Steve McNair Found Dead *Officially Ruled Murder-Suicide*

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Aikbach;2833387 said:
Well, you know, they could've chosen not to glorify him; i didn't see OJ Simpson highlight reels while he was on trial for murder or Leonard Little sack reels while he faced double manslaughter charges or Dwayne Goodrich getting burned repeatedly on a loop after he went to prison for a hit and run, where was Rae Curruth's highlight reel after he murdered his girlfriend and the child in her womb?

Personally, I don't think cheating on your wife is anywhere close to double homicides, DUI Manslaughter and killing a pregnant woman?

All of us have done things we are not exactly proud of. Did Steve McNair "possibly" betray the trust of his wife and kids? Possibly, but I don't think it equates to the old adage, "He got what he deserved".

For all intents and purposes, overall the guy seems to have been a very decent guy but like most of us, had his own demons he constantly fought and sometimes succomb to them.

Just because he cheated on his wife, it shouldn't prevent those who knew him from letting everybody know of the good that he did.
 

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"He liked her so much because they would go shopping and stuff and she would want to spend her own money," Abdi said. "The reason he said he loves her is because she's not trying to use him like other girls. She was different from other girls he had been with."

No shock to me there.

This one though was a bit strange:

McNair had been dating Kazemi for several months. They were found dead by McNair's friend Wayne Neeley, who had rented the condo along with McNair. Neeley then called a friend, Robert Gaddy, who played at Alcorn State with McNair. Gaddy dialed 911.

Why in the heck would Neeley call a "friend" instead of 911? Any normal person would call 911 IMMEDIATELY unless he was concerned about something getting out.

There is more to this story I think...
 

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Maikeru-sama;2833644 said:
Personally, I don't think cheating on your wife is anywhere close to double homicides, DUI Manslaughter and killing a pregnant woman?

All of us have done things we are not exactly proud of. Did Steve McNair "possibly" betray the trust of his wife and kids? Possibly, but I don't think it equates to the old adage, "He got what he deserved".

For all intents and purposes, overall the guy seems to have been a very decent guy but like most of us, had his own demons he constantly fought and sometimes succomb to them.

Just because he cheated on his wife, it shouldn't prevent those who knew him from letting everybody know of the good that he did.
I didn't advocate his murder I simply said he literally went to bed with fire, he played a deceitful game and reaped some pretty ugly consequences. its not as though he were frolicking innocently in the park throwing seed at birds and then happened upon the wrong place at the wrong time, he was murdered by his secret 20 year old mistress in their secret rendezvous condo after lavishing her with gifts and making promises of commitment to her; he created the circumstances.

And I don't care how prevalent adultery is, it is still the act of vile scum.
His scummy behavior led to a murderous result in this instance, he invited a fatal attraction scenario upon himself.
 

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How Will Steve McNair Be Remembered?
Posted by Mike Florio on July 6, 2009 11:21 PM

At a time when NFL fans and observers are struggling both to come to grips with the death of former Ravens and Titans quarterback Steve McNair and to comprehend the double life he was leading, a key question has arisen.

How will McNair be remembered?

Jemele Hill of ESPN.com argues that our memories of McNair should focus on the good things, and that we should accept the fact that athletes and celebrities are susceptible to the same flaws that afflict many members of the population at large.


"Behind every wonderful athlete lurks a very fallible human condition," she writes. "And no matter how many football Sundays we spend with athletes, no matter how many wondrous tasks we see them performing, sports are only a brief snapshot of their life. . . .


"But at a time like this, we need to remember that athletes don't live inside our television sets, nor do they live in their uniforms. They live in the real world, where they are free to make mistakes just like the rest of us."

Nancy Gay, in her first column for Fanhouse, explains that the circumstances surrounding McNair's death shouldn't tarnish his legacy.

McNair's coach in Baltimore, however, realizes that the negative will forever taint the positive.

