Stephen vs Jerry

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Jerry is a dreamer.
Stephen is more logical.
Who knows what the future holds?

 

[805BoysInBlue]

Not involved with other teams but I'm gonna bet no other team has it's family in front of microphones as much as the Joneses. I wouldn't consider mcClay a gm, he doesn't get to make any of the decisions just in charge of all of the scouts/ personnel which many GM's rely on. I call Stephen part gm only cause he does have say on who to hire, draft, sign though we know only Jerry is gmin name

I think we're saying the same thing but in a different manner.

 

[john van brocklin]

Thanks! It’s Boba Fett, and I actually drew it myself.

You got talent !!!

 

[IceStar-D7]

Stephen vs Jerry is like diarrhea vs upset stomach with vomit.......

 

[NeathBlue]

Jerry, love him or loathe him, is a very successful businessman and has made himself and his family very, very rich….
Stephen, has achieved one thing in his entire life… that being Jerry’s son.
When Jerry does, eventually, die… the thought of Cletus running the show is extremely scary.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I’ll briefly prefix this by saying I’m not too familiar with all the contract behind-the-scenes news and decision-making.

I’ve heard that Stephen is more “stingy” than Jerry when it comes to spending money (like not making a splash in Free Agency). Does this mean that whenever Jerry eventually kicks the can that we might see a reduction in overpaid contracts (Dak/Zeke)?

I know a lot of people here think Stephen is equally bad or worse than Jerry, but I want to know what you think about THIS specific topic.

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL HAS TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. Nobody is cheap. Nobody is the big spender.

The game is in HOW you choose to spend your cap dollars. 70% of our cap is set to go to 7 guys: Dak, DLAW, Amari, Zeke, Tyron, Zach, La El. We might have the worst cap management crew in the league. Nobody loses their job for sucking at it.

 

[KJJ]

Jerry is a dreamer.
Stephen is more logical.

You don’t become a multibillionaire being a dreamer. Jerry is a doer. Not trying to defend them but he’s accomplished more than any of us will ever accomplish. If it wasn’t for Jerry, Stephen would likely be working an average job. He grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth.

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

Jerry, love him or loathe him, is a very successful businessman and has made himself and his family very, very rich….
Stephen, has achieved one thing in his entire life… that being Jerry’s son.
When Jerry does, eventually, die… the thought of Cletus running the show is extremely scary.

You can say this same thing about most of the owners, we don't care how rich Jerry is. He is a terrible sports franchise owner, and this has been proven for a quarter of a century.

If I had to choose between Jerry or Stephen, I'd have to pick Stephen. Stephen may be tight but he can only be so tight with a salary cap floor. Jerry overpays a lot of our players which leaves us handicapped with the salary cap.

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

Jerry is a doer.

Apart from winning in the salary cap era without a Jimmy built team you mean

 

[NeathBlue]

[QUOTE="NoFurtherQuestions, post: 11730232, member: 41838"]You can say this same thing about most of the owners, we don't care how rich Jerry is. He is a terrible sports franchise owner, and this has been proven for a quarter of a century.

If I had to choose between Jerry or Stephen, I'd have to pick Stephen. Stephen may be tight but he can only be so tight with a salary cap floor. Jerry overpays our players which leaves us handicapped with the salary cap.[/QUOTE]

He’s far from a terrible franchise owner, he’s turned the franchise into the most valuable sports franchise in the world!
If you’re talking as a GM, then that would be different as he a bad GM.

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

[QUOTE="NoFurtherQuestions, post: 11730232, member: 41838"]He’s far from a terrible franchise owner, he’s turned the franchise into the most valuable sports franchise in the world!
If you’re talking as a GM, then that would be different as he a bad GM.

The Cowboys were a big brand before Jerry, and at the end of the day who cares if you are the most valuable sports franchise in the world if you don't win? The Bengals are the second least valuable team in the league but if they win next week, which last 20 years would you rather have had, them or Dallas?

This ''he's a good owner but bad GM'' always gets me. WHO PICKS THE GM?! WHO IS KEEPING THIS BAD GM IN THEIR POSITION?! BAD OWNERS PICK AND KEEP BAD GM'S!

 

[KJJ]

Apart from winning in the salary cap era without a Jimmy built team you mean

Jimmy never won during the salary cap era. The cap was introduced in 1994. Jimmy’s Miami teams made the playoffs three of his four seasons and went 2-2. He blamed the salary cap for not having more success in Miami. They had cap issues when he arrived. A lot of teams struggled with the salary cap early on. It was something new and teams had to adjust. The great Cowboys teams of the 90s were built prior to the salary cap.

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

Jimmy never won during the salary cap era. The cap was introduced in 1994. Jimmy’s Miami teams made the playoffs three of his four seasons and went 2-2. He blamed the salary cap for not having more success in Miami. They had cap issues when he arrived. A lot of teams struggled with the salary cap early on. It was something new and teams had to adjust.

He more than likely would have if Jerry hadn't run him out of town.

 

[KJJ]

He more than likely would have if Jerry hadn't run him out of town.

Jimmy was ready to leave. He was bringing up coaching other teams during the Cowboys Super Bowl run in 93. There was a big ego clash between him and Jerry. Even had Jimmy stayed the Cowboys were losing key contributors in free agency. Everyone was raiding the Cowboys because they had the most talent. The team declined because they were losing talent. Then the triplets started to age. Jimmy found out in 1989 and in 1990 you can’t win without talent. Where Jimmy would’ve helped was with the drafting mistakes we made. Passing on Randy Moss and trading two first round picks for Joey Galloway probably wouldn’t have happened had Jimmy been here. Wasting two number two picks which were our top picks on Dwayne Goodrich and Quincy Carter probably wouldn’t have happened had Jimmy been here.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You don’t become a multibillionaire being a dreamer. Jerry is a doer. Not trying to defend them but he’s accomplished more than any of us will ever accomplish. If it wasn’t for Jerry, Stephen would likely be working an average job. He grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth.

