steve slaton

[92DoverTiger112]

Seattle was also playing their safeties super deep to cover up for a depleted secondary. John Madden even pointed out the effects it was having on the run game during the game.

Listen most teams played us this way all year...It's not uncommon...So what's your point?

 

[quincyyyyy]

Listen most teams played us this way all year...It's not uncommon...So what's your point?

No not like Seattle. Seattle had bums off the street playing at corner and were using there safeties like corners themselves.

 

[dallasfan]

he is a better runnin back than reggie bush... reggie bush will never be a 20plus carry guy ... he is a mismatch player for other teams not a great running back . slaton is a running back who will be a star in the nfl.... and about this jackson guy from cal .. he is very fast but im not so sold on him like most of you seem to be ... hope he proves me wrong as the wr positon doesnt seem to be so deep for next year ... i like lima sweed from texas tho

I agree with your thoughts on Slanton. He's a better Running Back than Bush (not player, just runner), he's just not as elusive (but who is?), and not as good a WR (But still pretty damn good). If we ended up with the #1 pick, I'd be content with trading down and picking up another #1, even if it meant missing McFadden and getting Slanton.

 

[Champsheart]

Show me a mock & draft board or anything that says Slaton is a top 10-15 draft pick.

Those backs i just listed were not scrubs in college but happen to be scrubs in the nfl, because they played in that spread system & it made them look better then they really are. Slaton is a good back in college but he is to little to be a 1st rd pick/everydown back in the draft & will never be more then a 3rd down back/KR.

Reggie Bush is 5'11 205 & they were saying he's a everydown back then how in the hell could Slaton who's 5'10 195 be a everydown back. An Slaton is now even close to being as strong as Bush.

Umm, you really are off here arent you. Well I tell you what, why dont you do yourself a favor and go do your research. Or do you really need me to do it for you?
Go look at where all the backs you listed where drafted. That will tell you what the NFL thought about them, put Troy Davis in there as well. They where all considered good college backs, yes, but not elite NFL talent.

Slaton is considered top 10-15 talent, now go look at some mocks and come back and tell me what you find instead of asking me to show you. Sometimes it is best to do this first before spatting off at the mouth.

Here, I will start you off with a couple -
http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2008.php
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/7630?new=true
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87384

 

[92DoverTiger112]

Right but it's OBVIOUSLY tougher for ANY back to run with safeties playing closer to the LOS, that's why I asked what your point was...

 

[quincyyyyy]

Right but it's OBVIOUSLY tougher for ANY back to run with safeties playing closer to the LOS, that's why I asked what your point was...

My point was they were playing their safeties really deep and gave a lot of cushion for JuJo to run, so pointing to the Seattle game is misleading. That was my point.

 

[92DoverTiger112]

So are you saying that the only times Julius Jones had good games are when the safeties are deep because this isn't true..Julius had a questinable offensive line this year with Flozell not being 100%, Kosier being a lot less than dominant. Rivera was god awful, and Columbo was solid but even he wore down as the season went on. So do you blame Julius or do you blame the inconsistent offensive line.

 

[quincyyyyy]

So are you saying that the only times Julius Jones had good games are when the safeties are deep because this isn't true..Julius had a questinable offensive line this year with Flozell not being 100%, Kosier being a lot less than dominant. Rivera was god awful, and Columbo was solid but even he wore down as the season went on. So do you blame Julius or do you blame the inconsistent offensive line.

Our line wasn't horrible, it was average. Secondly good backs can play well with average to poor o-lines. And how was it that MB3 was able to be productive whenever he was put in the game.

Edit: and citing Kosier is definitely not a reason. The reason we want McQ to compete with Kosier has nothing to do with his run blocking which he excels at, the reason has to do with his pass blocking.

What I blame JuJo for has nothing to do with the o-line. It has to do with running into his own blockers, for not making the cut and hitting the hole, for going down after first contact, and for having bad enough hands that we can't consisently throw screens to him.

 

[dallasfan]

I take it your a WV fan yes. Well does these names sound familiar:
Amos Zereoue
Avon Cobourne
Quincy Wilson
Kay-Jay Harris

Now can you tell me what they all have in common? yes that right they were all good running backs at WV but got to the nfl an were busts. Slaton will be added to the list in a few years.

An to the poster that said he was better the Reggie Bush, you need to lay off the drugs.

It's hard to call them bust when off the top of my head I don't thinkm any of them were first day picks.