"It's a life lesson for all of us that all it takes is conduct in a certain way to wipe all that out," Brian Billick told WNST in Baltimore. "It will never remove the good things that he did with his life, but how he's perceived by the fans -- whether that has value or not -- that's irrecoverable. That asterisk is always going to be attached to it because of the tragic way his life ended."

We think that the reality will land somewhere in the middle. McNair's actions weren't so egregious (or, as high-profile millionaire athletes go, unusual) to undermine the manner in which his playing career should be remembered. That said, even those who chalk up as evidence of McNair's humanity his decision to cavort with a girl 16 years his junior while he had a wife and four sons at home will remain cognizant of the fundamental fact that he betrayed his family.

To be sure, pro athletes and celebrities have done far worse. But McNair's actions -- and their connection to his demise -- necessarily will tarnish his overall reputation as a football player and as a man.

As Jamie Dukes of NFLN pointed out last week, players are human beings, and as such they will make mistakes. But this doesn't mean that their mistakes should be ignored; the rest of us can learn valuable lessons from the errors of those whom we tend to idolize.

That's precisely why McNair's legacy fairly should consist of his full lifetime of behavior, good, bad, and otherwise.
 

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Dukes Offers Up The Hard Truth About Marriage In The NFL
Posted by Mike Florio on July 6, 2009 6:00 PM

Last week, we focused on a theory from NFL Network's Jamie Dukes regarding pro athletes who get in trouble.


We disagreed with Dukes' assumption that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell thinks he can create a league in which no player ever runs afoul of the law.

But we fully agree with Dukes' latest take, articulated in the wake of the shooting death of former NFL quarterback Steve McNair.


"When you marry, hanging with the fellas should be way down on the list," Dukes writes. "A weaning process has to take place whereby you begin gravitating away from spending time with your buddies and focusing on building a better relationship at home. . . .

"[T]he 'man' on the inside has to die. That man has to be kept in check. It has to stay grounded in reality. That man has to be aware of corrupting influences, which includes frenemies. At some point, that man has to realize hanging out with his buddies at a strip joint is not conducive to a positive situation at home."

Amen, Mr. Dukes. Hopefully, more than a few NFL players will heed his words.
 

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Bleu Star;2833093 said:
Remind me to never consider living in anything that resembles the glass house you occupy.

Oh boy. Here we go again with the glass house and high horse crap when anyone voices the opinion that they believe some things are wrong.

Just because you might think it's common, ok, cool, or the way of the world that men cheat on their wives doesn't mean everyone feels that way or should have to feel that way.

I don't care if every single married athlete in the HISTORY OF SPORTS cheated on their wives it DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.

It's not right regardless of who does it. Michael Jordan was a great basketball player, one of the best ever, but he ranks as bad husband in my book because he cheated on his wife.

There is no excuse for it. There is no defense of it. There is no way to explain to make it seem alright. If you cheat on your wife you're pathetic. Period.

If you don't want to be with a person anymore, man up, get a divorce, and then go wild and do what you please. But be a man and own up to it first, tell the woman you're not in love with her anymore, and then go out and have your fun.

Being a liar, and a cheat, doesn't make one cool and people thinking it's not right doesn't make them some sort of jerk.

This isn't some high schooler cheating on his girlfriend with one of the cheerleaders (which is still wrong, cheating is cheating, but none the less) we're talking about an adult and some one who should certainly know better and hold themselves a lot more accountable.

If you can't be faithful to one woman then heres a grand idea...DON'T GET MARRIED. Pretty simple, really.
 

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Oh boy. Here we go again with the glass house and high horse crap when anyone voices the opinion that they believe some things are wrong.

Just because you might think it's common, ok, cool, or the way of the world that men cheat on their wives doesn't mean everyone feels that way or should have to feel that way.

I don't care if every single married athlete in the HISTORY OF SPORTS cheated on their wives it DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.

It's not right regardless of who does it. Michael Jordan was a great basketball player, one of the best ever, but he ranks as bad husband in my book because he cheated on his wife.

