Steve Young ranks the NFC QBs

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yeah,they are saying worst in NFC as far as experience,Somebody please show me Brees stats in playoffs,
 

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News flash: Romo will be placed behind his opposing QB from here on out this season unless we have the good fortune of meeting Baltimore or the Jets in the Super Bowl.
 

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Good. More hatred to feed off of! I don't know why we get all bent outta shape over the mediots "rankings" of players and/or teams...ultimately it means nada. Romo will do his thing, regardless...
 

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For now they are going to be able to say that about Romo and given the context in which they're speaking it's true for now.

When he wins out this year and gets a Superbowl ring all that talk will officially be over.
 

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1Ware1;3227480 said:
yeah,they are saying worst in NFC as far as experience,Somebody please show me Brees stats in playoffs,

Brees is 78-133 918 yards, 5td 2 int, 92.7 PR in the playoffs. 1-2 overall

Romo 58-100 634 yards, 4 td 1 int, 86.0 PR. 1-2 overall.

Similar in the playoffs, but it would be hard to argue that Romo had a better season than Brees, which is what I expect they are basing this on.
 

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I'd say they are right although I wouldn't trade for Warner or Favre due to their age. And Brees has had a better year stat wise so...........

I'm happy with Tony although Warner is the best QB remaining to play a playoff game. I'd rather have Tony than Favre in this matchup though.
 

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The list makes zero sense to me. It's all over the place.

Rank RIGHT THIS SECOND!
1. Romo
2. Warner
3. Favre
4. Brees

Romo has beaten playoff teams 3 times in 4 weeks and put up great numbers doing so. His two picks in the last month were both passes of his WR's hands. The last two games he dialed it down to kill off games or his numbers would likely be even larger.

Warner had a very mediocre season but he is coming off a legend making game.

Favre played well enough early to earn a bye week and to enter League MVP talk but he was weak enough late to have his coach discuss yanking him.

The first tie-breaker is head to head and Romo outplayed Brees head to head by quite a margin. Brees is good but his last 4 games were his worst by a good stretch. This is an amazing list but Brees RIGHT NOW is 4.

List for Career:
1. Favre
2. Warner
3. Brees
4. Romo

Favre and Warner have won Lombardi's. Favre has all those League MVPs.
Brees has taken two teams to the playoffs and helped re-build a moribund Saints team. Romo resurrected a carcass in Dallas as well but suffered injuries last year that produced some of his most mediocre work with the spotlight glaring brightest.

List for this year as a whole:
1. Favre --- Hottest start and best TD to INT ratio.
2. Brees --- Amazing start as well.
3. Romo --- Solid all year minus one Giants game, played his best in December. Very good TD to INT ratio.
4. Warner --- Mediocre year but played well in games they needed ot win including the playoff game obviously.
 

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Hostile;3225966 said:
Tony Romo's record in the post season is 1-2. So is Drew Brees. Brees has been starting in the NFL since 2002. That is a 4 year head start on Tony.

Tony has led 3 of his 4 teams to the playoffs. Tony's team has never finished last in their Division while he is the primary QB.

Brees has led 3 of his 8 teams to the playoffs. Brees' teams have finished last in their Division twice (2003 and 2008).

Tony's won - loss record is 38-17.

Brees won - loss record is 68-54.

Some will say it is because Brees puts up better stats. Romo threw more TDs in 2007 than Brees has in any season. Romo's INT % in 2009 is lower than in any season Brees played.

Not saying Brees is not a great QB. He is. The double standard applied is rather silly.

Thanks for those stats. That's knock out type stuff right there.
 

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AbeBeta;3227491 said:
Similar in the playoffs, but it would be hard to argue that Romo had a better season than Brees, which is what I expect they are basing this on.

I'd say that's right too but it makes zero sense.

If we base it on all year why not just pick the higher seed to win every game?

If TEAMS needs to be hot in December than QB do as well IMHO. I just don't see how you(SYoung) can apply one measure in one instance and than ignore it when slicing the pie.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;3225983 said:
Yeah? Who is Steve Young to talk? He hasn't proven jack **** either, unless of course you count winning a championship game that the refs guaranteed the 49ers in 94/95 vs. Dallas by calling one of the worst one-sided games Ive ever seen...or the fact that the NFL allowed the 49ers to circumvbent the cap illegally that year, by stockpiling free agents thay had no cap room for...or by letting the 49ers pay other players with under the table money that year to ***** the cap numbers. That's what it took that year to get the monkey off Steve Young's back. So he'a the last person to tell me about what it takes for a QB to win a Super Bowl.
The refs didn't turn the ball over.
 

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I'll take it a step further to add to jterrell's excellent post. Right now for the matchup this week I'd take Romo over Favre. I think Tony holds up under pressure better than Favre. If you don't get to either QB then they will pick you apart. Favre puts up INTs when pressured enough.

I'd take Warner over Romo for the next game except it will be played at home. I call that a push. I take Romo over Brees at NO (assuming in both instances we get by MN). I think Brees will wilt like Favre under the pressure. Give him time to throw and he'll pick you apart as well. In fact right now I'd rather have Brees than Favre.

So Romo can hold his own right now if you look at each game. Obviously Favre and Warner are both 1st ballot HOFs so career wise it isn't even close.
 

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jobberone;3227532 said:
I'll take it a step further to add to jterrell's excellent post. Right now for the matchup this week I'd take Romo over Favre. I think Tony holds up under pressure better than Favre. If you don't get to either QB then they will pick you apart. Favre puts up INTs when pressured enough.

I'd take Warner over Romo for the next game except it will be played at home. I call that a push. I take Romo over Brees at NO (assuming in both instances we get by MN). I think Brees will wilt like Favre under the pressure. Give him time to throw and he'll pick you apart as well. In fact right now I'd rather have Brees than Favre.

