Stopping the New Romo Myth

[percyhoward]

LOL stocked roster.

Why am I hearing the B-52's in my head right now?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Elway literally did take a weak supporting cast and carry them to multiple Super Bowls. Good luck finding many QBs who could take the kind of offensive skill players and unbalanced dependency on him they had and do the same.

He did not win championships until Denver had the zone running game as the foundation of their offense.

Romo has shown he is barely good enough to make the playoffs unless he has the support of a running game.

And before the panties start riding up, that is not a slam. Just a simple fact.

Elway did no such thing. Elway is a wildly overrated quarterback anyway, particularly in his first ten seasons. The idea that he carried any team to anything is laughable. Especially when he had defenses that make most of the Cowboys defenses trotted out during the Romo era look like high school teams. Pull the other lever.

 

[perrykemp]

Why am I hearing the B-52's in my head right now?

+1 for Rock Lobster reference.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

While technically true, you still haven't explained what makes it noteworthy. We might as well say "less is more with Brady, Manning, Romo, and Brees."

difference in passer rating after 30 attempts
(player's last five full seasons)
Brady -8.1
Manning -8.8
Romo -10.5
Brees -11.1

The problem with your argument is that it has nothing to do with the context that I'm speaking about.

My post is about *Romo* and only *Romo*.

Why would the Cowboys, Romo and Cowboys fans care if Tom Brady's passer rating drops after 30 attempts when he's playing in a completely different conference?

It would be like saying that Mike Trout hits low and outside sliders poorly and he needs to stay away from them and then pointing out that neither does Bryce Harper and Adrian Gonzalez. What do Gonzalez and Harper have to do with Mike Trout?

Nothing.

So, my comment is perfectly noteworthy.




YR

 

[DFWJC]

While technically true, you still haven't explained what makes it noteworthy. We might as well say "less is more with Brady, Manning, Romo, and Brees."

difference in passer rating after 30 attempts
(player's last five full seasons)
Brady -8.1
Manning -8.8
Romo -10.5
Brees -11.1

Great, myth crushing, point.

It's the important point that some here are missing.
Some (not all) apply "less is more" with a broad brush. I mean, if a QB went from 20 attempts to 15 attempts, I doubt less would more. It really only applies when the level of attempts begins to skew the balance of the offense. And also maybe a team is passing >30 times because they actually cannot run effectively--which would mean the defense is better prepared to defend he pass.

Yes, "less is more applies" to pretty much all QBs when throwing > 30 attempts on average.

 

[percyhoward]

Why would the Cowboys, Romo and Cowboys fans care if Tom Brady's passer rating drops after 30 attempts when he's playing in a completely different conference?

Context, maybe?

 

[ufcrules1]

I agree that the roster is in much better shape than it has been. The problem I have with Romo critics is they believe he has to play perfect week in/out for us to win. In that GB game what could he have done more that wouldve propelled us to a win? I saw QB in crunch time with basically the season on the line, make a perfect throw under pressure to our All Pro receiver who got screwed out of a clutch catch due to a poor call. Murray and the defense cost us that game.

I don't want to say much about the GB game. I felt we lost that game as a team. Saying Romo couldn't have done any better isn't completely true either. Some critics would say it was dumb to throw a bomb on 4th down with the season on the line when he didn't have to. He could have thrown a short pitch and catch to a wide open Beasley and continued the drive all while eating up clock. When you throw a ball deep down field it is a low completion % play. Romo doesn't have to be perfect for us to win but he does have to be exceptional in big time playoff games. You look at guys like Brady and Rodgers and they can completely take over a game and demoralize the other team. I don't think we have that with Romo. He needs everyone else around him to be exceptional.

 

[Alexander]

Elway did no such thing. Elway is a wildly overrated quarterback anyway, particularly in his first ten seasons. The idea that he carried any team to anything is laughable. Especially when he had defenses that make most of the Cowboys defenses trotted out during the Romo era look like high school teams. Pull the other lever.

The only thing laughable here is you suggesting that Elway was overrated.

No Hall of Fame QB played with a more mediocre surrounding cast.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I've seen this new Romo myth popping up, and we need to squash this right now.

There is this idea that Romo was able to have a great year because he wasn't the focal point of the offence. First I would say this is ridiculous. When Romo had bad games or wasn't healthy this team still lost even with the running game, and when Romo wasn't there at all this team lost.

I've always thought Romo was an elite quarterback, and that we would see that if he had the following things

- an offensive line that could protect him
- a running game
- and a defense.

