Stephen Jones responds to Dez tweet

[windward]

Ok. Let's just hash this out. Who can we put in a wr1 role that will do what dez has done for us? Cobb? A draft pick? And yes I am serious. Without dez and the defense he commands and the openings he gives the other receivers we wouldn't have won more then 5 games.

You're only looking at half of the equation here, bro. We probably couldn't get a guy as good as Dez. But there is huge gap between 5 wins and 12 wins. With a healthy Romo,Witten,Murray and Wr X, I think we could scrape together more than 5 wins.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Ok. Let's just hash this out. Who can we put in a wr1 role that will do what dez has done for us? Cobb? A draft pick? And yes I am serious. Without dez and the defense he commands and the openings he gives the other receivers we wouldn't have won more then 5 games.

That's just irrational. Now if you said that about Romo with Weeden having to play? Yeah it would make more sense.

 

[phildadon86]

That's just irrational. Now if you said that about Romo with Weeden having to play? Yeah it would make more sense.

Without Romo, we wouldnt have won 3 game lol.

 

[Corso]

This is fun!
Now: how many games would the Cowboys have won without... say... Witten?
Murray?
Frederick?
Add others too.

Take your time- I'm going to develop a drinking game off your answers.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I'm a middle of the road guy with Dez. I want him here but not at the determinate of other positions. I still am a bit weary of his maturity.
As far as his sideline act? I really don't care. And when watching games and they put it on camera, it doesn't look like any one else does either.

This is an excellent point Dave and I think it's the elephant in the room nobody wants to address.

I've heard it more than once on the NFL Network, NBC Pro Football Talk, Louis Riddick and I heard it again today on Colin's show that there are things that go on with Dez that nobody knows about except the team and if we did know about them it would make people awfully nervous. Not big explosive cover up kind of things - but potential trouble within his circle of friends and family.

I think without the off the field potential risk this deal would be already done. With the environment that the league is in and with the microscope on players anything that comes up in the future will be dealt with harshly and I think the Cowboys are weighing the risk of losing him to suspension. It's just part of the equation - you would never consider this with Witten or Church or Tyron Smith. With Dez it's a legitimate factor.

Again, I'm not saying it will happen and there is nothing that has happened this year that can be pointed to. I certainly don't know what's been going on behind the scenes, but as an organization you have the obligation to your fans and team to take into account these factors in a high priced negotiation.

If you didn't you wouldn't be doing your job.

 

[zrinkill]

I've heard it more than once on the NFL Network, NBC Pro Football Talk, Louis Riddick and I heard it again today on Colin's show that there are things that go on with Dez that nobody knows about except the team

In this day and age ....... I think that is total and complete bullflop.

Anyone who believes that is wanting to believe something bad of Dez.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

In this day and age ....... I think that is total and complete bullflop.

Anyone who believes that is wanting to believe something bad of Dez.

Not really. He's screwed up enough to warrant paid babysitters at his age. He has been clean as far as we know and that's a great thing.
But you can't be to comfortable to loosen the reins. Don has some good points really.

 

[Tractor1]

actions speak louder than words.

pay the man who brought life back into this dead organization.

They did. They gave Jason a new five year deal.

 

[zrinkill]

Not really. He's screwed up enough to warrant paid babysitters at his age. He has been clean as far as we know and that's a great thing.
But you can't be to comfortable to loosen the reins. Don has some good points really.

So you think in this day and age, that there is something about Dez that only the team knows and has not come out to any reporters.

Ok ........ right.

 

[skinsscalper]

Not really. He's screwed up enough to warrant paid babysitters at his age. He has been clean as far as we know and that's a great thing.
But you can't be to comfortable to loosen the reins. Don has some good points really.

I agree that it has some merit and I can see zrin's point also, honestly. There is one thing for sure. With the amount of "chaperones" that the Cowboys have provided Bryant, I'm certain that they have witnessed a thing or two that MAY make an organization nervous. In fairness, the same claim could be made about a number of players across the league with that much eyes on scrutiny.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I agree that it has some merit and I can see zrin's point also, honestly. There is one thing for sure. With the amount of "chaperones" that the Cowboys have provided Bryant, I'm certain that they have witnessed a thing or two that MAY make an organization nervous. In fairness, the same claim could be made about a number of players across the league with that much eyes on scrutiny.[/quote]

Oh I'm sure. But we are Paying Dez and he wants a ton more.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So you think in this day and age, that there is something about Dez that only the team knows and has not come out to any reporters.

Ok ........ right.

Yeah I do. You don't think things get covered up for high profile people? Happens every day.

