Still juiced about Deuce

[KJJ]

What-the-hell?

The fact that a game is decided routinely means that everyone is trying to go home. You're smarter than this, no sarcasm. It means that the objective is to run out the clock, so everyone can go home, which means that the defense knows what's coming... and worse for Deuce's purposes... which means that the O-line isn't the same as what started the game.


Yikes.

You completely whiffed on that swing, my friend... the Jets clip above, rather, was (again) the rare instance of Deuce getting snaps when the game was very much still competitive.

Trying to be fair to you, I get it, and sometimes I've scanned instead of read whatever... but it's burned me sometimes. It happens.

I’m not about to waste any more time arguing about Vaughn. He’s too small to be an NFL RB. However, the new KO rule might work with him.

 

[blueblood70]

He will be great if we are playing flag football

I think you're wrong I think it's odd they didn't play flag football in Big 12 Division One football I mean the dude was only one of three players guys who actually played really well in the NFL and Darren Sproles end Tyler Lockett they have 5000 scrimmage yards in their career in college on the same team that literally is in good company and I don't think he was utilized properly here and matter of fact I don't know which some out flag football if you watched that video took two guys to tackle them or never even get them down and push him out of bounds he doesn't go down that easy he may be short but he's not small I realize he's too small to be a full time running back and just battering ram up the middle but if he was utilized properly which is not one of our running backs last year were utilized properly they tried to make Tony Pollard into a three down power back and he was not Rico dowdle should have took that role last year just been old zeke roll and then they should have brought in Tony in his regular position he's always done and if they would have brought in deuce fawn properly in real moments of real games when it wasn't obvious they were gonna run and just ran plays that suits him I don't see how you think that's flag football watch the video again the man didn't get touched and fell down he was a little harder to bring down than it looks for a guy that's short...

I mean I think it's laughable you think that he should be playing flag football when he was a big time college football player and even though he it won't transition to the NFL the same way if he's utilized properly he would be an asset...

 

[Mr_437]

Deuce is a player, in the mold/role of a Turpin - STs returner, WR/RB.

I think a healthy Turpin kicks Deuce off the 53.

 

[_sturt_]

I’m not about to waste any more time arguing about Vaughn.

We agree. That was a waste of your time.

 

[blueblood70]

Deuce is a player, in the mold/role of a Turpin - STs returner, WR/RB.

I think a healthy Turpin kicks Deuce off the 53.

That's not happening he's not gonna kick him off but he is holding him back but if they utilize their rotation better they just took some special teams away from Turpin and they've also made Turpin more of a #3 wide receiver and gave him more snaps there they would allow us to utilize deuce Vaughn to take the snaps away from lamb behind the line of scrimmage along with some of the things Turpin was doing and use more as a **** back the man has potential you can't have 5000 scrimmage yards as a starting running back in a Division One football program and act like he can't at least be a role player here and an effective one if used correctly..... I blame this on the coaching and they didn't use anyone last year correctly from the running back position so they like learn from their mistakes do spawn can be a great role player in this offense... It remains to be seen if our coaching staff even have that creativity in their brain if this guy was on another team like say the chiefs or the 49ers their coach would find a way to make this guy a legitimate role player he would be productive enough to keep his job...

 

[KJJ]

We agree. That was a waste of your time.

It’s a waste of everyone’s time. He might end up on the practice squad or be cut.

 

[speedkilz88]

Article from last year:


aol.com/news/deuce-vaughn-tops-dallas-cowboys-080000762.html

Reel Analytics, which used by a number of colleges in recruiting, including TCU, measures space position players like running backs, receivers, tight ends, linebackers and defensive backs. It give them a proprietary IGA Score derived from position-specific athleticism metrics extracted by video tracking technology. Each metric is weighted, contextualized by percentile rankings, and scored.

And not only was Vaughn’s score of 96.7 tops among all Cowboys drafted players, it was third among running backs, behind only Bijan Robinson (98.3) and Tank Bigsby (97.2), who were drafted in the first and third rounds by the Atlanta Falcons and Jacksonville Jaguars, respectively.

He was four spots ahead of Jahmyr Gibbs (92.1), who picked in the first round by the Detroit Lions.

“Deuce Vaughn is unique in two ways,” Yates said. “First, he has elite change of direction. His average change of direction time is under 0.3 seconds which is top 1% of 3,900 running backs in our database and the best in the 2023 draft class. Second, Vaughn has high-end breakaway speed. We clocked him at a max speed of nearly 22 mph in week 9 vs Oklahoma State.”

NFL Hall of Fame running back and TCU legend LaDainian Tomlinson is an unabashed fan of the pick by the Cowboys.

“I think Deuce can be a matchup nightmare out of the backfield,” Tomlinson said on NFL Total Access. “A lot of people are comparing him to Darren Sproles, who was one of the best ever out of the backfield running routes, creating mismatches. I see Deuce Vaughn in the same light. You can put Deuce Vaughn in the slot … There’s no way you’re going to stop him one-on-one running option routes. You can also bring him out of the backfield, put him on the perimeter …

“I’m telling you right now, the Cowboys will find a place and find a way to utilize Deuce Vaughn’s skills.”

 

[zrinkill]

If they used Deuce in screen plays he would be phenomenal.

If they use him like a battering ram against 6 man fronts like they did last year he is nothing.

 

[speedkilz88]

If they used Deuce in screen plays he would be phenomenal.

If they use him like a battering ram against 6 man fronts like they did last year he is nothing.

