Stephen Jones: Hints they are still looking at pass rushers

[ScipioCowboy]

We don't need new pass rushers. Ryan Russell is gonna tear **** up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We don't need new pass rushers. Ryan Russell is gonna tear **** up.

Like the spirit. I have Irving doing that but I will take either one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am going to research the CFL rosters for a while since that is probably where these pass rushers are coming from.

Teams have about what? 40 players each they have to cut.

I assume that this is some poor attempt at satire because at this point of the year its the CFL that is perusing NFL rosters. Come Novemeber after rosters are set and players have had a chance to play then maybe.

 

[Sydla]

To pay an old guy big money to rush the passer might be considered bunk as well. Oh well, to each his own....

You are the king of the strawman.

Big money? Who said anything about paying an old guy "big money"?

Freeney won't get big money.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

You are the king of the strawman.

Big money? Who said anything about paying an old guy "big money"?

Freeney won't get big money.

He won't get anything from the Cowboys. That is the only thing that concerns me.

BTW, any discussion in this forum can be considered a "strawman" argument when sides are taken. Appreciate the debate but I'm done with this topic.

 

[LocimusPrime]

You are the king of the strawman.

Big money? Who said anything about paying an old guy "big money"?

Freeney won't get big money.

True. Freeney doesn't want "big money". What the cards paid him wasn't " big money".
You made some good points.

 

[Sydla]

He won't get anything from the Cowboys. That is the only thing that concerns me.

BTW, any discussion in this forum can be considered a "strawman" argument when sides are taken. Appreciate the debate but I'm done with this topic.

That's fine but when you base an argument on this notion that people want to spend "big money" on aging veteran DEs, don't be surprised when people call you on that BS.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

That's fine but when you base an argument on this notion that people want to spend "big money" on aging veteran DEs, don't be surprised when people call you on that BS.

Fair enough. Now I'm done with this thread.

 

[Jstopper]

Except you missed the point.

The point being that right now the Cowboys will be putting 4 guys on the field to start that year that have simply have not shown whether they can or cannot rush the passer. The 2.5 sacks total is proof of that. They are complete and utter unknowns in an area that is arguably our biggest weakness - rushing the passer.

So if you can add a veteran to play alongside them, it's stunning to me that people think that's a bad idea. It's stunning to me that no one would entertain bringing in a guy who had 8 sacks in 11 games last year and wouldn't cost a whole lot of money. Worst case scenario? He sucks. And you cut him. Costs you very little, especially if you have a deal like Arizona where he had sack incentives built into his contract.

Again, you want to use the argument that they have not shown that that they can get sacks. And yet you want to add a 3rd down specialist who will take away chances for our guys to get sacks in 3rd down. At some point man you have to let guys get on the field, you can't be so scared of what you don't know that you want to fall back on a 36 year old safety net. You know how freeny got all those sacks? From sitting until 3rd down time, I'd rather let our main DE's get it on 1st 2nd and 3rd down. How about we see what they can do with actual playing time?

 

[Sydla]

Again, you want to use the argument that they have not shown that that they can get sacks. And yet you want to add a 3rd down specialist who will take away chances for our guys to get sacks in 3rd down. At some point man you have to let guys get on the field, you can't be so scared of what you don't know that you want to fall back on a 36 year old safety net. You know how freeny got all those sacks? From sitting until 3rd down time, I'd rather let our main DE's get it on 1st 2nd and 3rd down. How about we see what they can do with actual playing time?

You do realize that teams also throw on 1st and 2nd downs right? Our guys will have the chances to rush the QB even with Freeney on the roster and just being a pass rush specialist.

There is no sillier a rationale used for not bringing in an effective veteran to address our biggest weakness/question mark than the one that essentially says that bringing in one guy to help will suddenly incapacitate our young DEs and make it almost impossible for them to show any pass rush skills.

It's downright bizarre.

If anything, Freeney would be a cheap insurance policy. What happens if it turns out our guys can't rush the passer and guys like Freeney are off the market? Now what? Or haven't you factored that possibility into your analysis?

