Strategy to acquire QB, DE and CB

[StarBoyz83]

Dallas is pretty much set on who they have. Don't expect anymore significant moves. Granted there wasn't really the whole off season but I don't see them doing anything more.

 

[waldoputty]

If Romo's healthy, I don't think we need a 27-year-old Pro Bowler behind him. It's a nice luxury, but it's more likely that we'll try to groom QBs until we have to replace Romo.

Plus, a 27-year-old Pro Bowler isn't going to sign to be Romo's caddie.

No, not easy.
By 2017, any QB can tell Romo's real contract probably ends in 2 years due to cap structure.
So only 1 year wait in 2017 at the most.

I really hope Romo can last the 2 years since we would have a good chance with him at the helm.
But it is starting to feel like Aikman near the end.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I would bet that he is never a top QB in this league.

Way to go out on a limb.

 

[DandyDon1722]

If Buffalo slaps exclusive franchise on, then we are done.
The argument is if they slap nonexclusive franchise on.
Do we go for it and lose 2 1st round picks and $20m/year or risk losing 1-2 years of OL/Dez/Zeke's primes?

I really think we are going to have to and i wish I was wrong but I don't see another viable scenario.

I believe when Tony's done Jerry is going to pull his one last huge deal with a bevy of first and seconds to move up to get a (hopefuly) franchise QB. He's been sitting on his hands for a few drafts now and as he always says, everything he is is the result of risk and he's going to show the world the true wildcatter that he is before he leaves this earth.

I just don't see any other way to snag a potentially great QB and when you look at the roster, there are a lot of really good players on offense who are going to outlast Romo. This is not all bad news because if I'm right and we do go all in and the guy is the franchise player we hoped for, we are relevant for another 15 years. If not - then we truly will be Buffalo.

 

[waldoputty]

I really think we are going to have to and i wish I was wrong but I don't see another viable scenario.

I believe when Tony's done Jerry is going to pull his one last huge deal with a bevy of first and seconds to move up to get a (hopefuly) franchise QB. He's been sitting on his hands for a few drafts now and as he always says, everything he is is the result of risk and he's going to show the world the true wildcatter that he is before he leaves this earth.

I just don't see any other way to snag a potentially great QB and when you look at the roster, there are a lot of really good players on offense who are going to outlast Romo. This is not all bad news because if I'm right and we do go all in and the guy is the franchise player we hoped for, we are relevant for another 15 years. If not - then we truly will be Buffalo.

the scary thing is romo could last 2 years or he may be done with the next hit.

For every Luck, there is a RGIII and Weeden.
you can blow your draft pick wad and end up with nothing.
i think Paxton would have been a mistake - too high a risk.

IF taylor is a probowler again, that sounds like a top -10 qb to me.
you dont make 2 consecutive pro bowls and be a dud or just lucky...
what is the chance the guy we draft will make the pro bowl, at best 50-50?

as sad as it is to lose 2 #1 and pay $20M, that sounds like the lowest-risk surest way to open a 6-7 year window.

 

[irishline]

If Taylor is a probowler again, that sounds like a top -10 qb to me.
you dont make 2 consecutive pro bowls and be a dud or just lucky...

First off Tyrod was not originally a "probowler". He got in as an alternate replacing Cam Newton. Actually he was the 5th alternate QB to get in after Teddy Bridgewater replaced Carson Palmer, Derek Carr replaced Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston replaced Tom Brady, and Eli Manning replaced Ben Roethlisberger. Russell Wilson was the only qb selected to the probowl to play in the game. That means he was technically the 11th qb selected to the probowl last year. 11th doesn't sound like top 10 to me.

Second, given that 32 of the "probowlers" that played the game did so because the players actually selected decided to not play in the game, added to the fact that it is mostly a fan voted popularity contest, does being a probowler actually mean much anymore?

That said I don't disagree with you premise. I do however agree with the rest that 2 first round picks for him is not good business.

 

[waldoputty]

First off Tyrod was not originally a "probowler". He got in as an alternate replacing Can Newton. Actually he was the 5th alternate QB to get in after Teddy Bridgewater replaced Carson Palmer, Derek Carr replaced Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston replaced Tom Brady, and Eli Manning replaced Ben Roethlisberger. That means he was technically the 11th qb selected to the probowl last year. 11th doesn't sound like top 10 to me.