Basically if he was on a good team, you would see how elite he was as this is what elite quarterbacks have. I think Romo was elite last year. I know he lead the league in QB Rating, and I think he lead in QBR as well, not positive on the latter though.

But it wasn't about DeMarco Murray directly. It was about the time of possession battle that helped this defense stay on the right side of the ledger.

Who are the two standard bearers at the QB position? Rodgers and Brady.

Aaron Rodgers became a starter in 2008, a year and a half after Romo became a starter. Romo missed some time due to injury, but so did Rodgers, yet Rodgers has 1600 attempts with a lead compared to Romo who only has 1325 attempts. Romo actually has a higher qb rating than Brady when they play with a lead.
Hell, he has a higher quarterback rating than Brady when they both are trailing. The problem with Romo is that he has 1913 attempts when trailing compared to 1325 attempts with the lead. That inbalance is hugely detrimental to Romo, and causes him to be far more aggressive.

2.84 td to interception rating with the lead
2.08 td to interception rating when trailing

The reason Romo was so good last year is that he at least hit 50/50 last year between trailing and leading.

Did the running game help this defense last year and as a result help Romo? Absolutely. Can an improved defense allow Romo to pass more in a game, without taking unnecessary risks? Again, absolutely. The key end game is to have the lead while conducting offense and not be FORCED to pass the ball. As long as we are passing the ball on our terms, we will see efficient high quality play out of Romo regardless to an extent of how much we actually run the ball.


A lot of people look at pass attempts in a game, ignoring the fact that if Romo has to throw the ball 40 times, it's probably a bad situation in the first place.

This team should create an identity of not necessarily a rushing offense, but an imposing one. One that sets the pace of the game not just in terms of time of possession, but in terms of points scored. And you score points by passing the ball. It's time to impose this offense on other defenses with Bryant, Witten, Williams, Beasley, Escobar e.t.c. I hope the offensive line can get to the point where they don't need to keep tight ends in for help.

You score points with this offense early and often, and you let what looks like it could be a great defense pin its ears back. I see no reason this team can't be better than the 2009 Saints. Hell, I think we were better than them in 2009...

Romo has had MANY great years. Romo has destroyed all his critics. And the new run game and Oline has proven the Romo naysayers as dead wrong.

Previously they had claimed that Romo threw picks and made poor decisions because he was a gun slinger and he was mentally weak. He simply made dumb plays. For those that have always seen the quality of Romo knew that there was simply waaaay too much put on his shoulders to carry the team. No run game, pass happy coaching, bad coaching, bad defense. Romo would have to win the game 3 different times every week because the defense would cave. Having to throw the ball 50 times a game for 300 yards and 3 TD's and no picks every week or we would lose. As soon as real team with real coaching was gathered around Romo, he didnt have to do it all and played that way. His best season as a pro. He doesnt force the ball anymore because he doesnt have to . And he isnt rushed when he throws as much. Simple football 101.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

The only thing laughable here is you suggesting that Elway was overrated.

No Hall of Fame QB played with a more mediocre surrounding cast.

Elway was wildly overrated in his first ten seasons and played with great supporting casts. Your knowledge of football is an embarrassment to the board.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't want to say much about the GB game. I felt we lost that game as a team. Saying Romo couldn't have done any better isn't completely true either. Some critics would say it was dumb to throw a bomb on 4th down with the season on the line when he didn't have to. He could have thrown a short pitch and catch to a wide open Beasley and continued the drive all while eating up clock. When you throw a ball deep down field it is a low completion % play. Romo doesn't have to be perfect for us to win but he does have to be exceptional in big time playoff games. You look at guys like Brady and Rodgers and they can completely take over a game and demoralize the other team. I don't think we have that with Romo. He needs everyone else around him to be exceptional.

LOL.........that is garbage. Romo has had incredible years most of his career with little around him and poor coaching. We lost the GB game because our defense got toasted in the 2nd half. Romo actually won the game with a perfectly thrown TD pass to Dez. Everyone and the opposing CB said it was a catch. The refs screwed the call. So now its Romo's fault we lost the game because the refs blew the call?

The Romo haters have no dignity when it comes to blaming losses on Romo. LOL

It was always hilarious to listen to, but its borderline sad now. I almost pity the Romo bashers like you. You arent able to enjoy how good he really is.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Elway was wildly overrated in his first ten seasons and played with great supporting casts. Your knowledge of football is an embarrassment to the board.