So Romo can hold his own right now if you look at each game. Obviously Favre and Warner are both 1st ballot HOFs so career wise it isn't even close.

There is always talk about what Dallas can't or hasn't done but Favre hasn't beaten Dallas in the playoffs and isn't good versus CB/S blitzes.

Favre has been awful in the playoffs for the past 10 years. The last time he played Dallas he was knocked out by Nate Jones. I can us sending Orlando Scandrick or Alan Ball on that same nickel blitz.
 

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jterrell;3227512 said:
I'd say that's right too but it makes zero sense.

If we base it on all year why not just pick the higher seed to win every game?

If TEAMS needs to be hot in December than QB do as well IMHO. I just don't see how you(SYoung) can apply one measure in one instance and than ignore it when slicing the pie.

I don't know that the "team" needs to be hot in December if they have so clearly dominated the league Sept-November that they have home field locked up

BTW Brees was hot in December 7 TD, 2 int, nearly 1300 yards passing, 103.7 PR.
 

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The Panch;3226320 said:
And??


We'd be very fortunate if Romo has the same type of career as Young did.

Jesus, how could the guy not have had a great career with that kind of supporting cast? Jerry Rice (the greatest player in NFL history) and Terrell Owens (one of the best NFL WRs ever). That is just counting his WRs, he also had a four time Pro-Bowl TE, and a five time Pro-Bowl RB.

Steve Young is quite possibly one of the most overrated players in the history of the NFL. Even with that sort of supporting cast he had exactly one good post-season run and the rest of the time was mediocre or garbage in the post-season.

Oh and as far as this week's game goes? Romo and Favre might be playing close to the same level this season overall, but Romo has been better down the stretch and then you have to factor in our respective secondaries. I'll take Romo and the Cowboys.
 

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AbeBeta;3227557 said:
I don't know that the "team" needs to be hot in December if they have so clearly dominated the league Sept-November that they have home field locked up

BTW Brees was hot in December 7 TD, 2 int, nearly 1300 yards passing, 103.7 PR.

While you may not KNOW that, the media loves to talk about it. The same media who rates these QBs.

Brees 103 rating is 6 points worse than the rest of the season. And that number is a bit misleading. He was atrocious in Dallas until the final drives where the game was largely in our favor then when it did get close he couldn't do anything again.

The team won by 3, won by 3, then lost two weeks in a row where the offense generated 17 points. That would be far from peaking.

Brees also had two fumbles lost against us in December that do not count against his QB rating.

If Brees had simply sat out week 17 after beating people up weeks 15 and 16 you might have a point but that isn't the case. He lead them to 17 points per week in two losses before sitting out and that makes him pretty much ice cold by the standards of this list. Anyone ranking him first is in short nuts.
 

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Hostile;3226065 said:
Hottest? Yes. Best? No.

Love the guy. Wanted him in 2004 over Vinny so bad it hurt. Manning is easily the best.

I have to go with Warner. He has led 3 teams to the SB, winning one. Also, doesn't he have a higher postseason winning percentage than Manning?

Also, if not mistaken, Warner has thrown for more yards and TDs in the postseason.

At any rate, Warner and Manning are definitely the cream of the crop for this season's playoff QBs.
 

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jterrell;3227617 said:
While you may not KNOW that, the media loves to talk about it. The same media who rates these QBs.

Brees 103 rating is 6 points worse than the rest of the season. And that number is a bit misleading. He was atrocious in Dallas until the final drives where the game was largely in our favor then when it did get close he couldn't do anything again.

The team won by 3, won by 3, then lost two weeks in a row where the offense generated 17 points. That would be far from peaking.

Brees also had two fumbles lost against us in December that do not count against his QB rating.

If Brees had simply sat out week 17 after beating people up weeks 15 and 16 you might have a point but that isn't the case. He lead them to 17 points per week in two losses before sitting out and that makes him pretty much ice cold by the standards of this list. Anyone ranking him first is in short nuts.

So your argument is that Brees isn't so good because his December PR was only 103? Or because they only won by 3 points in their 2 wins? Or because he fumbled twice in a loss? Or because they didn't score enough in his last 2 games.

Fact: They only won by 3 because their D couldn't stop anyone. Brees is not a DB. Not on him.

Fact: There was absolutely nothing more that Brees could have done in the Tampa loss. He threw 5 incomplete passes and was sacked only once. He receivers fumbled and continually just didn't get the extra half yard needed for firsts. Also, Drew didn't miss the game winning 37 yard field goal (which he set up with a nice drive).

Fact: His PR was lower because of one game. The one against us.

Again, they had very little to play for after losing to us.
 

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jterrell;3227617 said:
If Brees had simply sat out week 17 after beating people up weeks 15 and 16 you might have a point but that isn't the case. He lead them to 17 points per week in two losses before sitting out and that makes him pretty much ice cold by the standards of this list. Anyone ranking him first is in short nuts.

You're making way to much of a Tampa game nobody on the team card about. And he still went 32 of 37 that game (86%) with 258 yards and a TD, so its hard to say that he didn't play well. The team mailed it in.
 

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wileedog;3227822 said:
You're making way to much of a Tampa game nobody on the team card about. And he still went 32 of 37 that game (86%) with 258 yards and a TD, so its hard to say that he didn't play well. The team mailed it in.
Please. They did care about that game. They had all of their starters out there the entire game and played to win. They just haven't been that good and lost some momentum after we beat them.
 

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I noticed that the DMN (Gosselin)today rates all QBs remaining from NFC and AFC:

1--Manning
2--Brees
3--Rivers
4--Favre
5--Warner
6--Romo
7--Flacco
8--Sanchez

Really, after Manning, I think the next 5 are very close.
 
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