 

[DandyDon1722]

In this day and age ....... I think that is total and complete bullflop.

Anyone who believes that is wanting to believe something bad of Dez.

I know you're not directing this at me personally but to reiterate, not saying I believe it, I'm saying I heard it and I also put the qualifier in I don't know. But I think it's naive to simply ignore it. Ultimately the team knows what's going on. If any of it is true you can bet it's a consideration. If not, then it's just the dollars.

Let me add that I admire Dez a great deal. His life experiences have been horrendous and it's crushing to learn how some kids today still are brought up in those environments. Sports saved him while others still struggle. I love his loyalty to the team, I love his passion for the game and I hope like hell he has a long career, stays out of trouble and makes a lot of money along the way.

I can't think of a better example for young players coming into the league than Dez.

 

[rpntex]

I am not saying he is the only reason we are where we are. I also recall the St Louis game when we were down by 21 and Dez was on the sideline pumping up the troops, including Romo, who won that game again?

And how many times in 2014 did we see Romo display cool and calm leadership when things looked bad? After giving up a 21-point olead against Philly, when his quiet confidence was the catalyst that sparked a methodical march right down the field to retake the lead.

My point is that yelling and screaming doesn't work for everyone. Romo and Witten aren't big yellers, but anyone who thinks they are not just as passionate as Dez is an idiot. They show it differently, that's all.

Dez is certainly worthy of the payday, but it's foolish to say he's ultimately responsible for this team's return to contention.

 

[Idgit]

Sorry I just don't see the team folding at the loss of Dez.

The offense would still be productive. But it doesn't matter, because Dez will be in the lineup one way or another next season no matter what.

 

[jwitten82]

Ok. Let's just hash this out. Who can we put in a wr1 role that will do what dez has done for us? Cobb? A draft pick? And yes I am serious. Without dez and the defense he commands and the openings he gives the other receivers we wouldn't have won more then 5 games.

Lol Dez is good, but he is not worth 7 wins

 

[Fletch]

This whole scenario is not surprising nor should it be considered bad - it's just business. I heard a guy today on The Herd say it was racist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The remarks by Stephen this week and Dez's tweets in response are shots being fired over the bow. It's a typical negotiation and both sides are playing their cards with the public. Stephen is more calculating, Dez more emotional - as it should be.

Nobody really knows what the real offers are or how far apart they may be but the public posturing should in no way affect anything. I remember Emmitt's hold out was nasty, this in no way approaches that. I still think we will sign Dez and franchise Murray and we'll all be happier for it.

Is everything these days chalked up to being racist? Geeeeeeze!

 

[Risen Star]

Why don't they just call or text each other? Why have a conversation on social media?

Because Dez Bryant, for all his good qualities, isn't the most mature person you'll ever meet.

Which, ironically, is probably what's holding up getting a deal done.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

This is an excellent point Dave and I think it's the elephant in the room nobody wants to address.

I've heard it more than once on the NFL Network, NBC Pro Football Talk, Louis Riddick and I heard it again today on Colin's show that there are things that go on with Dez that nobody knows about except the team and if we did know about them it would make people awfully nervous. Not big explosive cover up kind of things - but potential trouble within his circle of friends and family.

I think without the off the field potential risk this deal would be already done. With the environment that the league is in and with the microscope on players anything that comes up in the future will be dealt with harshly and I think the Cowboys are weighing the risk of losing him to suspension. It's just part of the equation - you would never consider this with Witten or Church or Tyron Smith. With Dez it's a legitimate factor.

Again, I'm not saying it will happen and there is nothing that has happened this year that can be pointed to. I certainly don't know what's been going on behind the scenes, but as an organization you have the obligation to your fans and team to take into account these factors in a high priced negotiation.

If you didn't you wouldn't be doing your job.

My problem is you/we had no problem with him as we rode his efforts to the tune of a record setting year and 12 wins? We through up X's, marveled at his competitive drive and athleticism etc.. NOBODY on our roster plays harder or cares more than this guy. Now we have concerns when it's time to pay him? I'm not saying that there aren't some concerns that warrant attention. My question is why didn't we express this or make this known last year? Why didn't we suspend him a game or two for conduct/associations detrimental to the team?

 

[mahoneybill]

Its def in the area of what was offered before. Cowboys probably want a longer deal. 7-8 yrs probably around 100-114mil i think the hold up is agreeing to how much guaranteed money.

Agree. To me if the guaranteed covers/exceeds the franchise $$ in a manner Dez/ Agent feels happy with then a deal gets done. Also Dez agents have to see how Fitzgeralds deal was reworked. Yes, Dez is younger but the reality is WR big dollars are coming down.