Steve McNair Found Dead *Officially Ruled Murder-Suicide*

[burmafrd]

Just listened to Syrius again and they are STILL slobbering all over McNair. Refusing to say anything about how he died with that young girl since they do not have the "whole story". Really annoying.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Just listened to Syrius again and they are STILL slobbering all over McNair. Refusing to say anything about how he died with that young girl since they do not have the "whole story". Really annoying.

So just because he "may have" been cheating on his wife, it should prevent them from talking about some of his better qualities?

Seems syrius is being prudent and awaiting more information, which isn't the norm in the 24 hour news age.

 

[burmafrd]

So just because he "may have" been cheating on his wife, it should prevent them from talking about some of his better qualities?

Seems syrius is being prudent and awaiting more information, which isn't the norm in the 24 hour news age.

If they were not using just about 2/3 of each hour extolling his leadership and his work in the community and so on- while at the same time any caller asking
questions about why was he in the room with a 20 year old girl that he had bought that Cadillac for not to mention the other questions gets immediatly attacked and shut downcoming I might agree with you. Its a clear case of attempted whitewash- and its not like McNair was not known for catting around on his wife before.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I never said it was right. I just love it when the holier than thous come out to flock to a situation. I simply pointed out that I have been close to the pulse and seen how NFL players conduct themselves both with their sig oths and when alone in the presence of "the guys". There are more Steve McNair types out there in the professional sports world than you could imagine. Great guys.. with demons... (very well stated btw Maikeru-sama)

Like we all know at age 20, 21, 22, whatever that we're "ready" for marriage... Toss a few million in our pockets and it really gets interesting...

I'm a really bad guy for partying along with them instead of telling then that instant how wrong it was to do some of the things they did in my presence. Shame on me. Thanks for helping me realize that BHF.

Find where I said there weren't a lot of athletes that do this.

Find where I said he was a horrible person, and the most disgusting person ever, for cheating on his wife.

You won't find it cause I didn't say it. If he cheats that makes him a pathetic husband. Period. It doesn't make him less human, it doesn't make him a demon, it makes him flawed like everyone.

Just because everyone is flawed doesn't mean I, or anyone else, has to be quiet and not say anything.

The guy was obviously quite the generous dude in his community, and with helping others, and I give him kudos for that.

However he's a piss poor husband and a piss poor father. That right there, rather you think it's cool cause loads of others do it, is the bottom line. He had children and not only did he spit in the face of his wife, by cheating, but he pissed all over his children by doing the same thing.

he wasn't man enough, in his commitment as a father and husband, to do the right thing. Period. You can sugar coat it anyway you like because so many other athletes do it.

So get off the 'i had my hand on the pulse' junk. It doesn't take a genius to know that athletes and celebrities cheat. It's common sense and it's no less pathetic than when a poor, unknown, dude does it.

And yes, quite frankly, if your out partying with your boys and you see one of them cheating on their wives and you don't say anything to them about it, or condone it, then you're just as bad at that particular part of life as they are.

Does that make you a horrible person? No.

Yet he agreed with the stance you have accused others of living in glass houses for.

Yeah but he did so while throwing in the all so important 'but hey it's ok cause they all do it' thing.

Not necessarily. He saw it from both sides while some on here just tossed stones. Big difference imo. I do agree. It's all about the kids. However, one cannot discount the reality of some things that happen every single day in that environment. Throwing stones won't stop the next guy from doing it. It just makes you look like you've never done wrong. Kudos to those that actually think anyone would believe they've never done wrong in their lives.

I'd like you to point out where anyone, ever, on this forum has ever said they've never done anything wrong when they call someone else out for doing something wrong.

Keeping your mouth shut about a piss poor decision, or bad situation, just because you've done something wrong in your life is frankly stupid.

So the next time you see a person about to drive drunk you're not going to say something because you've made mistakes in your life?

Maybe if you've got a son and he grows up, gets married, and you see that he's thinking about straying, or he tells you he's had these thoughts, you're not going to say anything to him because, hey, you made mistakes?

Great idea there. Why doesn't everyone just bury their head in the sand and say, hey it happens every day. I've made some mistakes in my life so I'm just not going to say anything cause I wouldn't want to offend those who think it's cool to **** up and have no one say anything about it.

Next time a person gets arrested for being a rapist I hope you're at the court house singing the virtues of no one sending him to jail, or saying anything bad about him, because they too have made mistakes in their lives.


Obviously cheating on his wife isn't in the same realm as drinking and driving or rape but the point remains that in your opinion people who aren't perfect, which would be everyone, shouldn't say a word about the mistakes anyone else makes.