There is no excuse for it. There is no defense of it. There is no way to explain to make it seem alright. If you cheat on your wife you're pathetic. Period.

If you don't want to be with a person anymore, man up, get a divorce, and then go wild and do what you please. But be a man and own up to it first, tell the woman you're not in love with her anymore, and then go out and have your fun.

Being a liar, and a cheat, doesn't make one cool and people thinking it's not right doesn't make them some sort of jerk.

This isn't some high schooler cheating on his girlfriend with one of the cheerleaders (which is still wrong, cheating is cheating, but none the less) we're talking about an adult and some one who should certainly know better and hold themselves a lot more accountable.

If you can't be faithful to one woman then heres a grand idea...DON'T GET MARRIED. Pretty simple, really.



Gotta agree with this one....
 

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BraveHeartFan;2833786 said:
Oh boy. Here we go again with the glass house and high horse crap when anyone voices the opinion that they believe some things are wrong.

Don't you hate that. :mad:
 

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BraveHeartFan;2833786 said:
Oh boy. Here we go again with the glass house and high horse crap when anyone voices the opinion that they believe some things are wrong.

Just because you might think it's common, ok, cool, or the way of the world that men cheat on their wives doesn't mean everyone feels that way or should have to feel that way.

I don't care if every single married athlete in the HISTORY OF SPORTS cheated on their wives it DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.

It's not right regardless of who does it. Michael Jordan was a great basketball player, one of the best ever, but he ranks as bad husband in my book because he cheated on his wife.

There is no excuse for it. There is no defense of it. There is no way to explain to make it seem alright. If you cheat on your wife you're pathetic. Period.

If you don't want to be with a person anymore, man up, get a divorce, and then go wild and do what you please. But be a man and own up to it first, tell the woman you're not in love with her anymore, and then go out and have your fun.

Being a liar, and a cheat, doesn't make one cool and people thinking it's not right doesn't make them some sort of jerk.

This isn't some high schooler cheating on his girlfriend with one of the cheerleaders (which is still wrong, cheating is cheating, but none the less) we're talking about an adult and some one who should certainly know better and hold themselves a lot more accountable.

If you can't be faithful to one woman then heres a grand idea...DON'T GET MARRIED. Pretty simple, really.

I never said it was right. I just love it when the holier than thous come out to flock to a situation. I simply pointed out that I have been close to the pulse and seen how NFL players conduct themselves both with their sig oths and when alone in the presence of "the guys". There are more Steve McNair types out there in the professional sports world than you could imagine. Great guys.. with demons... (very well stated btw Maikeru-sama)

Like we all know at age 20, 21, 22, whatever that we're "ready" for marriage... Toss a few million in our pockets and it really gets interesting...

I'm a really bad guy for partying along with them instead of telling then that instant how wrong it was to do some of the things they did in my presence. Shame on me. Thanks for helping me realize that BHF. ;)
 

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Don't be so quick to make McNair a hero
by Jason Whitlock
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9777174/Don't-be-so-quick-to-make-McNair-a-hero

We can quit calling Steve McNair a great leader now. Leadership starts at home.
And I'm no longer all that interested in hearing about the community service work McNair did in Tennessee and Mississippi. Service to community begins at home, too.

If you read this column regularly, you know I'm not the morality police, you know I'm far from bothered by McNair's May-December romance and you probably should've surmised I get my "Becky on" from time to time.

Stop reading now if your preference is sugar-coated, politically-correct, phony-*** pontificating. You can find plenty of that garbage littering the Internet.

I'm going to get knee deep in this Steve McNair tragedy and what it really signifies.

Until the police wrap up their investigation, I'm only willing to acknowledge four victims — McNair's four sons.

I don't know how to classify the adults in this saga — McNair, his wife Mechelle or his 20-year-old girlfriend, Sahel "Jenny" Kazemi.

The kids, they're victims of two horrific crimes: 1. the murder of their father; 2. their father's apparent abandonment so that he had time to wine, dine, vacation and shack up with his jump-off.