I have to agree here. Your knowledge of football is an embarrassment. Elway is without a doubt one of the greatest of all time. I have him top 5 no question. NO defense and no run game most of his career. When he finally got a run game, it was SB wins no problem.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Context, maybe?

I would love to see you use some.

Funny how you don't mention Aaron Rodgers...who has an increase of +6.02 QB rating on pass attempts 31+. By your logic, that is the same context.

And when we look at Romo's passer rating on pass attempts 31+, they are horrifically low:

Romo

2010: 69.9
2011: 73.7
2012: 95.0
2013: 77.5
2014: 126.2 (when we regulated his throwing attempts)

Compared to Brady's:

2010: 91.2
2011: 124.9
2012: 90.2
2013: 83.9

Or to Manning's:

2010: 85.8
2012: 100.8
2013: 113.3
2014: 97.8

Or even to Brees':

2010: 80.1
2011: 107.0
2012: 85.6
2013: 91.0
2014: 96.0

Out of all of those seasons, Romo has the worst 3 seasons (2010, 2011 and 2013).

So much for context.






YR

 

[Alexander]

Elway was wildly overrated in his first ten seasons and played with great supporting casts. Your knowledge of football is an embarrassment to the board.

I guess your insult and the use of the word embarrassment should be applied directly to your asinine take on Elway.

Elway played with his best teammates, clearly, from 1995-1998. Prior to 1994, his teammates were not very good at all. Only Bob Griese in his rookie year with the expansion Dolphins, Steve Young in 1986 with Tampa, Dan Marino in 1997, Bradshaw and Aikman in their rookie seasons, and Brett Favre’s first year as a starter saw teammates as collectively mediocre as Elway had in seven different seasons.

http://thebiglead.com/2010/10/08/hall-of-fame-qb-analysis-how-bad-was-john-elways-supporting-cast/

 

[ufcrules1]

LOL.........that is garbage. Romo has had incredible years most of his career with little around him and poor coaching. We lost the GB game because our defense got toasted in the 2nd half. Romo actually won the game with a perfectly thrown TD pass to Dez. Everyone and the opposing CB said it was a catch. The refs screwed the call. So now its Romo's fault we lost the game because the refs blew the call?

The Romo haters have no dignity when it comes to blaming losses on Romo. LOL

It was always hilarious to listen to, but its borderline sad now. I almost pity the Romo bashers like you. You arent able to enjoy how good he really is.

No, I never said it was Romo's fault we lost the game. Slow down and go re-read what I posted. It was a team loss on both sides of the ball. Our whole team played a pretty good game but mistakes were made on both sides of the ball that ultimately cost us the game. I think we were a better team than GB and were close to putting them away at one point but let them back in and ultimately lost. I'm not going to sit back and just blame our defense and say they were the whole reason we lost.. that isn't cool. That defense was not very talented but they NEVER gave up or quit out there in one game the whole season. I loved that about our team last year.

 

[DFWJC]

The comical thing is that there are people that are always on Romo's tail that can't really defend their arguments unless they use future Hall of Fame players as their comps. And even then, the comps are very tight and sometimes even fail.
That alone, you would think, would give them pause on bashing Tony so often.
But no...guess not.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I guess your insult and the use of the word embarrassment should be applied directly to your asinine take on Elway.


http://thebiglead.com/2010/10/08/hall-of-fame-qb-analysis-how-bad-was-john-elways-supporting-cast/

Yeah, let's just post random internet takes to support my paper thin position. Nice troll, troll.

https://chackattack.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/four-overrated-nfl-hall-of-famers/

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, let's just post random internet takes to support my paper thin position. Nice troll, troll.

https://chackattack.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/four-overrated-nfl-hall-of-famers/

So per your hot take, Aikman was overrated too. Talk about trolling.

 

[Alexander]

The comical thing is that there are people that are always on Romo's tail that can't really defend their arguments unless they use future Hall of Fame players as their comps. And even then, the comps are very tight and sometimes even fail.
That alone, you would think, would give them pause on bashing Tony so often.
But no...guess not.

More comical is that there are people who are so rabid to defend Romo they even go so far as to downgrade Hall of Fame QBs with rings on their fingers.

I guess it is too much to just accept Romo for what he has been and can be if the rest of his career is handled like it was last season.

 

[DFWJC]

More comical is that there are people who are so rabid to defend Romo they even go so far as to downgrade Hall of Fame QBs with rings on their fingers.

I guess it is too much to just accept Romo for what he has been and can be if the rest of his career is handled like it was last season.

Who's downgrading HOFers?
Certainly not me.