Steve McNair Found Dead *Officially Ruled Murder-Suicide*

[Bleu Star]

some chicks are dumb though

My point exactly.

 

[burmafrd]

rumor has it that McNair had been catting around for years. so none of this is a surprise. You keep tapping strange stuff and sooner or later you are going to get stung.

 

[silverbear]

Too easy...

But more than likely REAL close to the truth... he played that girl to get what he wanted, and paid a heavy, heavy price for it...

Hos is right, the victims in all this are his widow and the four boys who will now grow up without their daddy... I only hope that his finances were in good enough shape that his family won't hurt for money...

 

[Avaj]

So he wasn't taking care of her, if she had 2 car payments and rent went double...I guess he just bought her SUV and paid for a trip here and there....

 

[Hostile]

Forgive me for this opinion. It sounds to me like this girl was not satisfied with her life and wanted her death to "mean something" and the only way she could pull that off was to create a headline so she would be remembered. What better way to accomplish that than to kill someone famous and die with him?

 

[Paniolo22]

This is probably a dumb question, but after watching my fair share of CSI episodes, how is she the shooter without gunshot residue on her hands? (reported by the examiner)

 

[Hostile]

This is probably a dumb question, but after watching my fair share of CSI episodes, how is she the shooter without gunshot residue on her hands? (reported by the examiner)

She did have some on her hands.

 

[burmafrd]

gotta agree with Hos. Look how many people seem to need to take someone with them when they kill themselves. Its all about how big a splash they make when they splat.

 

[Bleu Star]

Forgive me for this opinion. It sounds to me like this girl was not satisfied with her life and wanted her death to "mean something" and the only way she could pull that off was to create a headline so she would be remembered. What better way to accomplish that than to kill someone famous and die with him?

Agree

 

[Avaj]

And to do it while he was sleep

 

[TellerMorrow34]

:laugh2:

I'm glad I stirred up enough in you to compel a short story. You got my point and I got yours. What's next? Square dancing?

Quite possibly. Who knows. I'd need a lot of drinks first though. I'm a terrible dancer.

 

[tyke1doe]

How Will Steve McNair Be Remembered?
Posted by Mike Florio on July 6, 2009 11:21 PM

At a time when NFL fans and observers are struggling both to come to grips with the death of former Ravens and Titans quarterback Steve McNair and to comprehend the double life he was leading, a key question has arisen.

How will McNair be remembered?

Jemele Hill of ESPN.com argues that our memories of McNair should focus on the good things, and that we should accept the fact that athletes and celebrities are susceptible to the same flaws that afflict many members of the population at large.


"Behind every wonderful athlete lurks a very fallible human condition," she writes. "And no matter how many football Sundays we spend with athletes, no matter how many wondrous tasks we see them performing, sports are only a brief snapshot of their life. . . .


"But at a time like this, we need to remember that athletes don't live inside our television sets, nor do they live in their uniforms. They live in the real world, where they are free to make mistakes just like the rest of us."

Nancy Gay, in her first column for Fanhouse, explains that the circumstances surrounding McNair's death shouldn't tarnish his legacy.

McNair's coach in Baltimore, however, realizes that the negative will forever taint the positive.

"It's a life lesson for all of us that all it takes is conduct in a certain way to wipe all that out," Brian Billick told WNST in Baltimore. "It will never remove the good things that he did with his life, but how he's perceived by the fans -- whether that has value or not -- that's irrecoverable. That asterisk is always going to be attached to it because of the tragic way his life ended."

We think that the reality will land somewhere in the middle. McNair's actions weren't so egregious (or, as high-profile millionaire athletes go, unusual) to undermine the manner in which his playing career should be remembered. That said, even those who chalk up as evidence of McNair's humanity his decision to cavort with a girl 16 years his junior while he had a wife and four sons at home will remain cognizant of the fundamental fact that he betrayed his family.

To be sure, pro athletes and celebrities have done far worse. But McNair's actions -- and their connection to his demise -- necessarily will tarnish his overall reputation as a football player and as a man.

As Jamie Dukes of NFLN pointed out last week, players are human beings, and as such they will make mistakes. But this doesn't mean that their mistakes should be ignored; the rest of us can learn valuable lessons from the errors of those whom we tend to idolize.

That's precisely why McNair's legacy fairly should consist of his full lifetime of behavior, good, bad, and otherwise.

I'll have to remember this piece the next time someone utters a racist comment or murders someone or rapes someone, especially if their professional or on-field conduct is stellar.

 

[DallasEast]

There is a lot of internal hate which motivates you to shoot someone at point blank range while they are asleep, once in the head, then twice in the chest and finally once again in the head. Newsflash. If you place the barrell of the gun is against someone's temple and pull the trigger, that's pretty much all that's needed to (as the old saying goes) 'kill someone dead'.

I could care less about the personal motivations behind the act or how she supposed felt for him at any point during their time together. That's just plain, old-fashioned, soaked-to-the-bone hate.

Which goes to show what I tell practically every man I meet:

If you've never watched Snapped on The Oxygen Channel, you had better. And quick.

That show could save countless lives. No, I'm being deadly serious. Please forgive the pun.

