Stephen Jones Lays Out The Blueprint For Cowboys Success In 2017

[Idgit]

Good point - inexperience

Dak actually played just fine early on. Led a scoring drive off the bat. We had one early drive stall on a very good PBU, and one on the 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Butler. After that, we were pretty much back on track offensively.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Dak actually played just fine early on. Led a scoring drive off the bat. We had one early drive stall on a very good PBU, and one on the 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Butler. After that, we were pretty much back on track offensively.

Good point- so it wasn't inexperience.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

IIRC, we hinted pretty directly that we were taking OL that season after Romo's extension. Nobody thought it would be Frederick because Mel Kiper said he was a third round pick. That was where the surprise came in. And everybody hated it at the time and was wrong about that, too.

Well I might be wrong about that, I do remember them saying OL among other things, but hinting directly towards it. I don't have a great memory sometimes.

I wasn't thinking Frederick, glad its what happened though. Don't think anyone was at the time.

 

[Doomsday101]

What I'm saying if we come out and say we want a 'war daddy' then stephen comes out and says basically the same thing, its a telegraph, thats all. We want a DE with the first pick. Maybe a DB, thats it.

Noone knew what direction we were going with Frederick. I would rather go into the draft for total BPA, then people knowing exactly who we will pick. You can say we can go BPA at DE or DB..............but thats not BPA, thats need based.

so pretty much defensive help again we all know this. However it also does not mean the 1st pick will actually be a defensive player much will depend on who is on the board when the Cowboys make their pick. Saying the draft is deep on defense is true so out 1st defensive pick may not happen until the 2nd rd there is no way of knowing it.

You say no one knew Dallas would take Frederick but evidently he was high on their board and selected him despite talk of drafting another position so who knows what Dallas may do in this draft?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Dak actually played just fine early on. Led a scoring drive off the bat. We had one early drive stall on a very good PBU, and one on the 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Butler. After that, we were pretty much back on track offensively.

We can make all the excuses we want, but we didn't score a TD til 6:03 in the second half.

 

[Idgit]

Well I might be wrong about that, I do remember them saying OL among other things, but hinting directly towards it. I don't have a great memory sometimes.

I wasn't thinking Frederick, glad its what happened though. Don't think anyone was at the time.

Nobody was. I think that was the draft where Jerry had made the Romo-friendly comment to justify the big extension. Then all the OLs started flying off the board. Remember Fredrick was their '5th horseman' or whatever bad metaphor Jerry used to justify taking him way earlier than everybody thought he'd go? At the time, people thought he might play OG for us. Then Frederick came out and said he thought he was a 2nd round pick going in and everybody lost their collective ****.

 

[Idgit]

We can make all the excuses we want, but we didn't score a TD til 6:03 in the second half.

Not making excuses. Just trying to be accurate about why we failed. Did you have an issue with any of Dak's specific decisions in those first three drives? I thought he played really well, all game, with the obvious exception of the intercepted screen pass.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

so pretty much defensive help again we all know this. However it also does not mean the 1st pick will actually be a defensive player much will depend on who is on the board when the Cowboys make their pick. Saying the draft is deep on defense is true so out 1st defensive pick may not happen until the 2nd rd there is no way of knowing it.

You say no one knew Dallas would take Frederick but evidently he was high on their board and selected him despite talk of drafting another position so who knows what Dallas may do in this draft?

Well this isn't on you of course, I've just been reading here that it has to be all defense. If the best player available in the first round is offensive, I say take him.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well this isn't on you of course, I've just been reading here that it has to be all defense. If the best player in the first round is offensive, I say take him.

I don't disagree but you just said that Dallas took Frederick when that is not what was being talked about leading up to the draft. I'm sure Dallas will have guy who are defensive players and offensive players on their draft board and will select based on their board. I think for the most part Dallas will look closely at defensive players through out the draft but who they take in the 1st rd is still an unknown and a lot of that has to do with who is still out there when our pick comes.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Not making excuses. Just trying to be accurate about why we failed. Did you have an issue with any of Dak's specific decisions in those first three drives? I thought he played really well, all game, with the obvious exception of the intercepted screen pass.

Well, personally I don't think they gave Zeke the ball enough, he should've gotten 30+ touches in that game. Still mad about that.

Was it Dak......well I go back and forth with the coaching and so forth in the beginning of that game.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, personally I don't think they gave Zeke the ball enough, he should've gotten 30+ touches in that game. Still mad about that.

Was it Dak......well I go back and forth with the coaching and so forth in the beginning of that game.

I think much of that was the plan until Dallas fell behind in the game. At that point you are only running the clock on yourself. Frankly I thought the game was about to be a run away until Dak got things going and got the team back into the game.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think much of that was the plan until Dallas fell behind in the game. At that point you are only running the clock on yourself. Frankly I thought the game was about to be a run away until Dak got things going and got the team back into the game.

I always say touches for Zeke, I have never said carries. We really didn't use him enough in the passing game at all most of the year, but especially in the playoffs.

 

[Doomsday101]

I always say touches for Zeke, I have never said carries. We really didn't use him enough in the passing game at all.

I agree would like to see him used more in the passing game.

 

[Idgit]

Well, personally I don't think they gave Zeke the ball enough, he should've gotten 30+ touches in that game. Still mad about that.

Was it Dak......well I go back and forth with the coaching and so forth in the beginning of that game.

I agree in principle. But if you look at the play by play for those early drives, there's really only one down where I'd second guess the run/pass option. The PD on Dez on 3rd was a passing situation. And then the Butler penalty took Zeke off the board the next drive. That penalty was a big play early in that game.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I agree in principle. But if you look at the play by play for those early drives, there's really only one down where I'd second guess the run/pass option. The PD on Dez on 3rd was a passing situation. And then the Butler penalty took Zeke off the board the next drive. That penalty was a big play early in that game.

I was looking forward to the playoffs to see Zeke on the field more. I was disappointed.

Honestly I was so sick after that game, I didn't want or need to watch it again and I usually do.

 

[Idgit]

I was looking forward to the playoffs to see Zeke on the field more. I was disappointed.

Honestly I was so sick after that game, I didn't want or need to watch it again and I usually do.

I'm with you, brother. That game made me sick to my stomach. I can read the play by play, but I'm not rewatching it.

 

[jterrell]

I think SJones falls short because he is too obsessed with value

Yes Paea is a better value than TMcClain but the goal should be getting the BEST players that we can get at every position not the best bargains

He is way too big picture for a guy that has never won anything and he runs a team with unlimited resources but acts like a small market GM

Or he could have decided McClain missed 18 games over 3 seasons here and didn't wanna pay him beyond age 30.

 

[Risen Star]

K. We all know you're the expert on the draft. Just check my signature.

A concession.

Thank you.

Learn from it.

 

[Nightman]

Or he could have decided McClain missed 18 games over 3 seasons here and didn't wanna pay him beyond age 30.

being better than McClain shouldn't be the bar

Paea may be better and cheaper but are there 20 other DTs that are better than Paea and shouldn't we want them instead

 

[Nightman]

Did anyone complaining about the article actually read the article? Because it says absolutely nothing new or interesting.

And has anybody complaining about our approach to the draft or to roster building actually been paying attention these last five or six years or so? Because, what the hell are you guys talking about? Seriously. How out of touch with reality can a small group of people be?

And the homers that keep drinking the Koolaid are just as delusional

Just because we know the philosophy by heart it doesn't mean it is now beyond criticism

Those 2 playoff wins sure speak very loudly about how consistent we are in our mediocrity