Second, given that 32 of the "probowlers" that played the game did so because the players actually selected decided to not play in the game, added to the fact that it is mostly a fan voted popularity contest, does being a probowler actually mean much anymore?
That said I don't disagree with you premise. I do however agree with the rest that 2 first round picks for him is not good business.

Wow you got a good memory remembering the sequence of events of the pro bowl replacements.
Having so many qbs make the probowl does dilute its meaning.
Though his qb rating was ~100 and TD/int ratio was 20 to 6.
He passes dont look pretty, but his completion % was ~63.7%.
He is a true dual threat qb which creates headache for defenses, with 568 yards rushing.

It is interesting the large number of people saying if Romo is hurt, then we are done (including me).
But when it comes to pay the price for the replacement, then there is the problem.
I happen to think that our offense will be very dominant with a top 10 (11) qb who can pass and rush.

I dont think 2 #1s for a franchise qb is not too big a price.
This is for a qb, not some wr like Galloway.
But sounds like you just dont think Taylor is a franchise qb.

Well we shall see if Taylor makes the 'probowl' again in 2016.
If he does, 2 years in a row of good numbers like 2015 is more meaningful.
Having a qb inhouse for a seamless transition from Romo would be wonderful.

 

[jobberone]

Thanks. It seems a lot of people are dead set against it.
lol

It's not rocket science I hate to tell them. Have to have a good+ QB and good pressure up front.

 

[Paniolo22]

Dak runs a 4.79 and unproven in pro offense.
Taylor runs a 4.51 and has 99.4 rating and probowler.

Couple of things. Taylor has two throws that are not bad. The check down, and a pretty nice deep ball. His accuracy is sub par on short and intermediate routes, and he is a pocket bailer. I think you are also overvaluing "Pro Bowl QB". He was the 3rd or 4th alternate chosen and promptly threw 2 tds and 3 ints. He reminds me of Anthony Wright. Low middle type of QB, with higher upside because of his legs. As a passer, he needs lots of work.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Sorry but Tyrod is going to end up like RG3 in my opinion. He's gonna be popped by some linebacker like Burfict and his legs won't be the same. I don't want him as the Cowboys field general.

But to each their own. Everyone has players they like and don't like.

 

[waldoputty]

Sorry but Tyrod is going to end up like RG3 in my opinion. He's gonna be popped by some linebacker like Burfict and his legs won't be the same. I don't want him as the Cowboys field general.

But to each their own. Everyone has players they like and don't like.

actually i dont particularly like him.
just want a replacement for romo, and buffalo may leave him exposed...
could be garappollo but would be far less proven though would cost a lot less

 

[gimmesix]

No, not easy.
By 2017, any QB can tell Romo's real contract probably ends in 2 years due to cap structure.
So only 1 year wait in 2017 at the most.

I really hope Romo can last the 2 years since we would have a good chance with him at the helm.
But it is starting to feel like Aikman near the end.

A one-year wait for a Pro Bowl QB is one year too long. You're living a dream with Taylor.

Garappolo could conceivably be an option as a backup upgrade to Moore. However, I believe after drafting a fourth-round QB, Dallas won't be in the free agent market for a backup. The next step will be drafting a replacement for Romo. Based on Dallas trying to trade up to take Lynch, I wouldn't be surprised if we use next year's first-rounder to take his replacement.

I don't think we necessarily have to do that next year, but I think we need to take another QB at some point next year. Keep throwing darts at the position until we have to use a bullet. Of course, if injuries take out Romo this year, then we have to use a bullet.

 

[Primetime42]

I've stuck by this team through some stupid decisions.

Giving up 2 #1s and superstar money for Tyrod freaking Taylor would probably put me over the edge.

 

[waldoputty]

A one-year wait for a Pro Bowl QB is one year too long. You're living a dream with Taylor.

Garappolo could conceivably be an option as a backup upgrade to Moore. However, I believe after drafting a fourth-round QB, Dallas won't be in the free agent market for a backup. The next step will be drafting a replacement for Romo. Based on Dallas trying to trade up to take Lynch, I wouldn't be surprised if we use next year's first-rounder to take his replacement.

