Stephen Gilmore pick

[mardwin]

Lool, smh.

There has literally never been an interception that was Dak’s fault.

…or so I’m told.

The high miss on the previous throw was also the receiver's fault for not being tall enough.

 

[MarcusRock]

So this is incidental contact? Only a clown with an agenda would think that.

He is pushing and the hands get in the facemask because Gallup is facing him when he attempts to jam, not with his head straight as you tried to deceive with your picture. Incidental. Gallup turns towards him once to push and turns towards him again to push even harder. Are you disputing that or still stick to your BS that Gallup's head was straight ?

So while we have this video, is Gallup facing towards Gilmore when Gilmore's hand gets on his facemask or is Gallup's head straight ahead like you said previously?

And fourth time asking, are the two video examples shown here below equal facemask incidents now that you have slow motion on both (shown below)?

 

[Zman5]

He is pushing and the hands get in the facemask because Gallup is facing him when he attempts to jam, not with his head straight as you tried to deceive with your picture. Incidental. Gallup turns towards him once to push and turns towards him again to push even harder. Are you disputing that or still stick to your BS that Gallup's head was straight ?

So while we have this video, is Gallup facing towards Gilmore when Gilmore's hand gets on his facemask or is Gallup's head straight ahead like you said previously?

And fourth time asking, are the two video examples shown here below equal facemask incidents now that you have slow motion on both (shown below)?

They are equal as far as being illegal hands to the face/facemask rule is concerned. And it's illegal to jam a receiver by putting your hand on their facemask so what is your point?

And as my slowdown version of MG's video shows, Gillmore's hand in the facemask causes MG's head to be pushed down toward the ground.
MG is trying to push away from Gillmore but the force from Gillmore cause MG's head to be jerked toward Gillmore and the ground. Your assumption that it was MG causing his head to turn downward is wrong.

Do you still think it's only foul when all the fingers are closed? This is fourth time I'm asking. Why aren't you answering this question?

 

[MarcusRock]

They are equal as far as being illegal hands to the face/facemask rule is concerned. And it's illegal to jam a receiver by putting your hand on their facemask so what is your point?

And as my slowdown version of MG's video shows, Gillmore's hand in the facemask causes MG's head to be pushed down toward the ground.
MG is trying to push away from Gillmore but the force from Gillmore cause MG's head to be jerked toward Gillmore and the ground. Your assumption that it was MG causing his head to turn downward is wrong.

Do you still think it's only foul when all the fingers are closed? This is fourth time I'm asking. Why aren't you answering this question?

Hahaha. Still not going to fess up, eh? Why'd you post a picture saying Gallup's head was straight and now can't answer a question with video you post showing Gallup's head turned toward Gilmore before any contact took place?

I answered your fingers question. YOUR pictures showed Gilmore didn't have any fingers closed, did they not? Which makes my case he was pushing the whole time, which he was.

So back to my question now, was Gallup facing Gilmore before Gilmore pushed him? If so, why'd you lie by posting a picture frame that was later in the video?

 

[Zman5]

Hahaha. Still not going to fess up, eh? Why'd you post a picture saying Gallup's head was straight and now can't answer a question with video you post showing Gallup's head turned toward Gilmore before any contact took place?

I answered your fingers question. YOUR pictures showed Gilmore didn't have any fingers closed, did they not? Which makes my case he was pushing the whole time, which he was.

So back to my question now, was Gallup facing Gilmore before Gilmore pushed him? If so, why'd you lie by posting a picture frame that was later in the video?

His head was straight before getting push down by Gilmore. Go look at the slow down video I posted. Are you blind?
And Gallup is pushing off from Gilmore yet his head is getting turned toward Gilmore. Why do you think that is? Common sense will tell you that Gillmore's fingers in the facemask is what is causing that and the video clearly shows it.

And why are you not answering my question clearly? Are you saying that you are allowed to touch the facemask and push down on it as long as not all the fingers are closed? YES or NO. This is fifth time I'm asking yet you keep either ignoring it or dancing around it.

 

[MarcusRock]

His head was straight before getting push down by Gilmore. Go look at the slow down video I posted. Are you blind?
And Gallup is pushing off from Gilmore yet his head is getting turned toward Gilmore. Why do you think that is? Common sense will tell you that Gillmore's fingers in the facemask is what is causing that and the video clearly shows it.

And why are you not answering my question clearly? Are you saying that you are allowed to touch the facemask and push down on it as long as not all the fingers are closed? YES or NO. This is fifth time I'm asking yet you keep either ignoring it or dancing around it.