Correction Famous Amos was the 34th pick in round 3

 

[92DoverTiger112]

That's not true....we had a BELOW avg. line...Julius DID play well...considering he had a below avg line...Marion Barber's YPC wasn't much better to say that he produced more...He couldn't get ONE yard in a few games and couldn't get a TD in a couple others...He wasn't productive vs the Saints, Seattle, Giants, etc...In a limited role most back-ups look better than the starters. As far as Kosier, we couldn't run the draw play as much because of his pass blocking deficiencies...so you are supporting my point.
Julius will have a larger pass-catching role and has better hands than you are giving him credit for. If you think that we had a good offensive line last year, then you don't watch A LOT of football....

 

[quincyyyyy]

That's not true....we had a BELOW avg. line...Julius DID play well...considering he had a below avg line...Marion Barber's YPC wasn't much better to say that he produced more...He couldn't get ONE yard in a few games and couldn't get a TD in a couple others...He wasn't productive vs the Saints, Seattle, Giants, etc...In a limited role most back-ups look better than the starters. As far as Kosier, we couldn't run the draw play as much because of his pass blocking deficiencies...so you are supporting my point.
Julius will have a larger pass-catching role and has better hands than you are giving him credit for. If you think that we had a good offensive line last year, then you don't watch A LOT of football....

I get really annoyed when people put words in my mouth. You know very well I said average o-line. In addition we rarely ran draws with JuJo.

Also Barber had 3 rushing attempts against Seattle and 2 attempts against New Orleans. So if you are going to point out MB3's bad games (and there are some but they are few and far between), at least point out the ones where he has had 5 attempts at the very least.

And all the experts I have seen that has ranked the o-lines has us around average. Now you are just bashing our o-line to try to defend JuJo. You are ridiculous.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

 

[92DoverTiger112]

I get really annoyed when people put words in my mouth. You know very well I said average o-line. In addition we rarely ran draws with JuJo.

Also Barber had 3 rushing attempts against Seattle and 2 attempts against New Orleans. So if you are going to point out MB3's bad games (and there are some but they are few and far between), at least point out the ones where he has had 5 attempts at the very least.

And all the experts I have seen that has ranked the o-lines has us around average. Now you are just bashing our o-line to try to defend JuJo. You are ridiculous.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

Listen I didn't put any words in your mouth...Those were MY words...Around avg supports you or I and "I" felt that our line was BELOW AVG. Marion in those games had a small role and came up short. In those FIVE attempts you bring up, how many were positive yards? Julius has had a PUTRID offensive line for most of his career in Dallas....That's why we spent the MONEY that we did this year ON (guess what) OFFENSIVE LINE...So AGAIN, I blame the oline, not Julius...

 

[dogunwo]

me, McFadden 1st, Slaton 2nd, tie between James Davis and Ray Rice for 3rd

James Davis>Ray Rice

 

[Doomsday101]

Show me a mock & draft board or anything that says Slaton is a top 10-15 draft pick.

Those backs i just listed were not scrubs in college but happen to be scrubs in the nfl, because they played in that spread system & it made them look better then they really are. Slaton is a good back in college but he is to little to be a 1st rd pick/everydown back in the draft & will never be more then a 3rd down back/KR.

Reggie Bush is 5'11 205 & they were saying he's a everydown back then how in the hell could Slaton who's 5'10 195 be a everydown back. An Slaton is now even close to being as strong as Bush.

How about a 5'10" 207 RB who runs a 4.5 could he be an everydown back? We had pretty good one who showed he could, you may have heard of him. Emmitt Smith ring a bell? :laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Show me a mock & draft board or anything that says Slaton is a top 10-15 draft pick.

Those backs i just listed were not scrubs in college but happen to be scrubs in the nfl, because they played in that spread system & it made them look better then they really are. Slaton is a good back in college but he is to little to be a 1st rd pick/everydown back in the draft & will never be more then a 3rd down back/KR.

Reggie Bush is 5'11 205 & they were saying he's a everydown back then how in the hell could Slaton who's 5'10 195 be a everydown back. An Slaton is now even close to being as strong as Bush.

There are very few 2008 mock drafts out already but there are a few and another poster already showed them so no need to post the same links again.
Either way you asked for them and you go them so you lose on that point of your argument.

Furthermore I take it you do not know enough about WVU because all of those backs you listed did not play under the spread offense. Most of them yes, all of them no and even then they were not projected as first round picks nor were they considered to be in the hunt for the heisman trophy while playing.

So your point is moot.

Now whether he will be a better RB at the NFL level than Rice or McFadden who knows. Is he better than Reggie Bush..who knows.

Those are valid arguments one could make against slaton.

However your other points were wrong.