Yeah, trying to run the clock out time should have been delegated to Luepke.

 

[_sturt_]

If they used Deuce in screen plays he would be phenomenal.

If they use him like a battering ram against 6 man fronts like they did last year he is nothing.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/still-juiced-about-deuce.524651/post-13572725

 

[Typhus]

I just think Deuce is a very long shot to make it in the NFL. To me it looks like his legs are short, even for a short guy like him.

You will think differently when you see this coaching staff finally figuring out what Deuce can actually do with the ball in his hands in some space.
Not saying he can last very long trying to be a bull dozer with his size, but a smart staff can put him into appropriate positions to show what he has.
What Deuce has is fast movement in space,, make this happen.
Mini Man is ready to roam.

 

[KingCorcoran]

You will think differently when you see this coaching staff finally figuring out what Deuce can actually do with the ball in his hands in some space.
Not saying he can last very long trying to be a bull dozer with his size, but a smart staff can put him into appropriate positions to show what he has.
What Deuce has is fast movement in space,, make this happen.
Mini Man is ready to roam.

Who is the “smart” member of the coaching staff that will “put him into appropriate positions”? Obviously it has to be someone that was not on the coaching staff last year. Who is this smart guy?

 

[_sturt_]

Disappointing and frustrating when people accept the dandelion (shallow-rooted) conclusions so readily in lieu of the actually well-grounded conclusions rooted in what actually occurred.

If by "appropriate positions" one means devising specific schemes, you're overthinking it. If by "appropriate positions" one means simply giving the guy snaps behind a first-string O-line with some consistency... that's taking what actually occurred last season and... grounded in that... recognizing what needs to happen this season.

This whole line of thought, though, that there is anything complicated about it is misguided. Sure, you don't line up Deuce for 3rd and 2, and especially not when you have other options generally seen as productive in that circumstance. But 3rd and 6? Deuce is an exceptional receiver. Deuce is exceptional at making the first guy miss. And the second. And the third. And he's a threat on the draw as well. Virtually any other situation other than 3rd and short, Deuce is a weapon, for as long as you give him a credible set of blockers in front of him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

That’s college football. Look at his NFL tape. Some of you continue to be enamored by his college highlights.

Because that is the only tape there is of him getting a chance. The Cowboys sure didn't give him a chance. I keep repeating myself I know. But Big Mike failed Deuce so much last year it was criminal. He treated Deuce like a complete afterthought.

 

[mrmojo]

If all players were used appropriately they'd all be in the HOF including the coaches.....that's an impossible thing to do, you put your money and time into your best players that give you the best chance to win....and gear your team towards them, not to get a gadget player a few snaps.

 

[KJJ]

Because that is the only tape there is of him getting a chance. The Cowboys sure didn't give him a chance. I keep repeating myself I know. But Big Mike failed Deuce so much last year it was criminal. He treated Deuce like a complete afterthought.

He was given opportunities. With 2 backs ahead of him he wasn’t going to get much. Had he broke a run or two he may have more chances but he was taking some losses. Early in the season he helped kill a drive because of a negative carry. When a defender lays a hand on him he goes down immediately. He’s too small to play RB in the NFL and he can’t block. He might be effective with the new KO rule. If he can make one defender miss it could lead to a big return. On KO’s he’ll have some room to maneuver.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He was given opportunities.

When? When were there plays designed for him and he was put in to run them?

There weren't. He was never put into a position to succeed.

 

[KJJ]

When? When were there plays designed for him and he was put in to run them?

There weren't. He was never put into a position to succeed.

They’re suppose to design plays for their third back? If you need a special package of plays for him to be successful it’s not going to work out. You can’t just design several gadget plays to try and free him up. He ran the same plays the rest of our backs run within the offense. If he can’t run between the tackles or get free outside and block he’s not going to pan out. He’s going to end up in the UFL or one of the other leagues.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They’re suppose to design plays for their third back? If you need a special package of plays for him to be successful it’s not going to work out. You can’t just design several gadget plays to try and free him up. He ran the same plays the rest of our backs run within the offense. If he can’t run between the tackles or get free outside and block he’s not going to pan out.

Oh my gosh. YES you design plays for him. Not gadget plays. Real plays. Clearly you didn't see any of his games at K-St. You get him in our in space. Everyone breathing air knows that. He is very dangerous and quick back. Take advantage of that. It's the HC's job to put players in the best position to succeed. That didn't happen last year. Not even close. McCarthy said on draft day they would scheme up plays for him. Didn't happen. Completely wasted his rookie year. He did the same thing with Mazi and Luepke. I'd love to see what Deuce could do with a coaching staff that could take advantage of him instead of doing like McCarthy's staff did.

 

[KJJ]

Oh my gosh. YES you design plays for him. Not gadget plays. Real plays. Clearly you didn't see any of his games at K-St. You get him in our in space. Everyone breathing air knows that. He is very dangerous and quick back. Take advantage of that. It's the HC's job to put players in the best position to succeed. That didn't happen last year. Not even close. McCarthy said on draft day they would scheme up plays for him. Didn't happen. Completely wasted his rookie year. He did the same thing with Mazi and Luepke. I'd love to see what Deuce could do with a coaching staff that could take advantage of him instead of doing like McCarthy's staff did.

This isn’t K-St. The best way to get him out in space is using him in the passing game. The fact that we lost Pollard and didn’t draft a back, plus the new KO rule gives him an outside chance to make the team. The new KO rule will lead to a lot of good returns.