Hahaha, still avoiding. Not the question I asked. I asked was Gallup facing towards Gilmore right before Gilmore made contact with his left hand? Since you like still shots, here's the one I froze in the GIF. Yes or no?

I answered your leading question already. You said he grabbed the facemask, your own deceptive pictures showed his fingers not grabbing anything. Then you morph to, "oh a few of his fingers were pulling down." Gilmore didn't pull anything. He was pushing Gallup off his route the whole way and his hand got in the facemask which he removed in half a second. No facemask per the rule because he removed immediately. No illegal contact per the rule because it wasn't forcible. Gallup's head motion was his own doing in jabbing back twice, the first of which you're avoiding because you lied about his head being straight when I proved it wasn't (see the pic above).

So, you gonna answer my question?

 

[Zman5]

Hahaha, still avoiding. Not the question I asked. I asked was Gallup facing towards Gilmore right before Gilmore made contact with his left hand? Since you like still shots, here's the one I froze in the GIF. Yes or no?

I answered your leading question already. You said he grabbed the facemask, your own deceptive pictures showed his fingers not grabbing anything. Then you morph to, "oh a few of his fingers were pulling down." Gilmore didn't pull anything. He was pushing Gallup off his route the whole way and his hand got in the facemask which he removed in half a second. No facemask per the rule because he removed immediately. No illegal contact per the rule because it wasn't forcible. Gallup's head motion was his own doing in jabbing back twice, the first of which you're avoiding because you lied about his head being straight when I proved it wasn't (see the pic above).

So, you gonna answer my question?

I answered your question about MG. You just decided not to accept the answer because the video proves what I said was true.

And you are full of crap as usual. Gilmore had his hand on MG's facemask as long as the example from the NFL rules video. And for you to say the contact wasn't forcible when Gilmore's contact causes MG's head to get twisted is laughable.

And the notion that it's not a foul because Gilmore didn't have all of his fingers closed on the facemask is one of the dumbest things you posted about NFL rules. And that's saying a lot considering your post history on the subject.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I really am not a Collinswoth fan but the man ran a few routes went to a Bengal SB I’ll defer to him on this one . “ the receiver has to fight his way through that “ ….and depending on the refs to “ throw flags “. Ummm no .

Collinsworth was one of the first NFL players i liked as a kid. it mainly had to do with the Bengals uniforms and their passing offense with Ken Anderson at QB.

 

[MarcusRock]

I answered your question about MG. You just decided not to accept the answer because the video proves what I said was true.

And you are full of crap as usual. Gilmore had his hand on MG's facemask as long as the example from the NFL rules video. And for you to say the contact wasn't forcible when Gilmore's contact causes MG's head to get twisted is laughable.

And the notion that it's not a foul because Gilmore didn't have all of his fingers closed on the facemask is one of the dumbest things you posted about NFL rules. And that's saying a lot considering your post history on the subject.

You didn't answer my question. You're avoiding it by going on some different tangent. It was yes or no. I asked was Gallup facing towards Gilmore right before Gilmore made contact with his left hand? Yes or no?

You're evading because you know you got busted trying to lie about Gallup's had being straight upon contact. It wasn't. Evident by my video AND the one you produced. Even when you first replied to me you tried to be deceptive, quoting the facemask rule but leaving out the note that if you remove your hand immediately even if you've grasped it, which Gilmore didn't even do, it's not a foul. I showed it was half a second. That's why you whined that you wanted slow motion so you can say, "See, it was an eternity. He didn't let go immediately." Half a second is what I counted, and that was with NBC's slowed down replay video. This play and the Saints example of the egregious facemask pull and control aren't even close to the same thing which is why this one's not a foul. And now you're trying to lie about what my argument actually is to make it easier to attack. Strawman, to the layperson.

Why try to be deceptive in presenting evidence TWICE plus going full strawman if you have a valid argument? It's because you don't have one. Unfortunately for you, I can sniff out these lightweight garbage attempts from miles away.

 

[blueblood70]

If you notice, I have steered clear of the discussion regarding went on at the catch point. I could have seen it getting called or not called. I felt the defender established & maintained excellent position. I would say the same if it were our defender.

As to "timing pass", that is generally reserved for the QB hitting his designed drop steps and firing the ball. In this case, I believe Dak was actually drifting to his left and waiting \ watching the play develop.

