or wrong.

But I want to get the most out of my 4th overall pick. And when Zeke signed that deal we felt we had a window at a championship and he was a solid player.

I feel they go hand in hand. If you take a back with the 4th overall pick you re-sign him if he's solid. Or you trade him for compensation. The minute you commit to drafting a RB in the top 5 you better bring them back. And for the record if I felt Zeke was a "missed" draft pick I wouldn't re-sign him but he wasn't.

And explain how it would've been better to let him walk? You were a playoff team and he was your best player.

To be fair I said in hindsight, at the time it was a highly debated topic and not an easy call at all. Looking back though that was a .500 team in 2019 and the last season Zeke was really a difference maker for the offense. Since then hes been very inconsistent and showing that his body is beat up and can't handle a full seasons workload. I think he still carries some value, but hasn't been capable as an every down back which you have to be to justify the money paid to an RB. If Jerry could go back in time and redo that decision I'm sure he would have.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Oh. Here we go. @WillieBeamen LOL. Told ya.

Misspeaking?

Interesting. I am sorry. When you are the face of a 7 billion dollar sports franchise. Misspeaking isnt allowed. I forgot. We hold these 2 clowns to the same standards we hold our kids.

And then wonder why we accomplish nothing.

Fact of the matter is. If you are in charge of PERSONNEL (you know. The guys on your team you pay) You should proabbly know their names. Especially when one of them is the reason you won the biggest game of the regular season in TY Hilton.

Not knowing your oppositions best weapon plays offense when you "live and breathe football" like you said in another thread is embarrassing.

So the guy can't misspeak? So he can't be human? Misspeaking isn't proof of incompetence though.