Let me repeat, I'm not some sanctimonious moralizer.

Personally, I prefer June-December romances, but a blossoming May flower certainly could be fertilized into a special, 28-year-old bouquet by a patient and attentive gardener.

As for the life-experience, station-in-life disparity between a retired millionaire quarterback and a Dave & Buster's waitress, well, let he who has never Captained cast the first hoe.

Every man I know has a little Captain in him. We see a pretty young thang working her way through nursing or cosmetology school and it's just in our nature to pay a cellphone bill, a car note or get her nails done.

t's what we do. And if you've earned a chunk of change in professional sports or in corporate America, you might buy a big black Escalade in her name, fly her to Vegas or go parasailing over the ocean.

It's not a black or white thing. It's not an athlete thing. It's a man thing we haven't been able to shake since Eve gave us an apple.

The look of pure, unadulterated joy on McNair's face captured as he and Jenny parasailed is one every real man recognizes as the uncontrollable feeling of elation that gushes through the male, middle-aged body when he finds the Tenderoni Bobby Brown sang about.

Do not read this as me condoning McNair's extramarital affair. I'm not.

But we don't know the nature of Steve and Mechelle McNair's relationship. We don't know what made them happy, what agreement they reached or what was transpiring in their marriage.

What we do know is that McNair had four sons. And based on the observations and comments of Kazemi's neighbors and neighbors at the condominium McNair rented, McNair spent so much time with Kazemi over the past few months that people assumed they lived together.

You see, this is my problem with McNair, with American men as a whole.

We shirk our responsibilities as fathers. We don't have time for it. We think it's a part- or no-time job. We think our career is more important. We think charity work is more important. We think some young tail is more important.

We foolishly believe we're unnecessary in the rearing of children. This mindset must die.

I pass no judgment on McNair kicking it with a woman 16 years his junior. I don't agree with it, but I pass no judgment on McNair "cheating" on his wife.

However, I think it's ridiculous and embarrassing that he spent so much time chasing after a Nashville waitress that he created the impression he lived with her.

Many have tried, but you can't maintain two homes, two families. If HBO has shown us anything, it's that kids are the losers when it comes to Big Love.

You can't live with a waitress in a condo/apartment, take her parasailing, clubbing, to Vegas and raise a brood of boys living in a home on the other side of town.

Kids are game-changers. Kids require sacrifice. Kids are a daily and sometimes hourly responsibility. You don't properly raise them in your spare time with money, fame, gifts and glowing newspaper and magazine stories about your courage to play on Sundays despite injury and pain.

Steve McNair sounds like a warrior who fought the wrong war. He won a public-relations battle.

He was so popular in Nashville that when his under-drinking-age "Becky" got popped driving her mistress ransom while drunk and/or high the police called a cab to give McNair, the Escalade passenger, a ride home.

This is the privilege of fame and inclusion in the boys club. We're so mentally diseased that we instinctively feel empathy and envy when we see a married father of four liquored up with his near-teenage girlfriend.

You know what the cop was thinking:

But for the grace of God, two-tenths of a second on my 40 time and the high school coach who made me play tight end rather than receiver, there go I.

Steve McNair was flawed in the same way as most American men.

Too many men think financial success is their primary and most important contribution to a relationship with their kids, wives and/or girlfriends. A grown woman has the right to settle for that. Children shouldn't have to settle for anything less than their father's very best effort.
 

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Bleu Star;2835119 said:
Nice find Avaj. J Whit nailed it.
Yet he agreed with the stance you have accused others of living in glass houses for.
 

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Hostile;2835136 said:
Yet he agreed with the stance you have accused others of living in glass houses for.

Not necessarily. He saw it from both sides while some on here just tossed stones. Big difference imo. I do agree. It's all about the kids. However, one cannot discount the reality of some things that happen every single day in that environment. Throwing stones won't stop the next guy from doing it. It just makes you look like you've never done wrong. Kudos to those that actually think anyone would believe they've never done wrong in their lives.
 

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Here's a chilling twist to this story.