I don't think we necessarily have to do that next year, but I think we need to take another QB at some point next year. Keep throwing darts at the position until we have to use a bullet. Of course, if injuries take out Romo this year, then we have to use a bullet.

Well, does anyone have any confidence if Romo goes down?

If no, what can you do about it?

Taylor is the most proven QB available in 2017 and Buffalo may leave him exposed.
If he repeats his performance in 2016 (63.7% comp, 20 td vs 6 int), I think he is plenty good enough with OL/Dez/Zeke.
Just like Zeke and Collins, he knows what our other O/OL pieces can do for him.

If no Taylor, what you do?
Garappollo? Much less proven but cost much less.
Dak - we would not know much after 1 year until he plays a lot in 2016
- if Romo goes out 2016, everything and kitchen sink would be use on QB.
Draft - we are talking about 1-2 years to wait on a new QB to find out if he is any good.
That is at least 1-2 years of the primes of the OL/Zeke and Dez's remaining prime that we would be throwing out.

What other options do you have? None I can think of.
We did not keep drafting QBs every other year like NE and GB so we may have to pay the price.
Teams only have so long a window and the cap is rising so we have take a shoot.

 

[TheSport78]

The title of this thread should be renamed to: "How to set your franchise back 10 years"

 

[waldoputty]

The title of this thread should be renamed to: "How to set your franchise back 10 years"

lol, easy to complain.
if you are so smart, offer an alternative.

 

[waldoputty]

Couple of things. Taylor has two throws that are not bad. The check down, and a pretty nice deep ball. His accuracy is sub par on short and intermediate routes, and he is a pocket bailer. I think you are also overvaluing "Pro Bowl QB". He was the 3rd or 4th alternate chosen and promptly threw 2 tds and 3 ints. He reminds me of Anthony Wright. Low middle type of QB, with higher upside because of his legs. As a passer, he needs lots of work.

Sounds like you have seen a lot more tape on Taylor than me who has just seen his highlights.
If he accuracy is subpar, how is he getting his comp, td, int, rating stats?

Presume it is his scrambling that opens up the passing game?
If so, Cam's completion rate is below 60% - worse than Taylor's 63.7%.
Are you saying all dual threat qbs are basically low middle?

 

[gimmesix]

Well, does anyone have any confidence if Romo goes down?

If no, what can you do about it?

Taylor is the most proven QB available in 2017 and Buffalo may leave him exposed.
If he repeats his performance in 2016 (63.7% comp, 20 td vs 6 int), I think he is plenty good enough with OL/Dez/Zeke.
Just like Zeke and Collins, he knows what our other O/OL pieces can do for him.
If no Taylor, what you do?
Garappollo? Much less proven but cost much less.
Dak - we would not know much after 1 year until he plays a lot in 2016
- if Romo goes out 2016, everything and kitchen sink would be use on QB.
Draft - we are talking about 1-2 years to wait on a new QB to find out if he is any good.
That is at least 1-2 years of the primes of the OL/Zeke and Dez's remaining prime that we would be throwing out.

What other options do you have? None I can think of.
We did not keep drafting QBs every other year like NE and GB so we may have to pay the price.
Teams only have so long a window and the cap is rising so we have take a shoot.

No one should have any confidence if Romo goes down, but they also shouldn't expect the team to put a young, proven starter behind him just in case. That doesn't happen because usually teams can't afford it and because the young, proven starter doesn't want to ride the bench for a year.

I don't expect Dallas to go whole hog after Romo's replacement until he's gone. And to be fair, it's rare that teams spend a high pick on a QB while they still have a Pro Bowl QB playing.

I do expect the team to take advantage if a first-round-worthy QB is available where we draft next year, or to take one at some point.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Even if Romo isn't on the roster I wouldn't trade 2 number 1s for Tyrod. I rather go into the draft and make a move

 

[the_h0wey]

Tyrod Taylor is a dual-threat QB probowler in 2015 with rating of 99.4, comp % of 63.7%, 20 td and 6 int, and 568 yards rushing.

Tyrod Taylor is not in any way, shape or form, worth giving up 2 1st round picks for.