Steve Smith to the Cowboys?
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Ken Lucas sounded like everything was cool and even said it would make them a stronger club. I think Carolina will give Smith one more shot to grow up considering he's under contract, what it would cost them in cap dollars to trade him, and the fact he's their best player. No way i see a Smith trade at this point. He messes up again and ya never know, but my money is on him being in Carolina this year.
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Just a thought, sorry for the repeat... I said beat Denver because we play them on Saturday. I'd like us to win EVERY game but this is preseason and it's not important to win... just have the starters play well and have NO INJURIES for the Cowboys!!!
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I DONT KNOW ABOUT THAT;
what i heard, the panthers management seemed to be still miffed some;
like lucas will be out 2-3 weeks, then steve smith misses first 2 regular season games
i agree they might give smith one more chance, but at same time if right offer came along, you never know
only other thing that might keep smith in carolina is that or if he panthers can trade for farve, then they could be pretty tough
but i dont see farve wanting to go to carolina
i think sounds like jets or tampa bay or vikings, when they the vikes get over their anger of the tampering charge the packers accused them of;
what i heard, the panthers management seemed to be still miffed some;
like lucas will be out 2-3 weeks, then steve smith misses first 2 regular season games
i agree they might give smith one more chance, but at same time if right offer came along, you never know
only other thing that might keep smith in carolina is that or if he panthers can trade for farve, then they could be pretty tough
but i dont see farve wanting to go to carolina
i think sounds like jets or tampa bay or vikings, when they the vikes get over their anger of the tampering charge the packers accused them of;
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yep, just preseaon, but dont get too hyped up for this game;
due to the fact that generally wade phillips will play lots of rookies, 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players,
so dont get upset if cowboys dont win, i think the game that will show cowboys getting ready is the 3rd game this year;
dont expect too much for the 4th game, remember, its like 3 days or so after 3rd game;
due to the fact that generally wade phillips will play lots of rookies, 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players,
so dont get upset if cowboys dont win, i think the game that will show cowboys getting ready is the 3rd game this year;
dont expect too much for the 4th game, remember, its like 3 days or so after 3rd game;
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I think that bringing Smith in here would be a big mistake. I don't think there is enough room for him and T.O. to function in harmony together.
On the other hand, if he pulled his crap with one of our defensive backs, Roy Williams would beat him to a bloody pulp, and then Roy Williams would be popular again.
On the other hand, if he pulled his crap with one of our defensive backs, Roy Williams would beat him to a bloody pulp, and then Roy Williams would be popular again.
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BrAinPaiNt;2175128 said:
Yea, I think this is a bad idea. Smith has SERIOUS anger issues, punching Lucas in the face is just the latest episode.
A buddy of mine lives in Panther country and he says to stay far away, there have been several incidents of Smith going after players on his own freaking team, even during film review. My buddy says that only the major ones have been reported nationally, but the club has kept the other stuff quiet, only local press.
It looks like Smith is not right in the head or something, could be a byproduct of him juicing maybe. Regardless of the reason, I dont think it is a good idea to bring this hothead to big D.
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Star4Ever, come on man.
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Posted by Star4Ever vbmenu_register("postmenu_2176425", true);
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Originally Posted by dueyhemlock
I didn't say any thing about our "1st 3 round of our next draft". Read my post!
Giving them a vet (Patrick) and a speed WR prospect doesn't hurt us that much. We have young WRs that might be cut, hence the 2 players involved. I'm not doing a madden here. I know that we'll have to add something (draft) to the 2 WRs in my original trade scenario.
I see my wording placement might be off in the thread, but the content is still pretty clear.
A proven #1 / #2 WR to team up with TO.
Thats how it was supposed to be written, my bad but still nothing close to what you are posting (MADDEN ?????).
I just reread my original post and the wording is correct, don't know how the above Quote got missed up.??
Posted by star4ever
Yes you did. You said we should up the ante and give them our 2009 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, along with Crayton and Henry. I posted that trade would border on idiocy.
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Originally Posted by sonnyboy
You people who think this:
2009 1st, 2009 2nd, 2009 3rd, WR Crayton and CB Henry.
is to much in a trade for S. Smith are missing the boat on the contract
25.65mil over the next 5 years.
With cap hits of 1.75mil 2008, 3.40mil 2009, 5.75mil 2010, 7.00mil 2011, 7.75mil 2012.
This is a fair trade based on real value. You have to understand our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks in 2009 are valued as 32, 64 and 96.
If we or Carolina wanted to use those picks in a package to trade up in the 2009 draft, we wouldn't get higher than 12.