Rapper's chilling lyrics eerily similar to McNair's murder

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 at 5:50pm By Ken Whitehouse , Sam Claycombe



One name that continues to surface in the ongoing investigation into the murder of Titans legend Steve McNair is that of Keith Norfleet, the ex-boyfriend of Sahel Kazemi.


Little has been revealed about Norfleet.

“As far as Mr. Norfleet is concerned, we had to interview him based on his... prior relationship with Ms. Kazemi,” Aaron said Monday. “Obviously he had certain thoughts about her relationship with Steve McNair. We needed to find out what he knew, what she may have told him in the past as we tried to put the pieces together. As far as the word ‘suspect’ is concerned, we really haven’t used the word suspect since the weekend.”

Norfleet attended Orange Park High, located outside of Jacksonville, Fla., with Kazemi. He reportedly moved from the Jacksonville area to Nashville with Kazemi not long ago.

On the day that McNair and Kazemi's bodies were discovered, Norfleet admitted that he had been by the condo that very day and said that he had been looking for her.

According to posted Web profiles, Norfleet lives in the Antioch area and is an aspiring rapper who goes by the name KaNe.

He has a personal Web page on SoundClick.com where he refers to himself as “antiochs finest,” and has posted 31 rap mixes, some of which appear to refer to Norfleet and Kazemi’s relationship.

One of those rap mixes has content that seems to raise even more questions about Norfleet.

In a rap based on Eminem's "Benzino Dis," using lyrics rewritten by Norfleet (retitled “Closed Casket”) and posted on Feb. 2 — after McNair and Kazemi had started dating — the aspiring rapper lets loose with some rhymes that are chilling to say the least. A partial transcript of the song is below and here is a link to hear the song in its entirety. (Some of the lyrics have explicit content.)

(Chorus)
"I don’t wanna be like this
I don’t really wanna hurt no feelings
But I’m only being real when I say
Nobody wanna see an old man collapse
And old men have heart attacks
I don’t wanna be responsible for that
So let the **** go and walk away
You can still have a little bit of dignity"

(Lyrics)
“I would never claim to be no
Benjamin Tebow, an 83-Year old fake Pacino
So how could he run his mouth about me
Knowing nothing about me

I love it when a ******* doubts me
Until I pull the pistol out proudly
Put the clip in his mouth
Til this ************ shouts, ‘please don’t kill’
Have you sippin through a straw for the next 8 months
That’s if you even make it through it alive you dumb ****

Try to stunt and front and fronting in front of somebody else
Til you're surrounded by 20 people With nobody’s help
IF you try to go incredible hulk it won’t work
Put so many holes in you your nerves won’t even jerk
Lurking in the shadows thinking and scheming of work
Got a little cocky so you decided to flirt
Now you’re flirting with death"

The final verse in the song set to Eminem's "Nail in the Coffin" instrumental track is as follows;

"If you ever do it again ***** I’m not rapping
I’m getting a clip and clapping and I’m not laughing
They’re wrapping you up for your little trip to the morgue
While I’m preparing for my trip to the shore,
Don’t ignore me, I’m not lying, I couldn’t be more honest
If you ever do it again, you’ll die, I promise.”

The discovery of the song by NashvillePost.com and The City Paper staff today shows eerie connections to the case. Metro Police have stated on more than one occasion that Norfleet is not a suspect.
 

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Bleu Star;2835152 said:
Not necessarily. He saw it from both sides while some on here just tossed stones. Big difference imo. I do agree. It's all about the kids. However, one cannot discount the reality of some things that happen every single day in that environment. Throwing stones won't stop the next guy from doing it. It just makes you look like you've never done wrong. Kudos to those that actually think anyone would believe they've never done wrong in their lives.
LOL

Whatever man.
 

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Hostile;2835171 said:
LOL

Whatever man.

:)

Wow.. That Norfleet stuff is very interesting. It is funny how the Nashville police have been mum about the suicide part... There could definitely be more to this.
 
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