The replay that I saw (I believe during the broadcast) from downfield allowed you to see Gallup, Gillmore & Dak. Most definitive as to what occurred when. I believe Dak was still holding the ball as the contact was occurring. He could clearly see that Gillmore was outside Gallup and in great position. Therefore, I can only conclude it was a poor decision to throw the ball in that area regardless of what else was happening. To me, that should be the least subjective question about the play. If you know the defender is where you hoped your receiver would be, that should be an instant move on decision, right?

dont care,

we can assume all day , if Gallups Not contacted he doesn't fall and keeps his position and gets to the spot.. sorry, thats how i see it not that it matters much in blowout win and the fact we led from the 2nd qtr to the final whistle,

also tired of every singe THROW and mistake is under a microscope... when i have seen many great qbs Throw far more Interceptions.. players like Farve and PManning come to mind, ARE known for high risk throws, heck Aikman's td-iNT ratio us pretty sad for HOF player.. like 165-145 i mean 145 INTs for career is nothing to brag about when you aren't getting the tds to offset it..

Daks one the the most criticized qbs ive ever seen by our own Fanbase and dint think it was possible after Romo..

sad day when each throw is broken down as if other qbs don't make mistakes..UMM Stafford led the league in INTs last year with 17 yet won a SB..doubt fans after each game took every incompletion, int and yes here our fans judge if pass was too high or low AFTER a Fracking WIN!

Facts, if our Defense doesn't blow a 14 point 4th qtr lead in GB Daks what 6-0 since his return his qb rating and qbr are high and not one game did his INT actually lose a game.

Our offense since his return went from bottom 10 to top 5 , its insane to have these discussions every game .. sad really

so ill take wherever opportunity i can to infuse some logic, and in this case and say if not for the illegal contact , Gallup get to the a spot and the balls not INT, completion, not sure but he was interfered with regardless of your assessment,

ive seen so many of similar pays where on deep ball or other types of passes where the balls thrown short, wr tries to get to the ball through he DB and the DB is called for a PI.. this is many eyes was illegal contact or a PI , thats fact Gallup fell was knocked off the route and regardless of your assessment, Dak knew where the ball was going and let it go, doesn't know Gallup was going to fall.. many qbs make throws like that daily..

shizzle happens move on .. 5-1 was a blown 5th qtr away from 6-0 since his return, remember all the Rush hype at 4-0 LMAO that lowly output of an offense was excused because they were wins..said this place that was great, yes Rush 2 INts in Washington called back over what oh right penalties , 2 fumbles nearly lost in the rams game at 106 yard output , all excused, 3 iNts in eagles game excuses made..goal posts moved for Dak having our offense actually playing at a super high level now. the threat of Dak back there has even open the run game even farther..

so what the problem here? our fans breaking down every snap every throw LMAO....i mean saddest post was old marcus wanting Schultz play to be called a fumble. this place has lost its mind! its as if they wanted Dak to fail and this team to fold so that can say i told you so,

 

[McKDaddy]

so what the problem here? our fans breaking down every snap every throw LMAO

This thread was started to discuss one specific play. Exactly what sports are all about. Determining who made plays, who made mistakes, what the performance indicates about the individual players and the team as a whole.

 

[blueblood70]

This thread was started to discuss one specific play. Exactly what sports are all about. Determining who made plays, who made mistakes, what the performance indicates about the individual players and the team as a whole.

and it shouldn't have, too many threads started over nitpicking individual plays in wins, big wins., had no bearing on the game..its nitpicking trying top call out dak and again , Its WRONG..

 

[Zman5]

You didn't answer my question. You're avoiding it by going on some different tangent. It was yes or no. I asked was Gallup facing towards Gilmore right before Gilmore made contact with his left hand? Yes or no?

You're evading because you know you got busted trying to lie about Gallup's had being straight upon contact. It wasn't. Evident by my video AND the one you produced. Even when you first replied to me you tried to be deceptive, quoting the facemask rule but leaving out the note that if you remove your hand immediately even if you've grasped it, which Gilmore didn't even do, it's not a foul. I showed it was half a second. That's why you whined that you wanted slow motion so you can say, "See, it was an eternity. He didn't let go immediately." Half a second is what I counted, and that was with NBC's slowed down replay video. This play and the Saints example of the egregious facemask pull and control aren't even close to the same thing which is why this one's not a foul. And now you're trying to lie about what my argument actually is to make it easier to attack. Strawman, to the layperson.

Why try to be deceptive in presenting evidence TWICE plus going full strawman if you have a valid argument? It's because you don't have one. Unfortunately for you, I can sniff out these lightweight garbage attempts from miles away.

I did answer your question. You just refuse to accept the answer. I said Gallup's head was straight right before Gilmore made contact with his hand and then MG's head turns toward Gilmore after Gilmore pushes MG's facemask down and toward him. Unless you're blind, it's clear to see on the slowmo video.