Maybe if Steve had some real friends who get tell him "bro this is a mistake and will lead to nothing but trouble", instead of his 'boys' hanging out with him, and jocking his nuts, saying "Hey dude that's awesome! Everyone whose got money does it! Great move." then maybe his kids wouldn't have to grow up without their father.

But I guess that shouldn't matter, right? I mean so many other athletes are doing it kids so you can't really be upset, or hurt, or question why your father would make these decisions.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/08/mcnair.shooting/index.html

Medical examiner: McNair killing likely murder-suicide

By Wayne Drash

(CNN) -- A medical examiner says the killing of NFL quarterback Steve McNair was most likely murder-suicide carried out by his girlfriend.

McNair, 36, and Sahel Kazemi, 20, were found fatally shot in a condominium in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday afternoon. McNair was shot twice in the head and twice in the chest, and Kazemi was shot once in her right temple, authorities said.

Dr. Feng Li, the assistant medical examiner who has been handling the case, said preliminary results from the autopsy and crime scene are "all indicating that she killed Mr. McNair and killed herself."

"I'll say greater than 95 percent," Li told CNN when asked how confident he was with the findings. "It's almost an assured thing. We have to be convinced otherwise."

He said Kazemi was found face down in the condo with the gun underneath her. The autopsy indicates she shot herself once through her right temple and fell face down at the feet of McNair, who was shot on a couch.

The type of gun used was a medium-caliber semiautomatic handgun, he said. Authorities are still awaiting further tests before officially ruling it as murder-suicide.

"We want to be as thorough and as detailed as possible," Li said. "It's very hard for everybody involved. ... Our thoughts and prayers go to the families."

Police have planned a news conference for Wednesday afternoon.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/08/mcnair.shooting/index.html

Medical examiner: McNair killing likely murder-suicide

By Wayne Drash

(CNN) -- A medical examiner says the killing of NFL quarterback Steve McNair was most likely murder-suicide carried out by his girlfriend.

McNair, 36, and Sahel Kazemi, 20, were found fatally shot in a condominium in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday afternoon. McNair was shot twice in the head and twice in the chest, and Kazemi was shot once in her right temple, authorities said.

Dr. Feng Li, the assistant medical examiner who has been handling the case, said preliminary results from the autopsy and crime scene are "all indicating that she killed Mr. McNair and killed herself."

"I'll say greater than 95 percent," Li told CNN when asked how confident he was with the findings. "It's almost an assured thing. We have to be convinced otherwise."

He said Kazemi was found face down in the condo with the gun underneath her. The autopsy indicates she shot herself once through her right temple and fell face down at the feet of McNair, who was shot on a couch.

The type of gun used was a medium-caliber semiautomatic handgun, he said. Authorities are still awaiting further tests before officially ruling it as murder-suicide.

"We want to be as thorough and as detailed as possible," Li said. "It's very hard for everybody involved. ... Our thoughts and prayers go to the families."

Police have planned a news conference for Wednesday afternoon.

sad...

 

[Big Dakota]

Report: Tests suggest murder-suicide


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A Tennessee state medical examiner says preliminary testing suggests the deaths of former NFL quarterback Steve McNair and girlfriend Sahel Kazemi were a murder-suicide, The (Nashville) Tennessean reported Wednesday.
Feng Li, an assistant medical examiner who conducted the autopsies, said he will wait for the investigation to be closed before he completes the death certificate. However, he said the initial results point toward that conclusion.
"The results were very consistent in supporting our decision," Li said, according to the report.
Gunshot residue and ballistics testing were also consistent with a ruling of murder-suicide, Li said, according to the report.
"With the lab tests to be obtained combined with the autopsy findings, we will put a final opinion on the death certificate," Li said, according to the report.
McNair and Kazemi were found shot to death Saturday. Tennessee's state medical examiner had said investigators had been hesitant to conclude that Kazemi killed the three-time Pro Bowl quarterback and herself because she didn't appear to have a motive, but that murder-suicide is the most likely scenario.
Police have already ruled McNair's death a homicide.
Tuesday, the man who reported McNair's death to 911 defended his close friend, saying McNair and his wife put their Nashville home on the market because they were looking for a new house -- and chastising those who think otherwise.
"People need to quit talking about what they don't know," Robert Gaddy, who played football with McNair at Alcorn State, told The Tennessean. "Mac never said anything to me about he was going to get a divorce, and ever since this has all happened everybody is trying to paint a certain picture and they need to talk about what they know."
According to The Tennessean, the McNairs were looking for a new home for some time. A real estate agent told the newspaper he showed the couple another house more than six months ago.
Kazemi's family told reporters that the woman was so confident McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years that she was preparing to sell her furniture and move in with the former quarterback.
"People can have all the theories they want, but we haven't even put my man to rest yet or put him in the ground," Gaddy told the paper. "Show some respect for the family. It's crazy."
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

 

[burmafrd]

The manner in which McNair was shot suggested strong emotions. two shots to the body, one to the head then the last shot right on the temple. the traditional "coup de grace" (hopefully got that right).

