Steve McNair Found Dead *Officially Ruled Murder-Suicide*

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What do you suppose the % of pro athletes that have a kept women? The funny thing is, when it comes out, you find out they didn't even try to hide it in most cases. Roger Clemens reportedly flew Mindy McCready around to games with him. Many, many other cases over the years have come out of brazen cheating by these athletes. Then people are shocked when things like this happen. Zaxor said it earlier in the thread. Stick your foot in a bear trap....................

Wow I didn't see this post before I posted mine..I say 75% have a girl on the side. When your a star athlete, having a wife is just for show. It's shows your a "family man" and your settled in with kids. It's a complete joke. Most of the wives are money grubbin goldiggers anyway and put up with the cheating because of their luxury life and they get a 3 million dollar ring when it goes public.
 

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I don't know the details around this case, other than he was shot four times and the woman once (the way they last described it on NFLnetwork it seemed like she'd shot him and then herself but I don't know that or anything), and I really am not interested in reading back through the pages of speculation and off hand comments in this thread to see if there was a lot more information released.

I'll just say it's a very sad situation for the family and friends of the two involved and that its a shame, whatever their relationship was, or wasn't, that their lives ended in this manner, no matter who did the killing, and that they've got family and friends who are left here to deal with the sadness and grief.

My thoughts and prayers continue to go out to those who are most effected by this situation.
 

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Commentary: In his football career, McNair was a pro’s pro
By RICHARD JUSTICE Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle

July 5, 2009, 12:30AM

There was the time Steve McNair underwent surgery to repair a broken chest bone. Doctors inserted wire to help the bone heal and sent him off to recover.

Under no circumstances was McNair to play football. But then Neil O’Donnell got hurt, and McNair did what he always did. He answered the bell for his teammates and his franchise and his coaches and the people who cared about the Tennessee Titans.

Later, the Pittsburgh Steelers would tell of hitting McNair and hearing him wheeze through the wire, hearing him groan and then watching him get up and run another play. McNair was in unimaginable pain that afternoon, yet he wouldn’t come out of the game.

He led the Titans to a victory, and that was around the time he had talked to Jeff Fisher about quitting football because he was tired of being booed, tired of being the guy who was never quite good enough.

He got huge cheers the following week after fans learned what he had endured to beat the Steelers, and that was pretty much the end of people’s questioning Steve McNair about anything.

He’s gone now, at 36, via a tabloid death. He died of multiple gunshot wounds along with a woman not his wife.

He’s a reminder to us all that we put the wrong people on pedestals, that running fast and jumping high defines one only narrowly.

Being brilliant in the fourth quarter of a close game doesn’t make one a great husband or father.

So as we honor a great athlete who touched hundreds and lived his public life with grace and dignity, we are reminded that men have flaws.

Super Bowl thriller

McNair would be the NFL’s co-MVP that year he beat the Steelers, and he got the Titans within inches of taking a Super Bowl into overtime.

Back when the Oilers were evaluating him before the draft, there were questions about whether a kid who had run the shotgun at Alcorn State could play quarterback in the NFL. Unspoken, of course, was whether a black kid from the Southwestern Athletic Conference was smart enough to be a winning quarterback in the NFL.

Yes, it was a white boy’s position at that time.

The Oilers talked to McNair’s coaches and teammates, and the more they heard about him, the more they were impressed.

A psychiatrist who evaluated him confirmed that everything the Oilers thought they knew about McNair as a leader was absolutely correct.

As for intelligence, the Oilers gave him basic football tests and discovered he was a brilliant, instinctive player.

Back when the Oilers were our team, they brought in Chris Chandler to play quarterback while Jerry Rhome tutored McNair. At some point, center Mark Stepnoski was the first to say what plenty of others were saying privately. He wanted McNair on the field, and he wanted him immediately.

It wasn’t just the ability. Everyone could see McNair had great ability. It was something more than that. It was the way he carried himself, the way he interacted with teammates, the respect he garnered from those around him.

Charitable nature

He was that way with kids and with a lot of people who needed help. He had a charitable heart. If you needed something, he would be there with a smile and a handshake. He was a private person in a public business, accepting of the scrutiny but never seeking it.

Quarterbacks are different. From the earliest age, they’re the ones of whom the most is expected. They’re usually the toughest guys on the field and sometimes the smartest.

