Stephen Jones: We Will Be Running The Ball More

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Good, I honestly don't care who's idea it is as longs as they do it. Nothing could help this team more than a good running game.
 

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Talk is cheap, and whatever, but this quote:

“I think we’ve been pretty successful when DeMarco has gotten over 20 carries. Our winning percentage is pretty good. So yes, I’d like to see us in the top 10 in terms of our rushing attack. I think that’s a good recipe in terms of us winning. We will be running the ball more.”

Come on. Please tell me they know better than that.

I don't care whether we run it more or not, as long as we continue to pass it well. I think, if the numbers are appreciably different, it'd be because we're running out games, anyway, which is something we've really not been in position to do much in recent years and is more a function of playing better defense than it is a sign of any new commitment to running the ball.
 

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Who notices what she knows...? That family has some distinguished women in the clan...
 

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Our defense is going to need us to run well and often. At time, JG has to stick with it even if it's not working.
 

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I'm not arguing with you but offer a perspective

Does the guy in finance in the army get the same respect as the guy toting the weapon in the field?

As Will Rodgers put it
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.

I know they have made mistakes and I do think much has been learned over the course of time, as much as many here act as if they are incapable of it. Drafts have been looking better and I think Dallas is building off of those drafts and mid range FA. You can't make up for the bad moves in the past what you can do is build off of the here and now and I think Dallas and the Jone's have been doing just that. 25 years yes I think people learn and I think much has been learned by guys like Stephen
 

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I'm not arguing with you but offer a perspective

Does the guy in finance in the army get the same respect as the guy toting the weapon in the field?

Come pay day, you bet...and I remember reporting: 'Private Bulwinkle reporting for pay!'
 

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As Will Rodgers put it
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.

I know they have made mistakes and I do think much has been learned over the course of time, as much as many here act as if they are incapable of it. Drafts have been looking better and I think Dallas is building off of those drafts and mid range FA. You can't make up for the bad moves in the past what you can do is build off of the here and now and I think Dallas and the Jone's have been doing just that. 25 years yes I think people learn and I think much has been learned by guys like Stephen

I like Stephen.

But I also have to wonder if there are not times Jerry doesn't speak with the right guy, hear the information in the right way, and make a decision based on the best information when he does something perceived as right.

Which implies the other times he listened to the wrong person.

I offer you Larry Lacewell as example A.
 

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As Will Rodgers put it
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.

I know they have made mistakes and I do think much has been learned over the course of time, as much as many here act as if they are incapable of it. Drafts have been looking better and I think Dallas is building off of those drafts and mid range FA. You can't make up for the bad moves in the past what you can do is build off of the here and now and I think Dallas and the Jone's have been doing just that. 25 years yes I think people learn and I think much has been learned by guys like Stephen

Agreed, but I'll just take a plate full of cheese enchiladas, a pineapple milk shake, and a slab of pecan pie.
 

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I like Stephen.

But I also have to wonder if there are not times Jerry doesn't speak with the right guy, hear the information in the right way, and make a decision based on the best information when he does something perceived as right.

Which implies the other times he listened to the wrong person.

I offer you Larry Lacewell as example A.

I also do not think Jerry is stupid, he does understand the game but I do agree that who you hire and who you lean on for expert opinions matters and once find that person you need to listen to their views. BP said he like working for Jones because of the passion Jones had and that Jerry would sit and listen. Jimmy has made simular comments . In ways Jerry is more an administrator than a GM even though he holds that role.

As for your example of Lacewell, in fairness it was Jimmy Johnson who hired Lacewell and respected Lacewells judgement so then why would Jerry differ from that once Jimmy left? Matter of fact Jimmy got very mad at Lacewell when Jimmy took the Maimi job and Lacewell did not agree to go with him. Yes Jerry listened to a man who was respected by both Jerry and Jimmy and both men had long relationships with Lacewell well before ever coming to Dallas.
 

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lol whatever. I'd bet we're near the bottom of league in attempts again.