So with the word that powder burns were on her hands it seems pretty cut and dried now.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Police: McNair Death Officially Ruled Murder-Suicide
Posted by Aaron Wilson on July 8, 2009 3:50 PM

Nashville Police Chief Ronal Serpas officially announced minutes ago that former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was shot and killed by his 20-year-old girlfriend, Sahel Kazemi, in a murder-suicide.

Gunpowder residue was found on the fingerprints of Kazemi. There was no sign of a struggle, and it's believed that McNair was sleeping at the time he was shot in a downtown Nashville condo.

Investigators believe McNair was sleeping on the sofa when he was shot in the right temple by Kazemi then twice in the chest before she shot him in the left temple. Then, Kazemi shot herself in the right temple and died.

It's believed that Kazemi attempted to shoot herself so she would fall into McNair's lap, but she fell to the floor instead. The time of the shootings has been estimated between 1 a.m. and 1:45 a.m.

"After nearly four days of intensive investigation, we have determined that Steve McNair was murderd by Sahel Kazemi and Sahel Kazemi killed herself," Serpas said during a packed press conference. "The totality of the evidence clearly points to a murder-suicide.

"All five shell casings match the weapon, all five bullets were recovered and match the gun. Gunpowder residue was found on her left hand, not enough for a conclusive result. There was none on McNair's hands."

There were no defensive wounds on McNair, so it's believed that he was sleeping when he was shot and killed.

According to the police, Kazemi had told friends that she was thinking about killing herself in the days prior to the incident. She had suspected that McNair was seeing another woman.

Police confirmed that Kazemi's former boyfriend, Keith Norfleet, has been ruled out as a suspect.

During the press conference, Serpas indicated that Kazemi had told associates that her life was "all messed up" and that she was going to "end it all."

"We do believe there was evidence that her life was spinning out of control," Serpas said.

Financial problems were referenced, including car payments on the black Cadillac Escalade that McNair was the co-owner of as well as another car in Kazemi's name. Plus, Kazemi's roommate was moving out, which would double her current rent payment.

"We believe she had recently learned that McNair was involved with another woman," Serpas said.

Serpas added that Kazemi had attempted to follow the other woman, but didn't identify her.

Investigators believe that Kazemi had bought the gun in the Dave & Busters parking lot. Kazemi was too young to legally buy a gun, but it was a private transaction and her age may not have been known by the unnamed man who sold her the gun.

According to Serpas, the man who sold Kazemi the gun didn't remember her explaining any motive for buying the gun.

McNair died at the age of 36. He is survived by his wife, Mechelle McNair, and four sons.

Police shared their findings this afternoon with Mechelle McNair prior to today's press conference.

McNair's friend, Wayne Neely, who discovered the bodies and called another McNair friend, Robert Gaddy, instead of calling 911, acknowledged that he moved one of the five shell casings, but it was recovered by police.

The police don't believe that Neely tampered with the evidence or the bodies.

The police are waiting for toxicology results to determine whether there were any drugs involved. No drugs or drug paraphernalia was discovered at the scene.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Norfleet Sent E-mail To Media Regarding McNair And Kazemi
Posted by Mike Florio on July 8, 2009 2:03 PM

Here's yet another interesting detail regarding the events that unfolded in the day or two before former Titans and Ravens quarterback Steve McNair and his girlfriend, 20-year-old Sahel "Jenny" Kazemi were found dead.

Roughly four hours after Kazemi was arrested for DUI in the early morning hours of Thursday, July 2, her on-again, off-again boyfriend Keith Norfleet sent an e-mail to the Tennessean, apparently aimed at publicly exposing McNair's affair with Kazemi.

We've gleaned most of the text of the e-mail from the image of it contained in WSMV.com's video report. (Based on the still image, Chris Echegaray of the Tennessean apparently forwarded the e-mail to WSMV; curiously, the Tennessean had not previously mentioned the e-mail from Norfleet.) Here's what it says:

"Steve McNair was involved in another dui case tonight in downtown Nashville. He was riding with someone I know that actually got the dui and he hopped out of the car real quick and got a cab home because I guess he was too drunk to drive himself and yea you would be pretty amazed at the fact of who he was actually with which I really don't think his wife would like it too much either being the fact she was a 20 year old young girl claiming to be his girlfriend. I thought he was married? Hmmm . . . This is completely legit too. I know because I'm the person that come to pick he car up for the person that got the dui and the cop told me the whole story so I don't know if this is interesting news or not to you guys but I thought you might like to know."