The best ones accept the blame when things go bad and deflect the credit when things go well. They’re the leaders in the locker room and the faces of franchises.

They’re some odd combination of labor and management, and there’s no other position in sports like quarterback.

The really good ones, the Steve McNairs and Peyton Mannings and Tom Bradys, play this role effortlessly. They’re the ones who own the room when they walk in. They don’t do it with words, but with a confidence and a presence everyone can sense.

McNair was like that. He was quiet, and he was tough as nails. He cared about his teammates.

He was a farm boy at heart. His teammates lifted weights; McNair baled hay on his farm.

In those first years with the Oilers, he got a call from an Alcorn teammate telling him about a Houston teen who was in trouble, who seemed about to be swallowed up by gangs and drugs.

Would Steve go see the kid, try to convince him he was headed down a bad road?

Vince Young has said McNair was one of the people who saved his life, and they became lifelong friends.

Last fall when Young quit on his team, McNair came back and talked to him again.

Measure of character

I don’t know what happened to McNair. I don’t know the circumstances of his death.

I just know there are layers to all of us, that none of us is perfect, that it’s foolish to paint someone with a single brush.

I also know Steve McNair cared about people and performed brilliantly and courageously on the football field. In the ways we should measure a professional athlete, there were few better than McNair.

I know he touched a lot of people in the right way, and today their hearts are breaking.

richard.justice@chron.com
 

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McNair's Once Impeccable Legacy Turns To Sex, Blood, Death

Posted Jul 05, 2009 8:40PM By Jay Mariotti (RSS feed)
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Any notion of transparency is believed only by the naive.

Whatever glowing perceptions we have of a public figure, particularly in sports, too often are exposed by lurking warts and skeletons. Just because Steve McNair made a remarkable commitment to community service -- in lockstep with a football career defined by his legendary toughness and tolerance for pain -- doesn't mean he led a perfect life.


In truth, he had a 20-year-old girlfriend on the side, a woman who worked as a waitress at a restaurant visited by McNair, his wife and their four sons. McNair and the girl, Sahel Kazemi, often hung out at his downtown condominium and her apartment. Sometimes, she would arrive home in a limousine, and, not long ago, her personal vehicle of choice curiously shifted from a Kia to a black 2007 Cadillac Escalade.
Only last Thursday, they were stopped by police inside that Escalade -- registered to her and McNair -- and she was arrested for driving under the influence and refusing to take a breath test, telling officers that she was high but not drunk. McNair wasn't charged and took a taxi from the scene, later bailing his girlfriend out of jail. Oh, and TMZ is circulating photos of the couple taken during a parasailing excursion earlier this year, when they were seen laughing and obviously having fun in their wet suits.

Said one of Kazemi's neighbors, Reagan Howard: "It was pretty obvious that she was taken with him."

And him with her.

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So when both were found covered in blood inside McNair's condo Saturday, victims of gunshot wounds, it should have reminded us to exercise restraint before assuming we know "our heroes" and liberally tossing around Man of the Year tributes. The shock of McNair's death, which the Nashville police are classifying as a homicide, comes in how it contradicts everything he was supposed to stand for. Happily-married family man? Charity prince of the mid-South? A pillar of a Bible Belt community since he arrived in 1997, helping to stabilize a franchise that had moved from Houston and was on wobbly ground before McNair injected hope?

Suddenly, sadly, that is not how we're going to immediately remember him. Instead, it's one of the most grisly cases yet in that all-too-common drama, "CSI: NFL." The question: Who murdered Steve McNair and a girlfriend who was almost half his age? "While it is clear McNair's death is a homicide, the police department is not classifying Kazemi's death, pending further investigation and interviews with persons who knew her and McNair," Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said Sunday. "We can't be close-minded. All scenarios are on the table."

Was a lover's quarrel involved? "That's a very important part of the investigation as we work to ultimately classify Miss Kazemi's death," said Aaron, who confirmed that the McNair and Kazemi had been in a "dating relationship for the past several months."

They found a semi-automatic pistol under her body as she was sprawled on a living-room floor, one gunshot wound in the side of her head. McNair was on a couch and was shot four times, twice in the head and twice in the chest. Was this a double homicide? A murder-suicide?

