Stephen: We can win this thing with Dak

CowboyoWales

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,518
Reaction score
4,754
I like that and that is the honest truth. Dak is supposed to be a difference maker in the playoffs. And is getting paid to be able to make plays when the going gets tough. He ends up being the weakness on the whole team once the get into the playoffs. And no amount of superstars can carry a man who is choking.
The big difference between Dak Fans v Haters (which includes any of us that have concerns) is that the FAN cant pinpoint the issue, the excuse's are perpetually moving from one game to the next (WR's, running game, O-Line, game calling, scheme, injury).
 

Brax

Well-Known Member
Messages
7,417
Reaction score
8,443
The Chiefs have 5 Conference Championship trips, 3 Super Bowl appearances, and 2 Super Bowl wins in the past 5 years.

Stephen bragging about that regular season success is embarrassing.
What else does he have. He’s propping up Dak and trying to sell a failed QB to fans that he’s getting ready to give a big extension to because winning regular season games in one of the weakest divisions is good enough to keep the $$$$ rolling in, just as good as KC, talk about delusional you just have to laugh
 

MountaineerCowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
29,438
Reaction score
73,017
What else does he have. He’s propping up Dak and trying to sell a failed QB to fans that he’s getting ready to give a big extension to because winning regular season games in one of the weakest divisions is good enough to keep the $$$$ rolling in, just as good as KC, talk about delusional you just have to laugh
The sad part is all you have to do is read around here for a few minutes and see that many have bought what he's sold them.

They curse the Joneses in one breath, but 100% support their belief in Dak.

It's a very confused and delusional fanbase we have.
 

McKDaddy

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,590
Reaction score
10,280
Serious question
So many are throwing rocks and bashing Stephen and RIGHTFULLY so but that's not fixing the problem. Kinda like your own kid or employee making a huge mistake. You can yell, bash him, and curse him until he/she is blue in the face but guess what, the problem is still there.

We have a starting QB who likely has hit his ceiling, coming off the worst season of his career..............with a $50M cap hit, $89M dead cap. My question......how would fix the problem? or what can we do? At the end of the day you still 50+ players expecting an answer.

My take, it would not surprise me if Jerry, Stephen and the coaches are just as angry and frustrated as the fans but realize this mess can't be fixed w/o Dak and Todd France. I mean do we expect Stephen to tick Dak off knowing how much he's needed? Hell no, bite your tongue, message it, clean it up, and move on as quickly as possible.
I completely agree that FO's are often forced to say one thing while believing another. Unfortunately, we have seen this family double & triple down on bad decisions many times. Which makes you think they didn't understand they were bad decisions at any point in the process.
 

PAPPYDOG

There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!
Messages
20,051
Reaction score
34,544
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
What else does he have. He’s propping up Dak and trying to sell a failed QB to fans that he’s getting ready to give a big extension to because winning regular season games in one of the weakest divisions is good enough to keep the $$$$ rolling in, just as good as KC, talk about delusional you just have to laugh
This franchise is headed to the toilet if, in fact, they give Prescott a long extension.
Yes, laughter is the only item on the Menu when the Jones family is hosting the barbeque!
 

zekecowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,145
Reaction score
2,460
if they extend him with a raise, all that does is push more $ to the end of that extension.
So if they get rid of him later on there would be all that $ to consider. It is a cycle that is going to kill the team for few years at some point.
Better to deal with it now than later, let contract play out.
They could then tank in 24 and get a high round 1 pick.
Tank in 2023 and hope Caleb Williams comes out for 24 draft.
 

Jake

Beyond tired of Jerry
Messages
36,067
Reaction score
84,352
Serious question
So many are throwing rocks and bashing Stephen and RIGHTFULLY so but that's not fixing the problem.
The problem is an owner who appointed himself, and his son, in charge of personnel - including players - for life.

We have no power to fix the problem, so who else are we supposed to bash other than Jerry & Stephen Jones?

I'm not going to bash any player for taking millions of dollars offered to them by the Jones boys. If we're being honest with ourselves, we'd take that money as well.

Dak and Zeke didn't write their contracts. They just signed what the idiots in charge offered them. We'd have all done the same.

I'll criticize their on-field performance, but they'd have been fools to not take the money offered to them.
 

Hadenough

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,001
Reaction score
13,462
Dak and Zeke didn't write their contracts. They just signed what the idiots in charge offered them.
Dak and Zeke didn't agree to what the owner offered them. They agreed with their agent to ask for way more than their actually worth and don't negotiate. The Owner was too afraid to say no. Zekes contract is not killing the team. They can absorb that but Daks contract is a problem. The fact that he also wouldn't do a long term deal and the no trade clause has Dallas hogtied for this season. Daks performance against the 49ers the last two years he should be giving that money back.
 

DandyDon52

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,624
Reaction score
16,514
Tank in 2023 and hope Caleb Williams comes out for 24 draft.
Well jones boys and MM think 23 is a SB year now, and even in 24 same thing lol, and jerry would never tank on purpose.
back in 2015 when romo was hurt, would have been a good year to tank but jerry was trying to still get in playoffs and winning meaningless games at end of season.
did it again when dak broke ankle.
 

triplets_93

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,994
Reaction score
6,467
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35747137

"I've got all the faith in the world we can win this thing with Dak," Jones said from the scouting combine in Indianapolis."



Why?

"Because we know him. We know what he's about. His leadership skills are undeniable. Impeccable work ethic," Jones said. "Other than he hadn't won some key playoff games, he's everything you want in a quarterback. From the day he walked in the door, he's won a lot of games. We just got to get over the hump."

Prescott is set to count $49.2 million against the 2023 salary cap. He is signed through 2024. If the Cowboys restructure Prescott's contract this year, they can create up to $22 million in cap space. With an extension, they could create even more room.

"We've got to have a plan to ultimately extend Dak," Jones said.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
24,339
Reaction score
21,342
"We've got to have a plan to ultimately extend Dak," Jones said.
All Barnum and Bailey clown show, until "ultimately".

Critical juncture for the team. Either it's go all in on Dak, or make him prove it.

That "ultimately" gives me hope they will make him prove it. I had assumed the extension was a foregone conclusion.
 

CowboyoWales

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,518
Reaction score
4,754
All Barnum and Bailey clown show, until "ultimately".

Critical juncture for the team. Either it's go all in on Dak, or make him prove it.

That "ultimately" gives me hope they will make him prove it. I had assumed the extension was a foregone conclusion.
Yep, as @Hawkeye0202 mentioned (and I agree with), there was something in the way that Dak performed in the 49ers game that left a scar and seriously questions whether he has acumen to be a leader at the highest level.

It's shocking how he was a week away from the Buccs game (undoubtably one of the best games of his career) and even played well in 1st half vrs 49ers, but Pollard goes down, throws a pick next play and then composure meltdown.

Im with you he needs to dispel concerns about whether he's a leader or just an arm chair QB relying on the good roster around him.
 

tromofan

Well-Known Member
Messages
316
Reaction score
330
The Chiefs have 5 Conference Championship trips, 3 Super Bowl appearances, and 2 Super Bowl wins in the past 5 years.

Stephen bragging about that regular season success is embarrassing.
Andy Reid and the Hunt family versus Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy and the Jones's.
That's the biggest reason we haven't enjoyed that kind of success.
 

MountaineerCowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
29,438
Reaction score
73,017
Andy Reid and the Hunt family versus Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy and the Jones's.
That's the biggest reason we haven't enjoyed that kind of success.
I mean, yeah, but Andy Reid was not the Andy Reid we think of now until Mahomes came to town.

He was considered a failure that couldn't win the big one.
 
Top