Stop trying to convince realists the defense is fine

burmafrd

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Our D is inconsistent. No arguement there. BUT they do have the talent to get the job done. Its the consistency that is the problem. They suck it up and make big stops late in games when it really matters. Wade does need to apply some more pressure on them in that regards- challenge them to do better. But the TALENT is there to be a fine D.
 

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Trendnet;1823817 said:
You're right!

The Cowboys are the worst team in the NFL...

They should lose the rest of their games to try and get a better draft pick!

Noone's saying that. But you can't help but be concerned about the defense. If the road leads to New England, then the way to beat the Pats is to beat up Brady. The Lions are have been pretty poor with their protections yet the Cowboys sure didn't seem to do much with their pass rush. The defense got manhandled for the most part.
 

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bbailey423;1823797 said:
Was this the same team that lost to the Commanders by 30...or to the Eagles by 40+?

We beat the Commanders and Eagles ..... so whats your point?

Oh ...... your point is that you are angry we did not blow them out.

:rolleyes: This is the NFL.
 

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CPonder14;1823755 said:
We are 12-1, but a team with a very good defense and a solid offense will give us a lot of trouble. Seattle comes to mind. Seattle can hold us to 20-29 points, and i can see them scoring 20-29 points on our D. Minnesota has a good D, and has a improving QB in Jackson. Tampa is also a team that could give us trouble. Now I'm not saying they will beat us, but we are by no means dominate over those teams.



Seattle ? Very good defense ? Exactly how many times have you seen them this year ? I'd take the Cowboys' defense ( whom I'm not too pleased with, but it's silly throwing them to the curve ) over Seattle's defense and I'd spot them 2 touchdowns.

Minnesota does NOT have a " good D ". They're good against the run, they can't stop the pass.

Tampa has a very, very good defense, but they have no offense.

Conclusion: unless the Colts or Patriots are moved to the NFC within the next 8 weeks, I'll take my chances with any team in the NFC.
 

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zrinkill;1823866 said:
We beat the Commanders and Eagles ..... so whats your point?

Oh ...... your point is that you are angry we did not blow them out.

:rolleyes: This is the NFL.
like I said....spin away....especially if it makes you feel better...but the "aw shucks we will fix it next week" is going to catch us.

I am a fan...a diehard fan....but their is nothing wrong with watching my favorite team and being happy with the win, but puzzled by the perfomance of our defense.
 

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bbailey423;1823797 said:
I mean am I making this stuff up...did I watch a different game than some of you? Was this the same team that lost to the Commanders by 30...or to the Eagles by 40+?


What does that have to do with anything ?

The Ravens almost beat the Patriots, but got embarrased by the Colts, and swepted by the Bengals.

The Eagles themselves almost beat the Patriots, so exactly what is your point ?
 

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burmafrd;1823902 said:
There are no really top Ds in the WHOLE NFL this year.
Exactly. And I wonder if the New England board was having this type of discussion last week. I mean the two teams won games in the past 2 weeks (Dallas yesterday, New England last Monday night) they had no business winning but good teams find ways to win.
 

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Interesting thread.

Yes, the Cowboys have their work cut out for them against the pass. At first, the deep pass up the middle seemed to be the biggest kryptonite against the Cowboys.

Detroit, just like last year, found a way to expose our short pass defense, especially on the outside.

I think what really surprised the Cowboys was the fact that they were able to run the ball on them. I think Detroit's ability to run really threw off the entire Cowboys defense and made them vunerable to the pass.

I think the Secondary had a bad game, but I think there were two primary reasons for that:

1. Jon Kitna had all day to throw, even when we blitzed and I don't think we sacked him once, at least in the 1st half we didn't

2. At some point, Jon Kitna and his receivers were in such a rhythmn, that Kitna was anticipating his throws (as Jaws likes to say) and was throwing the ball even before his receivers were making their cuts. Obviously, it is the defense's job to throw his timing off, which they finally did to give the offense the ball back.

Also, is it me, or did Jon Kitna seem to go after Anthony Henry, during the series where they were backed up in the endzone after Witten's fumble?

On the huge 3rd down during that series, he let Furrey catch one to bail them out. Later, he let Calvin Johnson catch a huge one as well.
 

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bbailey423;1823718 said:
It's not!...Is it better than last year? Probably. But we are an average defense that has looked good because our offense has been top notch. We are a team that is built to stop the run...that was how Parcells and most old school coaches think. Heck Troy Aikman even said the other day "I cringe when I hear coaches say we have to stop the run and run the football" But that is not true of the better teams in the NFL. Favre, Manning, and Brady will light you up if you cannot stop the pass. That should be where our concerns lie. Stop looking at how we perform against teams that will not be playing in January....those 3 teams should be our concern if we our THINKING Super Bowl.

It is ok to be happy with a win....but every fan who voices concern about the defense has a legitimate gripe if you ask me. Fans like me will not be the least bit surprised when if our season ends because of the defense....I guess the rest of you will complain AFTER it happens. But when we get in a single elimination tournament, there will not be any opportunities to "correct it next week"

We are big and slow for the most part on defense...that will need to be corrected this offseason. More speed in the secondary and at interior LBer is needed.

Hey im a realist so lets be real.

Is our defense flawless? Heck no. But at times it can be really really good.

Yesterday we got it stuck to us in a way that no other team has done to us in awhile and thats run the football.

Give Detroit some credit.

They also kept Demarcus Ware, Greg Ellis, and co from getting to the Quarterback. Thats extremely tough to do.

