Still irritated at the insistence that 3 QB's are kept

[Idgit]

You don't think he could work on mechanics as QB2? And how exactly is he supposed to prepare for the speed and sophistication of the NFL with less reps and less involvement with gameplanning?

He's played as well as any top 100 pick in the last several years.

Another things that teams do particularly in the modern era? Have their rookie QBs as QB2. Oakland did it with Cook last year and he has been better than Cook in a similar role. Hackenburg same deal. Mannion same deal. Lynch, Goff, Garoppolo, Glennon, etc.

Really the question is does he have the work ethic to handle the backup snaps, work with scout team, do the film work, and the gameplanning all the while working on his mechanics. Dak did it last year in the much more onerous starting role. Reports are that he is always working and his ethic is similar to Dak in that regard.

Meanwhile, Noodles gives us absolutely nothing on the field. He cannot even be termed a bus driver because he turns the ball over at a galling rate. Rush is the best shot we have of getting better.

I didn't say he couldn't work on mechanics at QB2. I said the could do it at QB3 without the distraction of having to know the game plan and prepare as a starter each week. He'll have preseason and all of next year to prepare as the starter and to work on that part of a QB's development.

And I didn't suggest there aren't situations where teams roll with a rookie QB2 and have it make sense. But there's a difference between doing that when your starter is Tom Brady as opposed to when it's a second-year Dak Prescott. If Romo were still here, we wouldn't be talking about keeping Moore on the roster.

The question isn't whether or not Rush might be able to handle it. The question is what's the best way to develop him since we've got the luxury of having a young starter who's also learning on the job.

And I don't want to get too far afield from my point here, because there are a lot of guys who host want Moore off the roster. I'm not saying we need to keep three QBs. And I'm not saying Moore's on the team no matter what (though I think it's pretty unlikely he gets cut). I'm saying there's a rationale that makes sense for keeping three guys if that's what the team wants to do. On paper, Rush gets a year to work on footwork and accuracy, and Dak and Moore prepare for Sundays. If a backup ends up being necessary for more than mop up duty, I'd be right there with you saying that guy ought to be Rush and not Moore. He's earned it, at least so far, in preseason.

 

[Idgit]

Maybe you got it right. If Dak is injured he can still help Cooper on the sidelines. As for Dak...the quarterback coach is there for something, right?

I do concede that perhaps there is more value to the consultative value w/Moore than I'm seeing. (But I'm still not completely seeing it)

Yeah, we're not that far apart. I'm not in the tank for Kellen Moore by any stretch. I just think there are reasons why the coaches would like a vet buffer in the QB room if they can have it. If it becomes too expensive a luxury, then Moore is gone, but I think we'll be able to make it work.

However it plays out, people will be unhappy their pet cat got cut for a noodle armed QB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't say he couldn't work on mechanics at QB2. I said the could do it at QB3 without the distraction of having to know the game plan and prepare as a starter each week. He'll have preseason and all of next year to prepare as the starter and to work on that part of a QB's development.

And I didn't suggest there aren't situations where teams roll with a rookie QB2 and have it make sense. But there's a difference between doing that when your starter is Tom Brady as opposed to when it's a second-year Dak Prescott. If Romo were still here, we wouldn't be talking about keeping Moore on the roster.

The question isn't whether or not Rush might be able to handle it. The question is what's the best way to develop him since we've got the luxury of having a young starter who's also learning on the job.

And I don't want to get too far afield from my point here, because there are a lot of guys who host want Moore off the roster. I'm not saying we need to keep three QBs. And I'm not saying Moore's on the team no matter what (though I think it's pretty unlikely he gets cut). I'm saying there's a rationale that makes sense for keeping three guys if that's what the team wants to do. On paper, Rush gets a year to work on footwork and accuracy, and Dak and Moore prepare for Sundays. If a backup ends up being necessary for more than mop up duty, I'd be right there with you saying that guy ought to be Rush and not Moore. He's earned it, at least so far, in preseason.

If he puts in the work I fail to see how the other stuff would detract. He is still going to be expected to learn the gameplan each week as it is. The main difference is going to be the 20 or so practice reps he is going to get as QB2 with the offense. That is 320+ reps he would not get as the QB3.

All the individual drills and after practice mechanics work is going to be available either way. I fail to see how you think QB3s develop better than QB2.

Moore will not be picked up by another team. You can have him do all of the coaching as either a coach or PS player. He should never see an NFL field again as a Dallas Cowboy. IF you are intent on a vet than the scrap heap is the answer.

 

[casmith07]

Very convincing.

If there's no sense to it, why do a significant number of teams regularly keep underperforming vets on their rosters and not just roll with their starter and a developmental rookie?

Look around the league. It happens all the time.

Because those "underperforming" vets are basically the best available. I can probably only name 3 guys league wide who are in a backup role that I would NOT take over Kellen Moore - Chad Henne, whoever the hell the backup is in SF, and whoever is playing for the Jets.

At least the other "underperformers" have at least won a game in the NFL at some point. Or maybe even started a few.

Kellen Moore belongs with the Matt Cassels of the world - out of the league. Period.

 

[casmith07]

If he puts in the work I fail to see how the other stuff would detract. He is still going to be expected to learn the gameplan each week as it is. The main difference is going to be the 20 or so practice reps he is going to get as QB2 with the offense. That is 320+ reps he would not get as the QB3.

All the individual drills and after practice mechanics work is going to be available either way. I fail to see how you think QB3s develop better than QB2.

Moore will not be picked up by another team. You can have him do all of the coaching as either a coach or PS player. He should never see an NFL field again as a Dallas Cowboy. IF you are intent on a vet than the scrap heap is the answer.

This.