Wow.

Keep in mind that this e-mail was sent within "hours" after the arrest, and that Kazemi supposedly purchased the gun that was found at the scene within "hours" after the arrest.

Speaking of the gun, when will the police disclose how she got it?. They have been cryptic at best on this point. But they surely know how and where (and from whom) she obtained the weapon.

Norfleet likely knows as well, especially since he was doing his best to drive a wedge between McNair and Kazemi by publicizing their relationship at about the same time the gun was being bought.

And let's not forget the arresting officer. You know, the same guy who arrested McNair for DUI in 2003, and who later was disciplined for repeatedly asking McNair to submit to breath testing after he had refused? Norfleet indicates in his e-mail that the officer "told me the whole story."

We'd still love to know exactly what he said, both to Norfleet and to Kazemi.

Maybe we'll find out more when police disclose the supposedly "new evidence" later today.

 

[Faerluna]

http://sports.myway.com/news/07082009/v1685.html

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif]NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -Former NFL star Steve McNair was shot dead in his sleep last week by a 20-year-old girlfriend distraught about mounting financial problems and her belief that he was seeing someone else, police said Wednesday.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] Investigators may never know why Kazemi shot McNair four times as he dozed on a sofa early Saturday before turning the gun on herself, Police Chief Ronal Serpas said.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] But interviews with friends revealed that she was making payments on two cars, her rent was doubling and she suspected the married McNair was having a second affair with another young woman.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] She told a friend on Friday that "My life is a ball of s--- and I should end it," Serpas said.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] Police earlier had labeled McNair's death a homicide, but waited for further tests and the revelations about Kazemi's personal problems before concluding that she pulled the trigger in a condominium McNair rented with a friend.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] McNair, 36, a quarterback for the Tennessee Titans most of his career, met Kazemi six months ago at a restaurant where she was a waitress and his family often ate. She seemed happy and eager to build a life with him, but something went wrong.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] "We do know that she was clearly sending a message during the last five to seven days of her life that things were going bad quickly," Serpas said, though there was no indication she told anyone she planned to harm McNair.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] Serpas said detectives learned that Kazemi recently found out about another young woman she thought McNair was romantically involved with and had even followed that woman home, though she did not confront her.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] Serpas said police believe McNair was asleep when he was killed because there were no defensive wounds. After shooting McNair in the head, Kazemi apparently shot him twice in the chest before shooting him again in the head and then shooting herself. The gun was found underneath her.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] She sat next to his body and tried to position herself to fall into his lap when she died. She did, but her body slid to the floor and ended up at McNair's feet, Serpas said. The gun was found underneath her.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] Kazemi's family told reporters that the woman was so confident McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years that she was preparing to sell her furniture and move in with him.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] But associate Mike Mu, who has worked with McNair's charitable association for years, said McNair's wife, Mechelle McNair, "didn't know who this girl is." No records of divorce proceedings have surfaced.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] Two days before the shooting, police stopped Kazemi driving the Cadillac Escalade sport utility vehicle that McNair had given her for her birthday in May.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] According to an arrest affidavit, Kazemi had bloodshot eyes and alcohol on her breath. She refused a breath test and told an officer "she was not drunk, she was high." She was charged with DUI. McNair was with her but not charged. He later made her bail.
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[FONT=verdana,sans-serif] Serpas said that even though both her name and McNair's were on the Cadillac's title, she was apparently responsible for making payments. She was also making payments on another car after she couldn't sell it.[/FONT]

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ok...now...let me ask this...how does she get angry about another woman?

I've never got that. Honestly how does a chick, or a dude for that matter, get pissed off at their married lover for 'having another woman/man' on the side besides them?

I mean, seriously? If the person is going to cheat on their husband/wife with you doesn't it stand to reason that there is a good chance they'd do it with someone else?

I've never gotten that. How a person who is cheating on someone else, with them, can then get mad when that person turns around and cheats on them as well. Shouldn't you sort of expect that at that point?

Wow. Just wow.

Very sad situation, all around, for the friends and family of those two because none of those folks asked for this to happen. Really it's a very sad situation when it could have been very easily avoided.

 

[bbgun]

The ex-boyfriend sounds like a real nutjob. Then again, he's the poster child for mental health compared to her. If he intended to kill her in a jealous rage, he's too late.

 

[Bleu Star]

Find where I said there weren't a lot of athletes that do this.

