Stephen Gilmore pick

[Zman5]

Right. It was incidental. If Gallup doesn't turn his head into Gilmore at the start of the route, the facemask probably doesn't get in the way. This is why you haven't acknowledged that Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push as a lie to hold on to this last thread of hope you have something. But the video shows it. Real speed, slow speed, doesn't matter. Keep ignoring it all you want but it doesn't change reality. You should try it sometime so you aren't made to look like a lying fool as you do here. Parents always say, "If you tell the truth from the start ... "

Complete BS as usual. Incidental? LOL. Funny how you don't want to post my slomo version of the video since it shows you are full of crap.
Many posters here know you are a joke when it comes to objectively discussing ref's decisions. And once again, you didn't disappoint.

 

[MarcusRock]

Complete BS as usual. Incidental? LOL. Funny how you don't want to post my slomo version of the video since it shows you are full of crap.
Many posters here know you are a joke when it comes to objectively discussing ref's decisions. And once again, you didn't disappoint.

You conceal part of the rules that kill your argument, post deceptive still pictures before being called out and THEN produced video, try to misrepresent my argument, and I'M the one who's not objective?

Here's YOUR video that proves my previous point you continue to ignore that Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push. Like I said. Real speed, slow speed. Doesn't change reality. You seeing this or will you continue to ignore it? Happy now?

 

[Zman5]

You conceal part of the rules that kill your argument, post deceptive still pictures before being called out and THEN produced video, try to misrepresent my argument, and I'M the one who's not objective?

Here's YOUR video that proves my previous point you continue to ignore that Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push. Like I said. Real speed, slow speed. Doesn't change reality. You seeing this or will you continue to ignore it? Happy now?

Nice try trying to trick people again. That's not the full video. The full video clearly shows MG's head moving to his right, away from Gilmore then being yanked back by Gilmore.
MG's head was pointing straight right before it got yanked back by Gillmore pushing down on MG's facemask.

MG is trying to push away with his left arm from Gilmore when he sees Gilmore trying to initiate contact. You can see that in the video. Yet you keep insisting MG try to initiate contact first. That is beyond ridiculous.

You can keep lying about what is shown on the video, but it won't change what really happenend.

 

[MarcusRock]

Nice try trying to trick people again. That's not the full video. The full video clearly shows MG's head moving to his right, away from Gilmore then being yanked back by Gilmore.
MG's head was pointing straight right before it got yanked back by Gillmore pushing down on MG's facemask.

You can keep lying about what is shown on the video, but it won't change what really happenend.

You keep ignoring my point because it destroys your premise so I'm going to keep showing it to you until you acknowledge it. I've answered all your questions but yet you keep skipping over this one of mine. Why is that?

Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push. Am I right?

 

[Zman5]

You keep ignoring my point because it destroys your premise so I'm going to keep showing it to you until you acknowledge it. I've answered all your questions but yet you keep skipping over this one of mine. Why is that?

Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push. Am I right?

You are wrong. MG is running his route. It's Gilmore who is running toward MG to make contact. MG isn't turning toward Gilmore. Why would he? He is trying to get separation from the defender. The last thing he would want to do it to get closer to the defender. MG is running in a straight line, but you can see Gilmore running toward MG and put his hand on MG's facemask. MG is pushing away with his left arm from Gilmore once Gilmore initiates contact first to get away from Gilmore. Watch the direction of the players legs/feet and where they are headed to, and you can clearly see what is going on. Yet you keep insisting MG was the one trying to initiate contact by running toward him.

 

[shabazz]

You keep ignoring my point because it destroys your premise so I'm going to keep showing it to you until you acknowledge it. I've answered all your questions but yet you keep skipping over this one of mine. Why is that?

Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push. Am I right?

why can’t you get along with anybody?

 

[MarcusRock]

MG isn't turning toward Gilmore.

His head and torso are, which is enough to get the facemask in the way. Not head straight as you lied about in posting your still picture. Here's your video again. See? So Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push. Am I right?

 

[MarcusRock]

why can’t you get along with anybody?

I get along fine with folks who can debate points without concealing, lying, and trying to misrepresent others' points. If ya gotta do all that, you don't have an argument and I like to let them know that.

 

[Zman5]

His head and torso are, which is enough to get the facemask in the way. Not head straight as you lied about in posting your still picture. Here's your video again. See? So Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push. Am I right?

The fact that only his torso and head is turning toward Gilmore, common sense should tell you it was a reactionary move to what Gilmore was doing first.
The video clearly shows Gilmore running toward MG from the side and raising his arms toward MG's facemask first yet you claim it was MG initiating contact with Gilmore.