You guys are overvaluing the picks and players and undervaluing having Steve Smith's services for 5 years at 25.65mil.
Steve Smith is a top 5 ProBowl WR. He is right their with Moss, Owens and Johnson. But unlike Moss and Owens he has 5 good years left.
If you want to understand how valuable Smith's deal is, just compare to Owens' contract. 2008 $5,728,388, 2009 $8,995,000, 2010 $10,725,000, 2011 $10,225,000
We are paying Owens over 35 mil the next 4 years. Smith's price tag for the same 4 years would be, 17.9 mil.
No, you don't understand. We've been down this road before when we made a trade for a certain Ohio St. WR and it blew up in our face. First off, you don't get rid of TWO starters and the first 3 picks of our next year's draft for ANY receiver at this point, especially one that is injury-prone and might not be a good locker room presence. You are just mortgaging the future of the team. You can't just look at where we will be drafting, you have to consider we would be giving up 5 players. Secondly, I've already addressed the contract issue. Smith will want a new contract within a couple of years and one or two things will happen. His team will refuse and he'll holdout and become disgruntled or the team will give him much more $. Both are losing propositions. No thanks. If we could get him for a reasonable trade, yes. Not one like you're suggesting.
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Star4ever,
Are you aware that dueyhemlock and sonnyboy are 2 different posters right?
If you read through the last couple of pages in this thread, you would have seen that I didn't even offer a draft pick/picks of my choice until iceberg called me out. See below
Originally Posted by iceberg
breaking a few eggs to make an omlette, great. now i'm debating with a cliche.
throw in necessary draft picks. way to lay out some specifics.
take a $5mil cap hit. GENIOUS!
sorry, i get instantly against anyone who uses "insert trade bait of the day that makes no thought overall" as a player to get what we...they want.
madden 2009 will be out soon. have at it.
Picks needed (so call layout ) would be determined market value, other resent trades, other teams involved, etc. Myself, start with a 2nd and the players Patrick/Austin. Then let the bidding war begin.
If the 5 mil cap hit gets us the ultimate goal, then so be it.
"Trade bait of the day"-?- These players were used to fill the hole in Caroina's roster, vet and speed propect WR. That is pretty clear why I used these players.
Quote: I get instantly against anyone...blah, blah, blah....If you would of comprehended what i posted, it was clear why I used this trade scenario. Sorry you get annoyed at other's opinions that doesn't follow in suit with yours. Good luck with that.
And what's up with this Madden crap? I don't even play Madden, I'm a HALO man.
My 1st post of this thread is below,
SkinsandTerps -
Blast me all you want. As I have stated year after year...I watch EVERY NFL game.
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Watching and comprehending are totally two different things. Smith is an elite player.
He (Smith) would complete our 1-2 punch at WR and leave all the body shots wide open for Witten, Barber and company.
Carolina would want a replacement WR plus more. They're eating cap so we could do to same due to Smith's salary this year.
Trade Patrick (they would have their vet WR) and a young WR (maybe Austin to replace their speed at the WR position). Then add in the necessary drafts picks as needed.
Smith will take Patrick's spot, one of the bubble WR (Amendola, Jefferson) takes Austins spot.
No need to deplete our depth at other positions, use draft picks to complete the deal.
Having said that, Carolina would be stupid to lose their best offensive weapon. I just don't see it happening. Dang, I hope I'm wrong.
If your going to disagree/argue with others over differences, make sure you have the right poster. I'm only saying this because this is the second time in this thread that I have pointed this out to you. Good luck with your reading or scanning.
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Posted by Star4Ever vbmenu_register("postmenu_2176425", true);
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Originally Posted by dueyhemlock
I didn't say any thing about our "1st 3 round of our next draft". Read my post!
Giving them a vet (Patrick) and a speed WR prospect doesn't hurt us that much. We have young WRs that might be cut, hence the 2 players involved. I'm not doing a madden here. I know that we'll have to add something (draft) to the 2 WRs in my original trade scenario.
I see my wording placement might be off in the thread, but the content is still pretty clear.
A proven #1 / #2 WR to team up with TO.
Thats how it was supposed to be written, my bad but still nothing close to what you are posting (MADDEN ?????).
I just reread my original post and the wording is correct, don't know how the above Quote got missed up.??
Posted by star4ever
Yes you did. You said we should up the ante and give them our 2009 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, along with Crayton and Henry. I posted that trade would border on idiocy.
and
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnyboy
You people who think this:
2009 1st, 2009 2nd, 2009 3rd, WR Crayton and CB Henry.
is to much in a trade for S. Smith are missing the boat on the contract
25.65mil over the next 5 years.