Kazemi's sister said she couldn't have pulled a trigger. "She was a young girl who had so many dreams that they never came true," Sepideh Salmani told the Tennessean newspaper, adding that Kazemi believed that McNair was in the process of divorcing his wife, Mechelle, though there are no records of a divorce filing in Nashville. "She would never kill anyone, ever. Or anything. Not even a little bug. I want people to know that ... "All she was trying to do was have fun. Nothing else. I believe there is a third person involved."

Then we have Kazemi's former boyfriend, Keith Norfleet, stepping forward in the Tennessean with a revealing account of their past and McNair's relationship with her. According to Norfleet, they moved to Nashville from Jacksonville, Fla., and were an item for four years before breaking up five months ago. That was about when she began dating McNair after meeting at D ave & Buster's Grand Sports Cafe.


Norfleet said he warned her about dating a married man. What's most interesting is that Norfleet claims she was planning to break up with McNair and that Kazemi had visited Norfleet's apartment in the wee hours of Saturday morning, leaving before he could get to the door.

"She is the sweetest girl, and she did not deserve this," Norfleet told the newspaper. "He was making her believe they were going to be together and everything would be perfect. She was a very strong, independent girl. A hard worker. She had a huge heart. She was very caring, very loving."

For such a bizarre scenario, no one would have picked McNair as a co-victim. He was revered in the NFL as the tough-guy quarterback and black pioneer who rallied the Titans to within a yard of a Super Bowl championship in 2000. His college nickname at Alcorn State was "Air McNair," but he morphed into a Sunday warrior, absorbing so many hits with his in-the-pocket fearlessness and running prowess that pain became his regular companion. Some weeks, he couldn't practice and spent every day trying to get physically ready for Sunday. He was best known not for his rather moderate statistics but for his leadership and survivalism. That's why people are so stunned he is dead; it seemed he could live forever.

"I always described Steve as indestructible, and for me this is just a surreal kind of moment," said Frank Wycheck, McNair's former tight end in Tennessee. "I am very sad for Steve's family, and this is a time for reflection and to appreciate who Steve was. It is really just a kick in the gut to everybody. He played the game the way it was supposed to be played -- not for the glory, not for the press, not for the money, but because he was a true competitor and he wanted to prove a lot of people wrong. It was all about the love of the game ... and what he was giving back to the community."

"Steve was an absolute warrior as a player and brought that mind-set to the team," said another ex-teammate, Blaine Bishop.

"Whether he was hurt or not, he was going to give us everything he had. He was the toughest player I ever played with. The thing I'll always remember was whether it was a good or bad day on the field, the whole team -- offense and defense -- believed he would lead us to victory if we could just get the ball in his hands at the end of a game."

"If you were going to draw up a football player -- the physical part, mental part, everything about being a professional, he is your guy," ex-teammate Samari Rolle said. "I can't even wrap my arms around it."

No one can. Even when we've become immune to scandals and crisies in sports, this one made you stop everything on the Fourth of July -- hot dogs, fireworks, beer -- and wonder how in the hell Steve McNair was wound into such a tragedy. "It's kind of like disbelief, like somebody was playing a cruel April Fools' joke," said Kevin Dyson, a former Titans receiver. "It's just so surreal."

"The way I see it, it was the devil's work and not God's work," Lucille McNair, the late quarterback's mother, told the Tennessean.

But if you looked closely enough, which his beloved fans in Nashville were reluctant to do, you'd have noticed danger signs. In 2003, he was pulled over by police who said he had a blood-alcohol content level of .18 percent, more than twice the state's legal limit.

In the same episode, he faced charges of possessing a 9mm weapon.

Mysteriously, all charges were dropped. There was no public outcry at the time, as there would be for some athletes, because McNair was that revered. He was honored regularly for his direct involvement with the Steve McNair Foundation, his work with Boys and Girls Clubs, his Thanksgiving turkey deliveries to the needy and his tireless efforts after Hurricane Katrina.

"I will remember Steve's smile, his laugh, his ability to cook -- the man could cook -- and just the human being that he was," said Eddie George, the team's star running back during McNair's tenure. "We had some great times together, and he had a wonderful per sonality. The football thing was one thing and I remember his playing days, but just the human being. He brought so much joy to so many people. He was a consummate pro and he was a gentleman. He was a great father. He raised his boys very well, they are well behaved. His legacy will live on. We say goodbye to Steve in the human form, but his spirit and his memory will last forever. I'm here to celebrate my teammate and my friend and his life and support his family. We will see this through."