If anyone is being deceptive, it's you by posting two videos at different speeds and saying they are different. And don't give me this crap about "I just posted the video that was posted " excuse. Everyone knows how to play a YouTube video at slower speeds. If you know how to create gifs from YouTube videos, I'm sure you know how to slow the play speed on YouTube. You kept refusing to post the slower version of the gif when I asked you to because you knew it would expose you and your BS. So I ended up creating it which showed that the two videos are not that different.

Now knowing you have been exposed, you are now trying to back pedal using another BS excuse about "all the fingers not being closed on the face mask". It's another one of your pathetic attempts at trying to tell everyone the refs are never wrong.

 

[MarcusRock]

I said Gallup's head was straight right before Gilmore made Contact with hand

Which would make you a damn liar and Gallup a bobblehead doll. This is why you posted a still photo that is a full 6 frames later than the point this GIF stops according to my video capture. Six! You literally could have stopped at 3 frames later for a straight-on look but got greedy to make it look more dramatic. Here clearly shows Gallup turned to face Gilmore of his own doing at the point of contact and then did it a second time as he pushed back a second time. Video beats still pictures every time. Maybe invest in CGI to run your deception next time but your backyard variety deception will get destroyed by me all day.

 

[NotForLong]

That has to be totally on Gallup . As a receiver you have to stay upright in order to catch the ball and in a storied career in NE now Indy Gilmore probably has not had an easier interception.

You could tell from Daks body language after the play it was three letters the first one is W I’ll leave the guessing as to the other 2.

When Cooper was here it was almost like you had to force the ball early into his hands keep him involved , interested . With 88 13 and Noah Brown it’s whoever is open distribute the passes then you have the three horsemen at TE . I’m liking this late season passing game .

Cowboys should have signed Gilmore and we wouldn't be in this situation . . . We would be on the way to the Super Bowl

 

[Zman5]

Which would make you a damn liar and Gallup a bobblehead doll. This is why you posted a still photo that is a full 6 frames later than the point this GIF stops according to my video capture. Six! You literally could have stopped at 3 frames later for a straight-on look but got greedy to make it look more dramatic. Here clearly shows Gallup turned to face Gilmore of his own doing at the point of contact and then did it a second time as he pushed back a second time. Video beats still pictures every time. Maybe invest in CGI to run your deception next time but your backyard variety deception will get destroyed by me all day.

Why aren't you using the slowmo version of the video? Because that version shows clearly you are full of crap.

You can clearly see MG's head moving away from Gilmore and looking straight ahead right before Gilmore's hand touches MG's facemask and pushes down which makes MG's head turn toward the turf and Gilmore.

As I said before, you are blind and full of BS.

For you to say Gilmore didn't have illegal contact and had nothing to do with MG's head getting turned because not all of Gimore's fingers were closed is laughable.
And this is another pathetic attempt at trying to deflect on the fact that this was an illegal contact as described by NFL's rules video I posted.

 

[MarcusRock]

Why aren't you using the slowmo version of the video? Because that version shows clearly you are full of crap.

You can clearly see MG's head moving away from Gilmore and looking straight ahead right before Gilmore's hand touches MG's facemask and pushes down which makes MG's head turn toward the turf and Gilmore.

As I said before, you are blind and full of BS.

Again, ignoring the fact that Gallup turned his head toward Gilmore on his own for leverage to push off and then did it again to explain his head movement.

Then lied to post a still that was 6 frames later than the point Gilmore makes contact with the facemask.

The other thing you keep trying to push slant on is none of these videos were my videos. I used what was posted in the thread and reproduced them, including your own pictures and videos that were easy to use against you because you tried to lie about them.

As for slow motion, it shows Gilmore made contact with the facemask and nothing else. He didn't grip, grasp, pull or do anything else you need to see to cover your lie. Gallup's head down is on Gallup trying to gain leverage for a second push off, the first of which he turned to Gilmore and dipped his head to perform and you refuse to admit for obvious reasons.

Real game speed (which is still slowed down by NBC's replay) shows that even after contact, Gilmore let go immediately. Why's that important? Rules, bro. The ones you tried to half quote to look like you had a case when the red portion below destroyed your case. It even says you can grasp and Gilmore didn't even do that (which is my point about none of his fingers being curled that you try to distort) and let go in a half second. And if he doesn't grasp, I'm not even sure the rule applies and it's like a stiff arm which IS allowed. So you need slo-mo to try to gain footing to make it seem longer but the rule is written for real game speed, not a replay (see below).