As long as Romo has the option to check out of runs on every play then he will always have more confidence in his ability then he does in the running game.

maybe if the running game shows something he might bend some; and in the end its up to the HC to reign him in if he does it too much.
 

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Talk is cheap, and whatever, but this quote:



Come on. Please tell me they know better than that.

I don't care whether we run it more or not, as long as we continue to pass it well. I think, if the numbers are appreciably different, it'd be because we're running out games, anyway, which is something we've really not been in position to do much in recent years and is more a function of playing better defense than it is a sign of any new commitment to running the ball.

I bet it never occured to you that running the ball more and better will also help out the passing game?
 

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The fact of the matter is that he was raised and grew up in an actual NFL environment, not YouTube or high school or Monday Night Countdown or any other media driven propagandist forum. He, actually, has more NFL experience than just about anybody on this, or any other, forum. FWIW, I think he probably does know more than us.

He went on scouting trips? More like he has vast experience from being involved in organizational incompetence regarding talent evaluation. Not the type of experience I want in a football man. Rings similar to JG understanding leadership bc he met with so many great leaders to prepare/modify his "craft"...:(
 

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The only way the Cowboys will be running the ball more is if they play better defense. They ranked last or next to last in just about every defensive category last season. If you can't keep opponents from scoring you have to throw the ball to keep up. At times the Cowboys did run the ball well but had to abandon the run due to the defense not being able to stop anyone. Of the top 5 rushing teams last season 3 ranked in the top 10 defensively. The problem with running the ball a lot it keeps your score down which means your defense has to keep your opponents score down.

If your defense can't keep opponents from scoring or you're having to play from behind a lot you have to throw the ball to keep up. Every year the Cowboys say they're going to run the ball more but their defense won't allow it. The Cowboys ran all over Chicago last season Murray had 146 yards averaging 8.1 a carry but the Cowboys got blown out by 17 points because the Bears scored on practically every possession. McCown shredded the Cowboys defense for 348 yards and 4 TD's.

Romo only attempted 20 passes in that game but the Cowboys decided to stick with the run because it was working and got buried. No matter how well you run the ball it's not going to produce a lot of points you have to throw the ball to be a high scoring team. The Cowboys defense will determine how much they run the ball this season. They're going to have to continue to outscore some teams to win games and that will take them away from the running game.
 

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I bet it never occured to you that running the ball more and better will also help out the passing game?

Burm, I'd be happy with a couple three or four times this offense punched the one yard to a first down or scored.
 

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Assuming Murray stays healthy, I do think we'll run more.

It sounds like Lineham really likes Dunbar as his Bush-lite guy.
Also, Lineham is a huge play action guy, so the run is pretty much mandatory. His problem is that he rarely had a oline/running back combo with potential like this one has.

I more concerned about us properly using the limited resources we have on defense.
We pay out the tail for both Carr and Claiborne and then switch the scheme. One or both of these guys need to be press corners if they can make it work. Otherwise, they will never get good value for them.

Also and of course, they all seem to know that the defense will need protecting. And we know the run game, if working, can do that.
 

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I bet it never occured to you that running the ball more and better will also help out the passing game?

You mean, did it occur to me that running the ball more effectively might help us pass the ball more effectively? Yes, it's occurred to me. We've talked about it many times, and running effectiveness doesn't appear to have much impact on passing effectiveness. And it's passing effectiveness (and effective pass defense) that wins games, so that's what I'm more concerned with.

Running it *more* at the ends of games when you're protecting a lead and just not wanting to make a passing game mistake I'm all for. Assuming, of course, we can pass effectively enough to get that lead to hold in the first place. And our defense doesn't cough it up like it has so consistently the last three seasons.
 

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“I think our offensive line is better than it was last year and I think we ran the ball pretty well last year,” Jones said. “I think we’ll run it better this year and I think there will be a bigger commitment to running it.”
This probably made Jimmy Johnson laugh.
 
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