Steve Smith to the Cowboys?

[Cowboys2008]

Absolutely not! I don't care what this guy can bring to a team, he's not worth it, imo. Bringing him in would be like keeping Glenn, mentality wise- a vindictive destructive force to a team, from within. I would pass on this guy until I was blue in the face and finally matched my beloved cowboys in color.

And to top it off, I do NOT believe this is a type of player who could co-exist with a TO, a Witten, and a Barber, to share the spot light with. He's ALL about himself and I've never seen anything different from him.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Do you really think anyone is gonna listen to your opinion about WR's when you make comments like

Maybe you give Glenn more credit than is due.

I am not expecting to get a standing ovation because of my thoughts. But I am putting them out there for all to see.

Glenn WAS a decent WR, never great, and certainly replaceable.

 

[EveryoneElse]

And when you have only one option and that option is a good player...that option will be dominant especially when facing teams like the Falcons, Saints, and Bucs.

That is a braindead statement. You may have every NFL game playing in your house every week, but I think your finger painting instead of watching.

If Smith was only a good, not great player, and the only option the Panthers had......he would be taken away every Sunday. Think about it.

 

[zrinkill]

Maybe you give Glenn more credit than is due.

I am not expecting to get a standing ovation because of my thoughts. But I am putting them out there for all to see.

Glenn WAS a decent WR, never great, and certainly replaceable.

Glenn (when healthy) was better than any wideout you currently have.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

That is a braindead statement. You may have every NFL game playing in your house every week, but I think your finger painting instead of watching.

If Smith was only a good, not great player, and the only option the Panthers had......he would be taken away every Sunday. Think about it.

Not true at all.

Some players are given chances to exploit it. Based on the lack of talent around them. For example, Shockey is no longer needed in NY.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Glenn (when healthy) was better than any wideout you currently have.

The numbers suggest otherwise. And you can't put a healthy clause in a statement regarding how good a player is to validate it any more.

It makes it invalid, because being healthy is part of the game and necessary for production.

I think it's better to have a healthy receiver that you don't have to worry about every game.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Glenn (when healthy) was better than any wideout you currently have.

And when was the last time he was healthy ?

And how do you judge the unproven players ?

Glenn was average...always has been.

 

[AmishCowboy]

And when was the last time he was healthy ?

And how do you judge the unproven players ?

Glenn was average...always has been.

A Stupid Statement from a Troll, Glenn while not a Superstar was an Above Average WR.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Not true at all.

Some players are given chances to exploit it. Based on the lack of talent around them. For example, Shockey is no longer needed in NY.

What in the hell is this post supposed to mean?

If Steve Smith was just a good WR, teams would have no problem taking him out of the game and shutting him down. Especially being the only good WR the Panthers have. Good WRs don't demand Double coverage nearly every passing situation.......great WRs do. Smith may not be a top WR ever to play the game, but he's in the top 5 in the league right now.

 

[alancdc]

TO has never been arrested so why does he get mentioned in the same breath as pacman and Tank

I always bring this up as well. Didn't realize arguing with your QB was a felony.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

A Stupid Statement from a Troll, Glenn while not a Superstar was an Above Average WR.

No, Glenn was not. He had his moments, he was indeed average.

What in the hell is this post supposed to mean?

If Steve Smith was just a good WR, teams would have no problem taking him out of the game and shutting him down. Especially being the only good WR the Panthers have. Good WRs don't demand Double coverage nearly every passing situation.......great WRs do. Smith may not be a top WR ever to play the game, but he's in the top 5 in the league right now.

Again, when your team faces one of the weakest divisions in football, and simply look at his big games...very few against a decent secondary...for his entire career.

Smith is good, he can create separation, he is not great.

 

[TNCowboy]

And when was the last time he was healthy ?

And how do you judge the unproven players ?

Glenn was average...always has been.

On a per game basis, more catches, more TDs, and more yards than Art Monk.

Doesn't speak well of Monk.

 

[EveryoneElse]

No, Glenn was not. He had his moments, he was indeed average.



Again, when your team faces one of the weakest divisions in football, and simply look at his big games...very few against a decent secondary...for his entire career.

Smith is good, he can create separation, he is not great.

So everything the Patriots have done in the last 7 or so years should be taken with a grain of salt because of the division they play in? Thats the same thing.

What is your opinion of the WRs the Commanders have?

 

[iceberg]

Picks needed (so call layout ) would be determined market value, other resent trades, other teams involved, etc. Myself, start with a 2nd and the players Patrick/Austin. Then let the bidding war begin.

If the 5 mil cap hit gets us the ultimate goal, then so be it.

"Trade bait of the day"-?- These players were used to fill the hole in Caroina's roster, vet and speed propect WR. That is pretty clear why I used these players.

Quote: I get instantly against anyone...blah, blah, blah....If you would of comprehended what i posted, it was clear why I used this trade scenario. Sorry you get annoyed at other's opinions that doesn't follow in suit with yours. Good luck with that.

And what's up with this Madden crap? I don't even play Madden, I'm a HALO man.

i did comprehend what you posted. you want to trade someone we just signed a year ago and don't really care about the cap hit. that's a "luxury" not often found in the real world, isn't it? i get annoyed yes, when people throw out what they feel are valid trade scenarios when they don't consider all the aspects of that.

i'm sure you get annoyed at people who do things that to you make no sense or are counter productive. please, let me know if i'm the only one. : )

madden is a fantasy game where you can bend/break all the rules of reality you want and trade anything for anyone and things like $ just don't matter. this is why i compare it because jones isn't going to wipe away $5mil to trade someone the fans got upset with.

i don't think jones looks at the time like "gee, who's my poster boy for trades right now?" like some fans do. these players i'll refer to as "trade bait of the day".

you're willing to blow off $5mil, i don't think jones is. not a good idea for a trade.