RULE 12 PLAYER CONDUCT
SECTION 2 PERSONAL FOULS
ARTICLE 15. TWISTING, PULLING, OR TURNING THE FACEMASK OR HELMET OPENING. No player shall grasp and
control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask or helmet opening of an opponent in any direction.

Note: If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask or helmet opening, he must immediately release it. If he does not
immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul.​

I literally have posted plain video, used plain statements, and posted the FULL rules to show how they do or don't apply here for both illegal contact and facemask. You posted half rules to make your case better, inaccurate still shots to make your case look better, and misrepresented my argument to make your case look better. By any impartial stretch of the imagination, you have no case which is why you need to lie and slant. But keep on keepin' on.

 

[Zman5]

Again, ignoring the fact that Gallup turned his head toward Gilmore on his own for leverage to push off and then did it again to explain his head movement.

Then lied to post a still that was 6 frames later than the point Gilmore makes contact with the facemask.

The other thing you keep trying to push slant on is none of these videos were my videos. I used what was posted in the thread and reproduced them, including your own pictures and videos that were easy to use against you because you tried to lie about them.

As for slow motion, it shows Gilmore made contact with the facemask and nothing else. He didn't grip, grasp, pull or do anything else you need to see to cover your lie. Gallup's head down is on Gallup trying to gain leverage for a second push off, the first of which he turned to Gilmore and dipped his head to perform and you refuse to admit for obvious reasons.

Real game speed (which is still slowed down by NBC's replay) shows that even after contact, Gilmore let go immediately. Why's that important? Rules, bro. The ones you tried to half quote to look like you had a case when the red portion below destroyed your case. It even says you can grasp and Gilmore didn't even do that (which is my point about none of his fingers being curled that you try to distort) and let go in a half second. And if he doesn't grasp, I'm not even sure the rule applies and it's like a stiff arm which IS allowed. So you need slo-mo to try to gain footing to make it seem longer but the rule is written for real game speed, not a replay (see below).

RULE 12 PLAYER CONDUCT
SECTION 2 PERSONAL FOULS
ARTICLE 15. TWISTING, PULLING, OR TURNING THE FACEMASK OR HELMET OPENING. No player shall grasp and
control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask or helmet opening of an opponent in any direction.

Note: If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask or helmet opening, he must immediately release it. If he does not
immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul.​

I literally have posted plain video, used plain statements, and posted the FULL rules to show how they do or don't apply here for both illegal contact and facemask. You posted half rules to make your case better, inaccurate still shots to make your case look better, and misrepresented my argument to make your case look better. By any impartial stretch of the imagination, you have no case which is why you need to lie and slant. But keep on keepin' on.

You are flat out lying to cover your butt. Dean Blandino clearly points out at 36 seconds that "Any contact that is not incidental will be a foul" in the NFL rule video. The part of video you keep ignoring to mention because it proves you have no clue. The example on the video clearly shows that Gilmore had as much contact if not more than the defender on the example at 36 seconds. Yet you claim Gilmore's contact was incidental. More lies told by you to protect your hero refs.

 

[blueblood70]

You are flat out lying to cover your butt. Dean Blandino clearly points out at 36 seconds that "Any contact that is not incidental will be a foul" in the NFL rule video. The part of video you keep ignoring to mention because it proves you have no clue. The example on the video clearly shows that Gilmore had as much contact if not more than the defender on the example at 36 seconds. Yet you claim Gilmore's contact was incidental. More lies told by you to protect your hero refs.

SG got away with both calls on Gallup Illegal contact the led to an INT, illegal hands to fact etc . SG is a Pro, knows the tricks, hid them well enough,

MR like to argue until he dies against our own team..im beginning to think Hes spy double agent, closet eagles' fan, I presume. Might put this tard on ignore soon.

 

[MarcusRock]

You are flat out lying to cover your butt. Dean Blandino clearly points out at 36 seconds that "Any contact that is not incidental will be a foul" in the NFL rule video. The part of video you keep ignoring to mention because it proves you have no clue. The example on the video clearly shows that Gilmore had as much contact if not more than the defender on the example at 36 seconds. Yet you claim Gilmore's contact was incidental. More lies told by you to protect your hero refs.

Right. It was incidental. If Gallup doesn't turn his head into Gilmore at the start of the route, the facemask probably doesn't get in the way. This is why you haven't acknowledged that Gallup turned towards Gilmore all on his own before any contact to deliver his own push as a lie to hold on to this last thread of hope you have something. But the video shows it. Real speed, slow speed, doesn't matter. Keep ignoring it all you want but it doesn't change reality. You should try it sometime so you aren't made to look like a lying fool as you do here. Parents always say, "If you tell the truth from the start ... "