"I am deeply saddened and at this point do not have the words to describe this loss," Titans coach Jeff Fisher said. "It is an extremely emotional moment, and I don't have the words to explain how I am feeling. I ask people to please pray for the entire McNair family.

This is a tragic moment for his family, and it is a tragic moment for anyone who knew and loved Steve."

The story, of course, is only beginning. Long after the football tributes fade, we'll be asking how such a respected, beloved man winds up in a living room with bullets in his head and a dead 20-year-old hookup partner nearby. Isn't this possibly the 2009 version of O.J. Simpson, backwards? Years ago, ESPN ran a controversial series called "Playmakers," portraying the lives of players on a fictional football team. The subject matter was criticized roundly as too sensational -- steroids, cocaine, domes tic abuse, homosexuality -- and the NFL put so much pressure on the network that the show was yanked. But a month rarely passes without NFL life imitating canceled TV, with Donte Stallworth killing a man while driving drunk and getting off with only 24 days in the slammer. That was revolting.

What happened in Nashville was mind-blowing. And a lesson to all of us about the differences between a facade and reality
 

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nyc;2832794 said:
Women are Psycho! :laugh2:

This is what happens when you commit adultery. It opens you to all sorts of things that would not have happened had he been at home with his lawful spouse. No, he didn't deserve to be gunned down, but when you set out to do wrong, you can't always control the outcome.
 

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bbgun;2832803 said:
This is what happens when you commit adultery. It opens you to all sorts of things that would not have happened had he been at home with his lawful spouse. No, he didn't deserve to be gunned down, but when you set out to do wrong, you can't always control the outcome.

that and you go to hell eventually, but I digress
 

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bbgun;2832803 said:
This is what happens when you commit adultery. It opens you to all sorts of things that would not have happened had he been at home with his lawful spouse. No, he didn't deserve to be gunned down, but when you set out to do wrong, you can't always control the outcome.

That's the scary part.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2832398 said:
As a player I have nothing but respect for him.

As a person he's a complete coward snake!!

Just goes to show you that people that we think are idols and role models are acting like immature two faced fake people. 3/4 of married athletes have probably cheated on thier wife at one point. (see my sig). So I can't really be surprised.
It's not exactly a phenomenon exclusive to athletes.

It's probably more commonplace than not in today's society no matter who you are unfortunately.
 

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Doesn't really matter the reasons behind it, or what he was doing that might have led to it, the fact is that there are still people left behind, wife/kids/family/friends, who are the ones who really suffer and lose in this situation. They didn't ask for any of this and they didn't ask for him to be doing, whatever he was doing, with this other person that probably led to the end of both of their lives.

That's the really scary, and sad, part of a situation like this. The people that get left behind, to deal with the grief, who had absolutely zero control in any of it.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2832865 said:
Doesn't really matter the reasons behind it, or what he was doing that might have led to it, the fact is that there are still people left behind, wife/kids/family/friends, who are the ones who really suffer and lose in this situation. They didn't ask for any of this and they didn't ask for him to be doing, whatever he was doing, with this other person that probably led to the end of both of their lives.

That's the really scary, and sad, part of a situation like this. The people that get left behind, to deal with the grief, who had absolutely zero control in any of it.

Bring it home.
 

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Well if it turns out to be the gun she bought then we can rule out a spur of the moment thing, it had to be premeditated IMO.
 

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Big Dakota;2832983 said:
Well if it turns out to be the gun she bought then we can rule out a spur of the moment thing, it had to be premeditated IMO.

She could have gotten it for protection and then lost her mind and killed him in a rage.

Hard to say, though. Why would she kill her sugar daddy? Shes living in a nice place, driving a new car and having fun times with him. So she would kill him for not getting divorced fast enough? Seems unlikely.

Despite the appearances at the scene, I'm waiting for the evidence before passing judgment.
 

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Kangaroo;2833009 said:
Anyone here having flashback to the movie fatal attraction here

Michael Douglas never told Glenn Close that he would leave his wife, never bought her a car and didn't want anything to do with her after their liaison.

Not even close to the same situation.
 

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Was she still working as a waitress at the time of her death?
 
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