With cap hits of 1.75mil 2008, 3.40mil 2009, 5.75mil 2010, 7.00mil 2011, 7.75mil 2012.
This is a fair trade based on real value. You have to understand our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks in 2009 are valued as 32, 64 and 96.
If we or Carolina wanted to use those picks in a package to trade up in the 2009 draft, we wouldn't get higher than 12.
You guys are overvaluing the picks and players and undervaluing having Steve Smith's services for 5 years at 25.65mil.
Steve Smith is a top 5 ProBowl WR. He is right their with Moss, Owens and Johnson. But unlike Moss and Owens he has 5 good years left.
If you want to understand how valuable Smith's deal is, just compare to Owens' contract. 2008 $5,728,388, 2009 $8,995,000, 2010 $10,725,000, 2011 $10,225,000
We are paying Owens over 35 mil the next 4 years. Smith's price tag for the same 4 years would be, 17.9 mil.
No, you don't understand. We've been down this road before when we made a trade for a certain Ohio St. WR and it blew up in our face. First off, you don't get rid of TWO starters and the first 3 picks of our next year's draft for ANY receiver at this point, especially one that is injury-prone and might not be a good locker room presence. You are just mortgaging the future of the team. You can't just look at where we will be drafting, you have to consider we would be giving up 5 players. Secondly, I've already addressed the contract issue. Smith will want a new contract within a couple of years and one or two things will happen. His team will refuse and he'll holdout and become disgruntled or the team will give him much more $. Both are losing propositions. No thanks. If we could get him for a reasonable trade, yes. Not one like you're suggesting.
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Star4ever,
Are you aware that dueyhemlock and sonnyboy are 2 different posters right?
If you read through the last couple of pages in this thread, you would have seen that I didn't even offer a draft pick/picks of my choice until iceberg called me out. See below
Originally Posted by iceberg
breaking a few eggs to make an omlette, great. now i'm debating with a cliche.
throw in necessary draft picks. way to lay out some specifics.
take a $5mil cap hit. GENIOUS!
sorry, i get instantly against anyone who uses "insert trade bait of the day that makes no thought overall" as a player to get what we...they want.
madden 2009 will be out soon. have at it.
Picks needed (so call layout
) would be determined market value, other resent trades, other teams involved, etc. Myself, start with a 2nd and the players Patrick/Austin. Then let the bidding war begin.If the 5 mil cap hit gets us the ultimate goal, then so be it.
"Trade bait of the day"-?- These players were used to fill the hole in Caroina's roster, vet and speed propect WR. That is pretty clear why I used these players.
Quote: I get instantly against anyone...blah, blah, blah....If you would of comprehended what i posted, it was clear why I used this trade scenario. Sorry you get annoyed at other's opinions that doesn't follow in suit with yours. Good luck with that.
And what's up with this Madden crap? I don't even play Madden, I'm a HALO man.
My 1st post of this thread is below,
SkinsandTerps -
Blast me all you want. As I have stated year after year...I watch EVERY NFL game.
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Reply by dueyhemlock-Quote
Watching and comprehending are totally two different things. Smith is an elite player.
He (Smith) would complete our 1-2 punch at WR and leave all the body shots wide open for Witten, Barber and company.
Carolina would want a replacement WR plus more. They're eating cap so we could do to same due to Smith's salary this year.
Trade Patrick (they would have their vet WR) and a young WR (maybe Austin to replace their speed at the WR position). Then add in the necessary drafts picks as needed.
Smith will take Patrick's spot, one of the bubble WR (Amendola, Jefferson) takes Austins spot.
No need to deplete our depth at other positions, use draft picks to complete the deal.
Having said that, Carolina would be stupid to lose their best offensive weapon. I just don't see it happening. Dang, I hope I'm wrong.
If your going to disagree/argue with others over differences, make sure you have the right poster. I'm only saying this because this is the second time in this thread that I have pointed this out to you. Good luck with your reading or scanning.
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dueyhemlock;2176857 said:
Do you actually expect anyone in their right mind to read through this mess to see if you actually have a point?
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My bad,
Just trying to set something straight and my novel got out of hand.
Just trying to set something straight and my novel got out of hand.
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Steve Smith is the only wide reciever that I think would improve this offense enough to be worth trading for. I don't think we could be stopped, ever...with both on the field and healthy....that being said, I think it would cost alot, and could be bad for the locker room....I don't see it happening.
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As expected the Panthers made it clear that they had no interest in trading Steve Smith, what so ever.