Strong side DE Dilemma

xwalker said:
Yes, Hughes would worry me. I've reviewed some of his game footage and he was just OK. His price will likely be super inflated due to his sack totals with were inflated due to playing with 3 All-Pro DL.
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Hughes has been a pretty dominant 4-3 WDE at every turn but if he is laughing at 7.5 to 8m per year then yea he's not for us anyways.

I thought Hughes might be a 5 years 30 mil type guy initially... that was probably about high end of what Dallas would do.
 
JeffInDC said:
Another young (26) SDE that's fits the EXACT same mold is available as well - Derrick Morgan from Tennessee.
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I've been floating his name out there for a few weeks now. Everyone is so focused on the three or four names they all hear about. There will be cuts made as well that we'll be looking at.
 
This SDE mess is so horribly overrated. Get two guys (one on either side) who can rush the passer and don't allow the defense to dictate to you. It's that simple.
 
stasheroo said:
Sheard seems to make the most dollars and sense.

Hardy would provide the biggest impact, but also the biggest cost.

The more I look at it, and the 'value' route that Stephen Jones alluded to, the more likely he seems.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the talk about only adding for value is a smoke screen. No GM starts the FA period by saying they are going to spend like Charlie Sheen on a bender. That said, it does seem like the most likely path and Sheard and Spencer being the guys they sign on "value deals". Hardy is the right fit in a fantasy football sense - and I'm sure the Cowboys have already done their due diligence on him - but its all question of how much money he gets.

I think they draft a DE in the first three rounds no matter what but a Sheard type (plus Spencer and the draft choice) probably is the most likely scenario. I think Hardy is the second most likely.
 
LatinMind said:
Well he didnt start because who was ahead of him? This guy named Terrell Suggs. Ever heard of him?
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Dumervil was a backup and he still didn't start. Him not being better than the guys in front of him is not an endorsement but an excuse.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Dumervil was a backup and he still didn't start. Him not being better than the guys in front of him is not an endorsement but an excuse.
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He didnt start because he's a better DL than a OLB. he is over 280lbs. he's 10 lbs heavier than any ravens Lber. McPhee is a better DL but thats why he most of his sacks came on the DL. Ravens play a hybrid defense. I guess you can McPhee a OLB when they had one 1 or 2 men with their hands on the ground. the majority of his snaps were on the DL.

Here you go, heres some education. Maybe next time you will actually read up on a player before trying to act like you have the answers as to why he didnt start.

He is too versatile to keep him at any spot.

Out of his 372 total pass rushes only 75 came strictly from the 3-4 OLB
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115 of his rushes came as either a LE or RE with his hand on the ground
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Suggs finished 11th rushing from the right side with a 9.2 PRP. Suggs generated 46 total pressures from the right compared to 44 for McPhee. The difference is, Suggs needed 405 rush snaps compared to only 188 for McPhee.
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Checkmate..point set match. Fatality. Bye
 
Now saying all that, IDK about you but to me that reads like a whole bunch of production from a guy who found his nitch this yr.
 
The best bet would be a cheap young guy with potential. Trade Weeden and a future pick to Jets for Quinton Coples. He could play the strong side, inside or from the right side. Coples is still young, an athletic freak and potential up the yinyang (i.e. still cheap)!
 
LatinMind said:
He didnt start because he's a better DL than a OLB. he is over 280lbs. he's 10 lbs heavier than any ravens Lber. McPhee is a better DL but thats why he most of his sacks came on the DL. Ravens play a hybrid defense. I guess you can McPhee a OLB when they had one 1 or 2 men with their hands on the ground. the majority of his snaps were on the DL.

Here you go, heres some education. Maybe next time you will actually read up on a player before trying to act like you have the answers as to why he didnt start.

He is too versatile to keep him at any spot.







Checkmate..point set match. Fatality. Bye
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I watched the Ravens play recently after some people bad mouthed Ngata's game. I watched the Texans, Saints, and Dolphins games recently and I watched them in the preseason last year although that was a long time ago at this point.

On third down, McPhee went out of the game in favor of Dumervil. It is what it is. He is not a ad pass rusher but he is not anywhere near dominant.

You are wanting to pay a $8m AAV to a projection DE from OLB whose stat line reads like Jeremy Mincey's. That is a self fatality.