 

[Bleu Star]

There is a lot of internal hate which motivates you to shoot someone at point blank range while they are asleep, once in the head, then twice in the chest and finally once again in the head. Newsflash. If you place the barrell of the gun is against someone's temple and pull the trigger, that's pretty much all that's needed to (as the old saying goes) 'kill someone dead'.

I could care less about the personal motivations behind the act or how she supposed felt for him at any point during their time together. That's just plain, old-fashioned, soaked-to-the-bone hate.

Which goes to show what I tell practically every man I meet:

If you've never watched Snapped on The Oxygen Channel, you had better. And quick.

That show could save countless lives. No, I'm being deadly serious. Please forgive the pun.

You watch Oxygen man? Well, that explains it.






j/k

 

[DallasEast]

You watch Oxygen man? Well, that explains it.

j/k

No. I watch Snapped which happens to air on The Oxygen Channel. I do not watch both The Oxygen Channel and Snapped.

Ridicule me if you must, but I've opened up a few pair of eyes during the past year or so after recommending that show. :wink2:

 

[Bleu Star]

No. I watch Snapped which happens to air on The Oxygen Channel. I do not watch both The Oxygen Channel and Snapped.

Ridicule me if you must, but I've opened up a few pair of eyes during the past year or so after recommending that show. :wink2:

Sounds like it might be worth checking out.


Edit: Watching it right now.

 

[RainMan]

So he wasn't taking care of her, if she had 2 car payments and rent went double...I guess he just bought her SUV and paid for a trip here and there....

One report I read in the Tennessean even suggested he gave her the car and had his name on it, but that she was having to pay the monthly bills for that Escalade.

 

[RainMan]

I'll have to remember this piece the next time someone utters a racist comment or murders someone or rapes someone, especially if their professional or on-field conduct is stellar.

I think what this incident does is it lifts the veil somewhat that McNair wasn't a saintly human. Truth is, who is? Anyone who lifts up athletes and places them on a pillar for anything other than their athletic achievements needs to do so in caution. Because no matter how good a guy might seem or how many charities he might donate to, we are exposed to such a small, small part of their lives. It's not like any of us really knew Steve McNair, or any past Cowboy for that matter.

Now, I don't know how many people living outside Nashville ever placed McNair on such a podium. I think we all viewed him as a good guy, but weren't under any disillusions.

As for the larger debate about what this does for his legacy, it undoubtedly taints it to some degree. Now whenever we think of McNair, we'll think of his tragic murder just as first as we think of his football legacy. And that, inevitably, casts a negative shadow since he was murdered by his mistress.

But even with that said, I'm hesitant to look too negatively upon him. Sure he had his problems. I know we're all sinners, and it's unfair to cast judgment. (Though for a side rant, being a flat-out cheat to your wife is inexcusable IMO. Sure, athletes have temptations the rest of us will never know. But then don't get married. It's simply unfair to the woman you married, your children, and even the women you're sleeping around with as their heads, too, are filled with disillusionments.) Still, I don't know that the one act of being an adulterer negates all the good he did for many a community throughout his life. It surely undoes the saintly image, but I don't think it makes him dog meat, either.

 

[tyke1doe]

No. I watch Snapped which happens to air on The Oxygen Channel. I do not watch both The Oxygen Channel and Snapped.

Ridicule me if you must, but I've opened up a few pair of eyes during the past year or so after recommending that show. :wink2:

My female co-workers told me about that program the other day. I plan to watch it. Thanks for reminding me.

Although after "Fatal Attractions," I kind a swore off cheating on a spouse and I wasn't even married then.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think what this incident does is it lifts the veil somewhat that McNair wasn't a saintly human. Truth is, who is? Anyone who lifts up athletes and places them on a pillar for anything other than their athletic achievements needs to do so in caution. Because no matter how good a guy might seem or how many charities he might donate to, we are exposed to such a small, small part of their lives. It's not like any of us really knew Steve McNair, or any past Cowboy for that matter.

Now, I don't know how many people living outside Nashville ever placed McNair on such a podium. I think we all viewed him as a good guy, but weren't under any disillusions.

As for the larger debate about what this does for his legacy, it undoubtedly taints it to some degree. Now whenever we think of McNair, we'll think of his tragic murder just as first as we think of his football legacy. And that, inevitably, casts a negative shadow since he was murdered by his mistress.

But even with that said, I'm hesitant to look too negatively upon him. Sure he had his problems. I know we're all sinners, and it's unfair to cast judgment. (Though for a side rant, being a flat-out cheat to your wife is inexcusable IMO. Sure, athletes have temptations the rest of us will never know. But then don't get married. It's simply unfair to the woman you married, your children, and even the women you're sleeping around with as their heads, too, are filled with disillusionments.) Still, I don't know that the one act of being an adulterer negates all the good he did for many a community throughout his life. It surely undoes the saintly image, but I don't think it makes him dog meat, either.

I never viewed McNair or any athlete a saint. Yes, he is a flawed individual like us all. But we expect responsible individuals to take care of their business at home and in their profession. And when they don't, well, they set themselves up for criticism.

Be that as it may, he paid the ultimate price for his flaws. And I know every man who is cheating on his wife is probably taking notice - not that that's going to stop anything.