Find where I said he was a horrible person, and the most disgusting person ever, for cheating on his wife.

You won't find it cause I didn't say it. If he cheats that makes him a pathetic husband. Period. It doesn't make him less human, it doesn't make him a demon, it makes him flawed like everyone.

Just because everyone is flawed doesn't mean I, or anyone else, has to be quiet and not say anything.

The guy was obviously quite the generous dude in his community, and with helping others, and I give him kudos for that.

However he's a piss poor husband and a piss poor father. That right there, rather you think it's cool cause loads of others do it, is the bottom line. He had children and not only did he spit in the face of his wife, by cheating, but he pissed all over his children by doing the same thing.

he wasn't man enough, in his commitment as a father and husband, to do the right thing. Period. You can sugar coat it anyway you like because so many other athletes do it.

So get off the 'i had my hand on the pulse' junk. It doesn't take a genius to know that athletes and celebrities cheat. It's common sense and it's no less pathetic than when a poor, unknown, dude does it.

And yes, quite frankly, if your out partying with your boys and you see one of them cheating on their wives and you don't say anything to them about it, or condone it, then you're just as bad at that particular part of life as they are.

Does that make you a horrible person? No.




Yeah but he did so while throwing in the all so important 'but hey it's ok cause they all do it' thing.




I'd like you to point out where anyone, ever, on this forum has ever said they've never done anything wrong when they call someone else out for doing something wrong.

Keeping your mouth shut about a piss poor decision, or bad situation, just because you've done something wrong in your life is frankly stupid.

So the next time you see a person about to drive drunk you're not going to say something because you've made mistakes in your life?

Maybe if you've got a son and he grows up, gets married, and you see that he's thinking about straying, or he tells you he's had these thoughts, you're not going to say anything to him because, hey, you made mistakes?

Great idea there. Why doesn't everyone just bury their head in the sand and say, hey it happens every day. I've made some mistakes in my life so I'm just not going to say anything cause I wouldn't want to offend those who think it's cool to **** up and have no one say anything about it.

Next time a person gets arrested for being a rapist I hope you're at the court house singing the virtues of no one sending him to jail, or saying anything bad about him, because they too have made mistakes in their lives.


Obviously cheating on his wife isn't in the same realm as drinking and driving or rape but the point remains that in your opinion people who aren't perfect, which would be everyone, shouldn't say a word about the mistakes anyone else makes.

Maybe if Steve had some real friends who get tell him "bro this is a mistake and will lead to nothing but trouble", instead of his 'boys' hanging out with him, and jocking his nuts, saying "Hey dude that's awesome! Everyone whose got money does it! Great move." then maybe his kids wouldn't have to grow up without their father.

But I guess that shouldn't matter, right? I mean so many other athletes are doing it kids so you can't really be upset, or hurt, or question why your father would make these decisions.

:laugh2:

I'm glad I stirred up enough in you to compel a short story. You got my point and I got yours. What's next? Square dancing?

 

[Bleu Star]

I'm glad some closure is being brought to all of this. In a strange way, it's good to have this sort of thing exposed. It will make more think twice about cheating. However, there are so many things that we don't know about the situation. (and will never know) Were divorce plans in the future? Did his wife know about his indiscretions and simply look the other way? Did his wife specifically know about Kazemi? Has his wife ever screwed around on him.. blah blah blah... That's why I won't judge. I'll simply feel sorrow for The families, the two fatalities, and most importantly, the kids left behind with many questions.

RIP Steve. I'll remember the good times.

 

[Hostile]

Judas Priest, talk about a soap opera. Every new revelation is stranger than the last.

I hurt for his widow and children. They will suffer for his weaknesses and they don't deserve it.

 

[Big Dakota]

If the true were known he may have had many of these little side shows over the years.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok...now...let me ask this...how does she get angry about another woman?

I've never got that. Honestly how does a chick, or a dude for that matter, get pissed off at their married lover for 'having another woman/man' on the side besides them?

I mean, seriously? If the person is going to cheat on their husband/wife with you doesn't it stand to reason that there is a good chance they'd do it with someone else?

I've never gotten that. How a person who is cheating on someone else, with them, can then get mad when that person turns around and cheats on them as well. Shouldn't you sort of expect that at that point?

Wow. Just wow.

Very sad situation, all around, for the friends and family of those two because none of those folks asked for this to happen. Really it's a very sad situation when it could have been very easily avoided.

he probably told her some story that she was the one, to get in her pants, and she actually believed it

 

[Bleu Star]

he probably told her some story that she was the one, to get in her pants, and she actually believed it

Too easy...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Too easy...

some chicks are dumb though