The projection is not a sure thing. I would feel more confident had he been able to play 3-4 DE. Ngata and Canty do such a good job anchoring at DE that Baltimore LB are not often matched up on OT. He was fine against TE standing up but you are talking about that 7 or 5 technique shaded or down on the OT out at SDE. It's not the same thing remotely. Spencer's run production dropped off precipitously at SDE for example.
 
I think for such a critical need as suggested, we should invest a premium draft pick in it. Give me a young and hungry DE that is infinitely cheaper than is suggested in this thread and we will be fine. I want to address our needs through the draft so we don't have to keep going to the bank of Romo.
 
jterrell said:
Hughes has been a pretty dominant 4-3 WDE at every turn but if he is laughing at 7.5 to 8m per year then yea he's not for us anyways.

I thought Hughes might be a 5 years 30 mil type guy initially... that was probably about high end of what Dallas would do.
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Hughes was considered a bust before he got to Buffalo and played on a DL with 3 All-Pro players.
 
xwalker said:
Hughes was considered a bust before he got to Buffalo and played on a DL with 3 All-Pro players.
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Hughes played behind Freeney and Hughes in a 4-3 as a rookie (he tremendously needed to add strength)and then Indy switched to a 3-4 defense.
He was a first round pick based on his collegiate career and was outstanding day 1 of camp for Buffalo.

Again, he's been a good pass rusher at every level. One season for the worst Colts team in history is a blip on the radar.
In 6 starts after injuries even in the hybrid 3-4 , Hughes had 4 sacks,
 
While the majority of these players will prove to be worth less than the amount they signed for, it's quite clear that the majority of posters here do not know how free agency works.
 
Bwareinrings94 said:
I think for such a critical need as suggested, we should invest a premium draft pick in it. Give me a young and hungry DE that is infinitely cheaper than is suggested in this thread and we will be fine. I want to address our needs through the draft so we don't have to keep going to the bank of Romo.
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The only problem is that most of the best pass rushing DE's will probably be long gone by #27.

Surely, if Dupree or another pass rusher fell, we would probably pull the trigger at #27.

However, there may be some value in rounds 2 and 3 for a DE if this scenario plays out, just go BPA at #27 like last year.

This year Free Agency will probably be best to grab a DE who can start, you can still draft one if they fall to #27 or at least grab one in the 2cnd or 3rd round.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
I watched the Ravens play recently after some people bad mouthed Ngata's game. I watched the Texans, Saints, and Dolphins games recently and I watched them in the preseason last year although that was a long time ago at this point.

On third down, McPhee went out of the game in favor of Dumervil. It is what it is. He is not a ad pass rusher but he is not anywhere near dominant.

You are wanting to pay a $8m AAV to a projection DE from OLB whose stat line reads like Jeremy Mincey's. That is a self fatality.

The projection is not a sure thing. I would feel more confident had he been able to play 3-4 DE. Ngata and Canty do such a good job anchoring at DE that Baltimore LB are not often matched up on OT. He was fine against TE standing up but you are talking about that 7 or 5 technique shaded or down on the OT out at SDE. It's not the same thing remotely. Spencer's run production dropped off precipitously at SDE for example.
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Paul Kruger, Jarrett Johnson, Arthur Jones come to mind
 
Rogerthat12 said:
The only problem is that most of the best pass rushing DE's will probably be long gone by #27.

Surely, if Dupree or another pass rusher fell, we would probably pull the trigger at #27.

However, there may be some value in rounds 2 and 3 for a DE if this scenario plays out, just go BPA at #27 like last year.

This year Free Agency will probably be best to grab a DE who can start, you can still draft one if they fall to #27 or at least grab one in the 2cnd or 3rd round.
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You're right of course but, I just think a guy I covet like Sheard will not be brought in and in all likelihood we will see someone like an
Adrian Clayborn or Tyson Alualu brought in to cover the bases. I still think they will draft someone but the Cowboys have a couple of
guys they redshirted last year with injuries to they want to get a look at. Just don't be too sad if none of the top FA DE's come to Dallas
anytime soon!
 
BAT said:
The best bet would be a cheap young guy with potential. Trade Weeden and a future pick to Jets for Quinton Coples. He could play the strong side, inside or from the right side. Coples is still young, an athletic freak and potential up the yinyang (i.e. still cheap)!
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Throw in coakley and it's a deal
 
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