The more bodies you have at DE, including a vet, the more likely you will cobble down an average pass rush (we've been below average for 3 years).

 

[Jstopper]

You do realize that teams also throw on 1st and 2nd downs right? Our guys will have the chances to rush the QB even with Freeney on the roster and just being a pass rush specialist.

There is no sillier a rationale used for not bringing in an effective veteran to address our biggest weakness/question mark than the one that essentially says that bringing in one guy to help will suddenly incapacitate our young DEs and make it almost impossible for them to show any pass rush skills.

It's downright bizarre.

Again we have these guys under contract because we saw something we liked in them. Its bizarre that you're such an advocate for a 36 year old pass rusher who's still unsigned at this point. Football is a young mans game, let them play.

 

[Sydla]

Again we have these guys under contract because we saw something we liked in them. Its bizarre that you're such an advocate for a 36 year old pass rusher who's still unsigned at this point. Football is a young mans game, let them play.

LOL. Every team in the NFL has guys under contract that they like. And yet, not every team wins. Hmmmm............. why is that?

I am an advocate for any player at this point that can help what is a glaring weakness of this team. Even a 36 year old who had a better sack pace last year than ANY DL on our team last year.

I subscribe to the theory that the more bodies you have at DE, the more likely you will cobble together an acceptable pass rush. I think it's fool's gold to put the entire faith of the pass rush in a rookie, a guy who has barely played over 3 seasons, and a 2nd year player who is basically a rookie and hope they hold it together until Lawrence comes back.

 

[Jstopper]

LOL. Every team in the NFL has guys under contract that they like. And yet, not every team wins. Hmmmm............. why is that?

I am an advocate for any player at this point that can help what is a glaring weakness of this team. Even a 36 year old who had a better sack pace last year than ANY DL on our team last year.

I subscribe to the theory that the more bodies you have at DE, the more likely you will cobble together an acceptable pass rush. I think it's fool's gold to put the entire faith of the pass rush in a rookie, a guy who has barely played over 3 seasons, and a 2nd year player who is basically a rookie and hope they hold it together until Lawrence comes back.

Okay its apparent neither of our stances are changing. We'll just have to see what happens on the field

 

[zrinkill]

Everything that comes out of either Jones mouth angers me ........ stop talking about doing something with the pass rush and do it ......

 

[jnday]

To pay an old guy big money to rush the passer might be considered bunk as well. Oh well, to each his own....

There would be no big money involved with Freeney. So what is the problem?

 

[jnday]

Again, you want to use the argument that they have not shown that that they can get sacks. And yet you want to add a 3rd down specialist who will take away chances for our guys to get sacks in 3rd down. At some point man you have to let guys get on the field, you can't be so scared of what you don't know that you want to fall back on a 36 year old safety net. You know how freeny got all those sacks? From sitting until 3rd down time, I'd rather let our main DE's get it on 1st 2nd and 3rd down. How about we see what they can do with actual playing time?

It is poor management to expect players with limited pass rushing ability to produce above their ability. None of these young guys are quality pass rushers at this point .

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yah, but then he will turn around and tell you that he is gung ho, balls to the wall excited about the pass rush this year. Listenting to Jerry, Stephen, and Garrett talk is like watching the three stooges. Do these clowns really believer their own BS?

 

[Stash]

Yah, but then he will turn around and tell you that he is gung ho, balls to the wall excited about the pass rush this year. Listenting to Jerry, Stephen, and Garrett talk is like watching the three stooges. Do these clowns really believer their own BS?

Yes they do.

And they hope you will too.

Best for business.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes they do.

And they hope you will too.

Best for business.

Who was the player that was talking about how the defense and the pass rush is going to "shock the world"?

Gotta love the attitude though.

 

[Stash]

Who was the player that was talking about how the defense and the pass rush is going to "shock the world"?

Gotta love the attitude though.

Ryan Russell. A guy I'm pulling for to be honest, but that comment was embarrassing.