Even if you need to grab a guy because Cooper Rush is no good in the unlikely event that Dak is lost for the season, Kellen Moore will either be available or someone just as bad as him will also be available.

The point is also largely moot in my opinion anyway. If Dak misses significant time, you start getting the draft board ready for April 2018.

 

[fredp22]

Jerry

Jerry said they will keep him (Moore). So yes, he's will be on 53. Who knows, maybe he meant PS. As for Rush, he too is on the 53 (said Jerry).

Didn't know Jerry said that.maybe he was drunk or Moore must have pictures. What a waste.
Tnx for update

 

[T-RO]

As I understand it, Rush has had apprxomiately the same amount of offseason and preseason attention as Dak had last season at this point...

Rush is ready to be the #2 and doesn't need hand-holding from the guy he beat out. We aren't asking Rush to start.

Cooper threw a lot more passes in college and was in more of a conventional passing game than Dak was. Prescott didn't even know much about dropping back as Miss. was mostly all shotgun.

Let coaches coach and let the best players play...let Moore go.

 

[iceberg]

I have been a Cowboy Fan since they started in 1960. Father had season tickets for decades. Mistakes have been made, but why is god's green earth would they keep a bum like Moore when we will be cutting some very good players as it is???

It seriously irritates me. It makes zero sense. The guy cannot throw a football, has no presence in the pocket and gets rattled on most plays.

We have a very good football team and I swear if we loose a Noah Brown, etc. because of Numnuts Moore, I will loose it!

That is all, have a great day.

lose.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

For me the solution seems so obvious: Cooper Rush as the backup, Moore as an assistant QB coach. Problem solved.

 

[Verdict]

As long as Dak's in the lineup, they want Moore doing the stuff QB2s do, and Rush doing the stuff QB3s do. Those things are pretty different. You definitely need a QB2. The question is, is a guy good enough to use a spot on him as a QB3.

But for a developing rookie at the hardest position in sports, giving him a year to work on form and the playbook without the burden of game plans makes perfect sense.

And for a 2nd year starter who's developing into one of the best players in the league at his position, you want to give him a guy to bang ideas off of who's actually been in the system longer than he has.

Don't look at Moore as a guy who's not as good as either Dak or Rush who's inexplicably on the roster. He's a placeholder for Dak that helps him be a better starter and a guy who frees up Rush so that he can learn the job of NFL QB without the interruptions that come with the QB2 clipboard. Keeping Moore for one more year is better for both Dak and Rush in the long run, and costs almost nothing. I mean, it'll cost us an Emmit Cleary or whatever.

If Dak gets hurt, it'll probably be Rush getting the starter's reps in practice the next week, either way.

Please don't take what I am about to say as directed at you, or flaming you. I think your post is probably what the Cowboys will do, and are probably thinking. Having said that, I think that is a truly misguided thought process.

Moore is not good enough to occupy a roster spot. He probably isn't even good enough to take up a spot on the practice squad. If he can't perform at a high enough level to do what we need him to do he has no place on the roster. Rush would out play Moore, so keep two QBs and use that roster spot on someone we really cant afford to lose and who has ceiling high enough to warrant taking up a roster spot.

I would roll with 2 QBs (Dak and Rush). Dak proved a rookie can contribute and win. That should be considered in whether Rush can do it too.

 

[Verdict]

Is Neal worth losing a year of developing Rush? Because if he's your QB2 everything else goes out the window. I'm not so much arguing for keeping Moore, by the way, as suggesting what I think the team is probably thinking.

There's a Neal in just about every FA class. He might be named Bishop or Coleman or whatever, but those guys are out there. Personally, I wouldn't lose sleep over missing out on them. Especially not with the extra picks we'll have next season. Whatever we can do to develop the QBs, I'm all for.

If you had 3 Dak Prescotts on the team I would agree with you. But Moore has sucked in preseason. Sucked. Against players who won't even make an NFL roster. Last year at this time we elected to roll with Prescott at the helm as a true rookie. Rush has shown promise. If they think he is capable of being a legitimate backup (who probably won't see the field anyway) and he is better than Moore, then Moore should be cut. He has been in the league for YEARS and is being far out played by an UDFA ROOKIE.

 

[Verdict]

No matter how you cut it, QB2 prepares the way QB1 does each week. And QB3 doesn't have that responsibility.

Neither backup QB gets many reps. That's the nature of that position. But team's usually want a vet who knows the offense well on the bench as a result. They want a dynamic that's not competitive between the top two QBs. And they want a vet to guide the developmental QB because the starter can't do it.

I don't have much more faith in Moore than you do, but he fits the bill in terms of knowing the offense. He can finish a game for you. And that's all we're really talking about right now.

The bottom line isn't which player is better at their position. The bottom line is which is likely to help the team more. When you're talking about two backups, the question of what they give you when they're not playing becomes more relevant, since that's how they're more likely to contribute. And you get more from a backup veteran QB who knows the offense than you do out of another borderline young DL when your starter at QB is a second year player and you think you've got a young guy waiting in the wings to develop.

Fair enough. What do teams do who only have two QBs on their roster?

 

[calicowboy54]

I have been a Cowboy Fan since they started in 1960. Father had season tickets for decades. Mistakes have been made, but why is god's green earth would they keep a bum like Moore when we will be cutting some very good players as it is???

It seriously irritates me. It makes zero sense. The guy cannot throw a football, has no presence in the pocket and gets rattled on most plays.

We have a very good football team and I swear if we loose a Noah Brown, etc. because of Numnuts Moore, I will loose it!

That is all, have a great day.

i dont understand this thought process...

1. would you want Crush being backup and not ever seen NFL defenses be Daks confidant.
2. we've been saying for years we need a developmental guy and finally have one.

i think we should be happy we have both of them