 

[zrinkill]

The numbers suggest otherwise.

In seasons when they both played in at least half the games.

Terry Glenn has an average of 61 rec 913 yards 4.5 tds
Santana Moss has an average of 58 rec 909 yards 6 tds

The lowest season I counted for Moss ..... he played in 14 games
The lowest season I counted for Glenn ...... he played in 9 games

When both were playing ...... Glenn was more Productive ..... even in a grading system that favors Moss.

Per game played their stats are

Glenn 4.3 rec 64 yards .32 tds
Moss 3.6 rec 57 yards .38 tds

Again ..... Glenn wins.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And when was the last time he was healthy ?

And how do you judge the unproven players ?

Glenn was average...always has been.

This is crazy. Glenn was a heck of a WR for us. He posted 4 1000 yard + seasons in his career, 14.6 YPR for his career, which is also not bad. Your own Art Monk only had 5 1000+ seasons and averaged 13.5 YPR for his entire career. Glenn was a pretty darn good WR in his career. If I have a grip with him, it's that he was injured a lot, which kept him from being a truely great WR IMO. However, as far as his skills, he was certainly talented enough to be amoung the greats IMO. To say he was average is a pretty big stretch. Terry Glenn was far from average.

 

[dueyhemlock]

i did comprehend what you posted. you want to trade someone we just signed a year ago and don't really care about the cap hit. that's a "luxury" not often found in the real world, isn't it? i get annoyed yes, when people throw out what they feel are valid trade scenarios when they don't consider all the aspects of that.

i'm sure you get annoyed at people who do things that to you make no sense or are counter productive. please, let me know if i'm the only one. : )

madden is a fantasy game where you can bend/break all the rules of reality you want and trade anything for anyone and things like $ just don't matter. this is why i compare it because jones isn't going to wipe away $5mil to trade someone the fans got upset with.

i don't think jones looks at the time like "gee, who's my poster boy for trades right now?" like some fans do. these players i'll refer to as "trade bait of the day".

you're willing to blow off $5mil, i don't think jones is. not a good idea for a trade.

Ice, I think Jerry would trade a 5 mil price tag for a better chance at another ring. If TO goes down, Smith can definitely handle the #1 WR spot, can Patrick. Smith would be our expensive insurance policy. I used Patrick in that trade scenario because Carolina would more than likely want someone to fill that void, a vet.

The Madden referrence in regards to the money isn't the issue. The issue is championships and Jerry would scarifice what is needed to get him/us there once again.

I wouldn't want to lose that 5 mil cap space. It will probably cost us down the road in form of not being able to resign our own players.

 

[JonJon]

Forgive me if this question has been asked already as I haven't read this entire thread.

But is Smith's two-game suspension team mandated?

And if so, would a trade render such suspension null and void with his new team?

I wondered the same thing. I beleive it was a team mandated suspension and therefor would not hold up if he is traded elsewhere. Otherwise, I see no reason why Green Bay couldn't suspend Favre for 16 games then trade him to the Vikings....

Let's not forget that I live in Charlotte.

Smith is a good player...not a very good teammate. Not a great player.

Again blast away.

I have met Smith a couple of times, and he seemed cool, although, I am not asked to line up with him or take his sucker punches as a teammate.

Being from Charlotte, I am not sure how you can say Smith is not great. He IS the Panthers offense. He is always the focus of the DC and they make it a point to shut him down. However, he still puts up league topping stats. He rarely gets 1 on 1 coverage, and when he does, he burns whoever is in front of him, unless of course that CB is a true shutdown CB like Newman. The media's highly-touted DeAngelo Hall was always abused badly by Smith. Me thinks you don't know what you are talking about.

You watch every play of every single game every single week? Wow. That's impressive. How do you find the time to do that? Even with NFL Sunday Ticket, where you can watch all the games, I find it hard to believe you watch every single play of every single game.

I'm not saying you're right, wrong, way off, way on, whatever. I'm just saying I find it hard to believe you've ever watched every single play, of every single game, in even one week of an NFL season, let alone all of them.

He watches ESPN's NFL Primetime, or whatever that show is called nowadays...NFL Blitz?

 

[AmishCowboy]

In seasons when they both played in at least half the games.

Terry Glenn has an average of 61 rec 913 yards 4.5 tds
Santana Moss has an average of 58 rec 909 yards 6 tds

The lowest season I counted for Moss ..... he played in 14 games
The lowest season I counted for Glenn ...... he played in 9 games

When both were playing ...... Glenn was more Productive ..... even in a grading system that favors Moss.

Per game played their stats are

Glenn 4.3 rec 64 yards .32 tds
Moss 3.6 rec 57 yards .38 tds

Again ..... Glenn wins.

Way to Smack the Commander Fan!

 

[AmishCowboy]

:fact:

This is crazy. Glenn was a heck of a WR for us. He posted 4 1000 yard + seasons in his career, 14.6 YPR for his career, which is also not bad. Your own Art Monk only had 5 1000+ seasons and averaged 13.5 YPR for his entire career. Glenn was a pretty darn good WR in his career. If I have a grip with him, it's that he was injured a lot, which kept him from being a truely great WR IMO. However, as far as his skills, he was certainly talented enough to be amoung the greats IMO. To say he was average is a pretty big stretch. Terry Glenn was far from average.