So give Detroit some credit for what they did yesterday.

Our defense has tons of room to improve but im more than happy with them from a big picture stand point.
 

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bbailey423;1823718 said:
It's not!...Is it better than last year? Probably. But we are an average defense that has looked good because our offense has been top notch. We are a team that is built to stop the run...that was how Parcells and most old school coaches think. Heck Troy Aikman even said the other day "I cringe when I hear coaches say we have to stop the run and run the football" But that is not true of the better teams in the NFL. Favre, Manning, and Brady will light you up if you cannot stop the pass. That should be where our concerns lie. Stop looking at how we perform against teams that will not be playing in January....those 3 teams should be our concern if we our THINKING Super Bowl.

It is ok to be happy with a win....but every fan who voices concern about the defense has a legitimate gripe if you ask me. Fans like me will not be the least bit surprised when if our season ends because of the defense....I guess the rest of you will complain AFTER it happens. But when we get in a single elimination tournament, there will not be any opportunities to "correct it next week"

We are big and slow for the most part on defense...that will need to be corrected this offseason. More speed in the secondary and at interior LBer is needed.

This is the team we have right not once the season is over Dallas will address areas they feel they need to upgrade until then this defense is not as bad as you are leading on and while they did have a bad game yesterday they made the big stop when this team needed it to get the ball back into the offense hands. If you think we are one and done in the playoffs that one opinion I don't agree with.
 

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I sure hope the Pats can make it to the playoffs even, their D collapsed in the Iggles and Ravens game......

Letting AJ Feeley have a career day...........
Ravens, who up to that point, could score in a Brothel........ran the ball at will vrs the Pats..........

and those 2 teams shut down the Pats offense........Welker or Moss not a big factor in either game.......

Its the NFL folks......tough to do it for 20 straight weeks, the other side gets paid also.......
 

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Randy White;1823881 said:
Seattle ? Very good defense ? Exactly how many times have you seen them this year ? I'd take the Cowboys' defense ( whom I'm not too pleased with, but it's silly throwing them to the curve ) over Seattle's defense and I'd spot them 2 touchdowns.

Minnesota does NOT have a " good D ". They're good against the run, they can't stop the pass.

Tampa has a very, very good defense, but they have no offense.

Conclusion: unless the Colts or Patriots are moved to the NFC within the next 8 weeks, I'll take my chances with any team in the NFC.

Seattle has a good D, hell theyve had 9 ints in 2 games.
 

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By the way, That Detroit team ran all over GB in the Thanksgiving day game also if you happened to watch it.

I think Bradie had a bad game. I think he head was not on straight with all the talk and he played a bad game. Most of the run damage was right up the middle where Akin and Bradie should have been ( I may be wrong about that)

I think the Oline for Detroit played inspired football in protecting Kitna (we can thank Newman for that one) I firmly believe that as Newman's comments fired up their Oline( just look at Railo's comments last week).

With that protection the type of passes that Kitna was throwing were pretty much indefenseable (even Aikmn said that)

With all that we held them to 7 in the second half.

I don't exactly know what more you can ask for. And as far as their D held us to 28, well that very easily could have been 35 if Witten does not fumble at the 1/2 yard line
 

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PullMyFinger;1823951 said:
Seattle has a good D, hell theyve had 9 ints in 2 games.

Seattle's D have been mediocre against the likes of St Louis with Gus Frerotte ( who lost the game at the one yard line on a fumbled snap ), the Bears with Rex Grossman, the Beagles with A.J. Feeley, and got their butts whipped by the Browns.

Their offense have been bailing them out for most of the year.
 

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bbailey423;1823737 said:
I am a realist....and I watch a LOT of football...and their are plenty of teams that don't let the opposition have career days every week. Sometimes I think our defense plays like some fans think..."just get the win" How about playing to DOMINATE someone? That NEEDS to be our mindset if we want to be Super Bowl champs. We concede too much on a weekly basis in my opinion. The Skins game should NOT have been close...they way we started out against Green Bay should have produced a drubbing...

Speed cannot be found with 3 games to go...but this offseason we MUST get more speed on defense

How many of those teams are 12-1????
 

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I wasn't thrilled with the way our defense played yesterday, but I will give this group credit in one important area that we lacked last year.

This year's defense seems to get stops and make plays in the clutch when the game is on the line!

It seemed last year, we didn't do that, especially down the stretch.

But this year, our defense is making the crucial play or getting the critical stop in the end to seal the game or give the ball back to the offense (this game, the Bills game, the Redks*ns game, etc).

That is huge, in my opinion, and that's why we're 12-1.
 

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I dont know about you guys but Im kind of tired of wathing WRs on opposing teams running free in our secondary. Half the time when someone completes a pass against us there isnt a defender even on the screen. McDonald was turning Henry, Reeves and yes Newman around like a pinata yesterday. No the defense isnt giving up very man long passes but at what expense?
 

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Doomsday;1824071 said:
I dont know about you guys but Im kind of tired of wathing WRs on opposing teams running free in our secondary. Half the time when someone completes a pass against us there isnt a defender even on the screen. McDonald was turning Henry, Reeves and yes Newman around like a pinata yesterday. No the defense isnt giving up very man long passes but at what expense?

I think part of it was Kitna did a good job releasing his passes before the WR broke for the ball. Timing just seemed to be very good between Kitna and his WR and the lack of pressure by the Cowboys front did not help matters.
 
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