This is a football forum. I'm speaking solely from a football perspective. If you want to split shine Jerry's shoes for what he's accomplished in his personal life this isn't the forum for that. This site, if you didn't know, is called CowboysZone.

Hello!

 

[plasticman]

Other than Stephen hiring a real GM and limiting himself to signing checks, the 25 years of ineptitude and incompetence will extend another 25 years after Jerry.

 

[KJJ]

This is a football forum. I'm speaking solely from a football perspective. If you want to split shine Jerry's shoes for what he's accomplished in his personal life this isn't the forum for that. This site, if you didn't know, is called CowboysZone.

Hello!

This is a football forum and Jerry Jones has accomplished a lot in football. His teams have three championships and he’s in the Hall of Fame. He’s one of the most powerful people in the NFL. You claimed he’s a dreamer but you don’t accomplish what he has in football or outside of football if you’re dreamer. He owns the Dallas Cowboys and has accomplished what he has in football because he’s a doer. That’s not spit shining his shoes that’s just telling it like it is. We all have issues with the way he operates the team but that’s not going to cause me to downplay his accomplishments in the NFL.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

This is a football forum and Jerry Jones has accomplished a lot in football. His teams have three championships and he’s in the Hall of Fame. He’s one of the most powerful people in the NFL. You claimed he’s a dreamer but you don’t accomplish what he has in football or outside of football if you’re dreamer. He owns the Dallas Cowboys and has accomplished what he has in football because he’s a doer. That’s not spit shining his shoes that’s just telling it like it is. We all have issues with the way he operates the team but that’s not going to cause me to downplay his accomplishments in the NFL.

Jerry has dreams of rebuilding the 90's team in the salary cap era. My statement on Jerry is my opinion of Jerry. Opinions vary just like beliefs. So if you want me to change my opinion of Jerry for a day... pay me $1,000,000,000. If not, log off and leave it alone.

 

[KJJ]

Jerry has dreams of rebuilding the 90's team in the salary cap era. My statement on Jerry is my opinion of Jerry. Opinions vary just like beliefs. So if you want me to change my opinion of Jerry for a day... pay me $1,000,000,000. If not, log off and leave it alone.

You gave an opinion and I disagreed with it, it’s as simple as that. If you’re going to be bothered every time someone disagrees with an opinion you have don’t post it.

 

[plasticman]

Jimmy was ready to leave. He was bringing up coaching other teams during the Cowboys Super Bowl run in 93. There was a big ego clash between him and Jerry. Even had Jimmy stayed the Cowboys were losing key contributors in free agency. Everyone was raiding the Cowboys because they had the most talent. The team declined because they were losing talent. Then the triplets started to age. Jimmy found out in 1989 and in 1990 you can’t win without talent. Where Jimmy would’ve helped was with the drafting mistakes we made. Passing on Randy Moss and trading two first round picks for Joey Galloway probably wouldn’t have happened had Jimmy been here. Wasting two number two picks which were our top picks on Dwayne Goodrich and Quincy Carter probably wouldn’t have happened had Jimmy been here.

Jimmy was ready to leave solely due to Jerry's interference and desire to grab credit for himself. Jimmy would never be a puppet like Campo, Phillips, and Garrett.

Jimmy, who was a master talent evaluator, would have determined the future value of free agents with far more accuracy than an oil executive with far too much time on his hands.

Jimmy didn't "find out" that you can't win without talent in 1989 and 1990. He recruited some of the most dominating college teams in NCAA history. Jimmy knew you could never consider loyalty as a factor in determining free agent contracts and who to keep.

If Jerry hadn't been a narcistic egomaniac, he could have elevated Jimmy to GM with a really nice contract and Jimmy would have extended the dynasty at least another 5 seasons.

Difficult to prove but based on his statements and tendencies, I believe Jimmy would not have given Emmitt a 3rd contract. I believe also that he would have groomed a viable replacement for Aikman upon his retirement. He would not have signed Deion Sanders but, then, he wouldn't have needed to.

Jimmy Johnson would have stayed away from glitzy trades or signings. There would have been no Joey Galloway or Roy Williams, traded for with a combined three #1 and a #2 picks in the draft, Jimmy would have drafted players instead that would ultimately have contributed more.

Jimmy didn't speak about playing for another team until Jerry tried to rewrite history and began to publicly disrespect Jimmy.

The scout who discovered Larry Allen, Tom Ciskowski, was a Jimmy Johnson employee from years back. You can bet that Jimmy knew everything about Larry Allen and definitely would have drafted that monster in the upcoming draft.

And for those who insist that his Miami years were proof he wasn't capable of prolonging the Cowboys dynasty, you need to understand that Jimmy didn't go into Miami with total authority to rebuild. First, he had to wait a year as Shula defiantly refused to retire. At least the Dolphins owner had the good sense to honor the success of his HC by respecting his wish to stay.

Secondly, once Johnson got in, he had to keep to his agreement not to cut the aging icon, Dan Marino. By his 2nd season, Jimmy Johnson converted the Dolphin defense into a #1 ranking statistically, but the offense remained average.

The reason you can't compare the two circumstances is that, in Miami, Jimmy had to build a great team once again. In Dallas , he had already built it and just had to maintain it. Does anyone truly believe he couldn't have done a better job than Jerry?