Sturm concedes: passing almost the exclusive way to win

[T-RO]

Bob Sturm does only two things: Collates data on the Cowboys, and explains its significance.

And I guess you believe the media outlets reports the news just as it is with no agenda. In truth I like Bob Sturm a lot--and usually respect his viewpoints. I also share his love of two-tight-end packages. To suggest he is interested in some sort of objective analysis with no opinions injected, however, is a little silly. Does such a thing exist?

While Dallas struggled, Sturm replied "personnel." Wanting an overly pass heavy attack and actually having the personnel to mount a pass heavy attack are completely different things.

That's a somewhat valid point, but I think the Cowboys might have found the solution to that problem: Don't play Roy til next year.

 

[Jimz31]

??Probably because they did??

Yes, they did.

 

[T-RO]

T-RO so I guess that long run by Felix for the TD upset you?

By no means. I love the running game...and you'll notice the best Cowboy runs usually have threat of pass action. That's why they are so devastating.

 

[T-RO]

Now Bill Simmons on ESPN is admitting his failure to see how irrelevant the running game has become compared to other factors.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100108

He writes:

The old adage of "you win in January by running the football and stopping the run" is dead.

 

[dcfanatic]

Sturm had his panties in a wad about the Cowboys passing too much several times this season.

FAIL.

He's talked about them getting too pass happy and not being balanced and running too many plays from the shotgun formation. This includes when they are at the freaking 2 yard line and try to trick there way into the End Zone.

Sounds like you read one thing and made a season long assumption of his views.

 

[T-RO]

I think the Cowboys will get maybe 5 or 8 (out of a 100) points benefit from having a superior running game versus the Eagles. But as Adam and I have contended: the team that throws with the most efficiency is almost certain to win.

 

[T-RO]

He's talked about them getting too pass happy and not being balanced...

You said I FAIL.

Then

You 100% conceded my point. :laugh2:


Sturm wanted less shotgun AND more running game. Get off his nuts.

 

[dcfanatic]

Now Bill Simmons on ESPN is admitting his failure to see how irrelevant the running game has become compared to other factors.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100108

He writes:

The old adage of "you win in January by running the football and stopping the run" is dead.

Just stop.

Last Sunday.

The Cowbys ran for 179 yards last and won.

The Eagles ran for 37 yards and lost.

There is a correlation.

Every game is it's own animal.

 

[Future]

In the last three games the Cowboys have been dominant on the ground....They've played their three best games of the year. I don't think thats a coincidence.

A succesful passing game might be more of a key to winning statistically, but it is running the ball that sets the tone. Whoever controls the trenches usually wins, and that is determined by who can run the ball.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

 

[dcfanatic]

You said I FAIL.

Then

You 100% conceded my point. :laugh2:


Sturm wanted less shotgun AND more running game. Get off his nuts.

It's not about being on his nuts.

I am a friend of his and I know his views. You are trying to say he had a certain view and that now he sees things in another manner.

FAIL.

You are uninformed.

And it's obvious you don't know what the term pass happy means.

T-RO, more like Don't Know.

As in you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[T-RO]

Just stop.

Last Sunday.

The Cowbys ran for 179 yards last and won.

The Eagles ran for 37 yards and lost.

There is a correlation.

Every game is it's own animal.

We won because our passing game was better than their passing game. Obviously I'm happy for the success of the running game but we can't think we are going to ride that to a victory on Saturday night.

2008 versus Giants:
Cowboys154 yards rushing
Giants 90 yards rushing
And we lost

2007 versus Seahawks
Seattle 92 yards rushing
Cowboys 116 yards rushing
And we lost

This game is on the defense and the passing game first and foremost.

 

[dcfanatic]

We won because our passing game was better than their passing game. Obviously I'm happy for the success of the running game but we can't think we are going to ride that to a victory on Saturday night.

2008 versus Giants:
Cowboys154 yards rushing
Giants 90 yards rushing
And we lost

2007 versus Seahawks
Seattle 92 yards rushing
Cowboys 116 yards rushing
And we lost

This game is on the defense and the passing game first and foremost.

So if we run for 37 yards and the Eagles run for 179 yards you can guarantee me victory?

 

[Future]

We won because our passing game was better than their passing game. Obviously I'm happy for the success of the running game but we can't think we are going to ride that to a victory on Saturday night.

2008 versus Giants:
Cowboys154 yards rushing
Giants 90 yards rushing
And we lost

2007 versus Seahawks
Seattle 92 yards rushing
Cowboys 116 yards rushing
And we lost

This game is on the defense and the passing game first and foremost.

I see the point you are making...but 90 and 92 yards rushing is still pretty succesful. And if I'm not mistaken, the Cowboys got a lot of those rushing yards against both teams in the first half. Definitely the Gints game...not sure about Sea.

 

[T-RO]

It's not about being on his nuts.I am a friend of his and I know his views.

That's convincing.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

I guess when Adam here, and Dungee and Bilichik and Cowher and Aikman and Dilfer and every manner of journalist is now coming around and saying, "It's no longer about the run"....I guess you would suggest that none of them know what they are talking about but that you do.

All the numbers are wrong. The fact that the top 12 most efficient quarterbacks ALL had winning records this season...just luck by your reckoning.

 

[Cover 2]

So if we run for 37 yards and the Eagles run for 179 yards you can guarantee me victory?

Assuming we have a higher YPA.

 

[dcfanatic]

That's convincing.


I guess when Adam here, and Dungee and Bilichik and Cowher and Aikman and Dilfer and every manner of journalist is now coming around and saying, "It's no longer about the run"....I guess you would suggest that none of them know what they are talking about but that you do.

All the numbers are wrong. The fact that the top 12 most efficient quarterbacks ALL had winning records this season...just luck by your reckoning.

It''s about balance.

That's what I am saying.

 

[Future]

I guess when Adam here, and Dungee and Bilichik and Cowher and Aikman and Dilfer and every manner of journalist is now coming around and saying, "It's no longer about the run"....I guess you would suggest that none of them know what they are talking about.

The league as a whole has become about the pass. But look at the last few champions.

Pitt, Indy, NE, NYG all ran the ball very well. I know that Peyton and Brady have been the best players on their offenses, but both of those teams had consistent success running the ball.

You can't just throw, throw, throw and win in the playoffs. If that were the case, Peyton and Brees would be in the Super Bowl every year. You MUST be able to run the ball.

 

[T-RO]

I see the point you are making...but 90 and 92 yards rushing is still pretty succesful. And if I'm not mistaken, the Cowboys got a lot of those rushing yards against both teams in the first half. Definitely the Gints game...not sure about Sea.

Hey of course I'll take a successful running game and good run defense. I love watching our trio of backs run or watch our upfront guys stuff a run.

But look...the team with the higher quarterback rating is going to win over 75% of games in this league, whereas run performance has almost no correlation to wins and losses. Say whatever you won't those are the statistics FACTS. The sheer numbers are overwhelming.

 

[Future]

Hey of course I'll take a successful running game and good run defense. I love watching our trio of backs run or watch our upfront guys stuff a run.

But look...the team with the higher quarterback rating is going to win over 75% of games in this league, whereas run performance has almost no correlation to wins and losses. Say whatever you won't those are the statistics FACTS. The sheer numbers are overwhelming.

I'm not arguing the facts. But saying that a passing game is more important than a run game is asinine imo.