You are a liar and biggest BSer when it comes to talking about the refs.

 

[MarcusRock]

The fact that only his torso and head is turning toward Gilmore

Finally you admit it!!! After more than 10 times denying or evading, you admit it. Jeez, was that so hard? The heck is wrong with you people?

Now can you tell us why you kept lying in saying that Gallup's head was straight and posted a deceptive photo taken 6 frames later than needed to falsely pass off as fact? Or why even in your post just above you continue to lie about what I've said in my arguments to obscure the fact you have none? I just want to understand what makes one do this?

 

[StylisticS]

Dak shouldn’t have thrown any balls in Gilmore’s direction. IIRC they had a corner out that game. Why mess around throwing against an all-pro

The right answer. He got away with just a couple plays earlier.

 

[Zman5]

Finally you admit it!!! After more than 10 times denying or evading, you admit it. Jeez, was that so hard? The heck is wrong with you people?

Now can you tell us why you kept lying in saying that Gallup's head was straight and posted a deceptive photo taken 6 frames later than needed to falsely pass off as fact? Or why even in your post just above you continue to lie about what I've said in my arguments to obscure the fact you have none? I just want to understand what makes one do this?

Finally? Do you have reading comprehension problem? I've already said many times he turned to push away from Gilmore once Gilmore initiated contact.
And the video clearly shows that MG's head was straight right before Gilmore put his hand on MG's facemask to push it down.
You've been exposed and now you are trying to lie and deflect by pointing out things that has no relevance on the foul committed by Gilmore by using only half the video.

Try again liar.

 

[nate dizzle]

The mental gymnastics in these threads to absolve the qb of any responsibility on any int should be an Olympic event. You guys would clean up on medals.

Dak has yet to throw an int that was his fault in 6 years. It's an impressive stat.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

The mental gymnastics in these threads to absolve the qb of any responsibility on any int should be an Olympic event. You guys would clean up on medals.

Dak has yet to throw an int that was his fault in 6 years. It's an impressive stat.

On the flip side, the way people blame every INT on Dak is equally impressive.


Every single INT isn't his fault.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Yall wanted Dak to throw with anticipation that the WR will be at his spot on time. In order for that to work, the WR actually has to be there... ON TIME. We now know what happens when the WR doesnt.

Gotta take the good with the bad sometimes.

 

[MarcusRock]

Finally? Do you have reading comprehension problem? I've already said many times he turned to push away from Gilmore once Gilmore initiated contact.
And the video clearly shows that MG's head was straight right before Gilmore put his hand on MG's facemask to push it down.
You've been exposed and now you are trying to lie and deflect by pointing out things that has no relevance on the foul committed by Gilmore by using only half the video.

Try again liar.

Sure buddy. Sure. It's your still photo shenanigans that got exposed. Don't project. Own it. You learned to use video after that though so that's progress. Glad I could help you realize that weak arguments will be blasted via rules and actual legitimate evidence. You'll never make that mistake again I'm sure.

 

[nate dizzle]

On the flip side, the way people blame every INT on Dak is equally impressive.


Every single INT isn't his fault.

Obviously. Most ints are a result of a combination of factors, like this one to Gallup, but sometimes, the qb just makes a terrible throw. For instance, the throw that was way behind Lamb that wasn't picked but should have been. There was no pressure, no reason for that other than just a bad pass. However, if that had been picked, we'd be seeing thread after thread complete with charts, graphs, wind speed etc to prove it was definitely someone else's fault.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Obviously. Most ints are a result of a combination of factors, like this one to Gallup, but sometimes, the qb just makes a terrible throw. For instance, the throw that was way behind Lamb that wasn't picked but should have been. There was no pressure, no reason for that other than just a bad pass. However, if that had been picked, we'd be seeing thread after thread complete with charts, graphs, wind speed etc to prove it was definitely someone else's fault.

Sounds like some mental gymnastics your own.

 

[Zman5]

Sure buddy. Sure. It's your still photo shenanigans that got exposed. Don't project. Own it. You learned to use video after that though so that's progress. Glad I could help you realize that weak arguments will be blasted via rules and actual legitimate evidence. You'll never make that mistake again I'm sure.

Keep back pedaling. You got exposed and now you are coming up with ridiculous excuses. What are you going to come up with next? MG's toes were on a 23-degree angle, so it wasn't a foul? Or Gilmore's gloves were cleaner than MG's glove, so it wasn't a foul? LOL

 

[nate dizzle]

Sounds like some mental gymnastics your own.

Maybe, but I'm confident I stuck the landing.