Sturm concedes: passing almost the exclusive way to win

[T-RO]

My issue is the flawed concept that you don't 'run the ball to set up the pass.'

Do you have to do it? Certainly not.YAKUZA

Garrett has been superb at using one threat to set up another. When we are in shotgun we are constantly a threat to run the lead draw. Tony may look off a safety to set up a screen. Short passes sets up long pass. A fake sweep sets up a roll to the the opposition direction. We may threaten power run to the right only to use naked speed on a run to the opposite side of the field.

What some critics of called Garrett's "randomness" I view as unpredictability. I'd hate to defense against it! It's also increasingly about finding mismatches or openings.

I believe an offense must
1. Create space laterally and vertically
2. Pressure the defense on every down with speed
3. Utilize the plays that are most productive. In the NFL when the passing game is producing 6.8-9.2 yards per attempt...well HELLO...that means you pass the ball at least 60% of the time!
4. Protect your quarterback both with a good line and also with an arsenal of quick hitting pass plays.

 

[T-RO]

Tony has thrown for 300 yards in both previous wins ver Philly this year (with good ball protection).

I contend that you don't deviate from that game plan and expectation if you want to win tomorrow night. Throw it 60-40.

 

[billknows]

In the last three games the Cowboys have been dominant on the ground....They've played their three best games of the year. I don't think thats a coincidence.

A succesful passing game might be more of a key to winning statistically, but it is running the ball that sets the tone. Whoever controls the trenches usually wins, and that is determined by who can run the ball.

Agreed, a team that is capable of 100 plus yards on the ground ,changes the defense, keeping them guessing and makes them defend the whole field...

 

[ScipioCowboy]

And I guess you believe the media outlets reports the news just as it is with no agenda. In truth I like Bob Sturm a lot--and usually respect his viewpoints. I also share his love of two-tight-end packages. To suggest he is interested in some sort of objective analysis with no opinions injected, however, is a little silly. Does such a thing exist?

Speaking of strawmen, I never said or even intimated this.

Even if Sturm does harbor some insidious agenda, it certainly isn't the one you're assigning him. And, in this case, the stats bolster his position: The Cowboys were, indeed, inefficient out of the shotgun for much of the season.

It's one thing to accuse someone of having an agenda. It's another thing entirely to produce evidence of this agenda.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think a mod should change the title to "T-RO Fabricates"

 

[T-RO]

I think a mod should change the title to "T-RO Fabricates"

Even the guy who claimed to "know Bob" and "be Bob's friend" conceded that Bob had been critical of Garrett passing too much earlier this year.

Is Sturm going to get on his blog and say, "Hello Cowboy nation I was wrong" Heck no. But his recent post was a poignant and tacit admission.

 

[T-RO]

You Sturmites crack me up. What a funny guy to go all fetishistic over. He's smart enough but geesh...he was mostly a hockey fan when Troy Aikman was winning Super bowls. I don't think he played even pop warner football.

Troy knows more football in his stray pinky than Bob Sturm.

And Bob just about swallowed his microphone the day Aikman called in and busted him. Bob was so-red faced you could see it on the radio for his comments that had been critical of Jason and when Sturm inferred that Aikman lacked journalistic integrity in regards to Garrett.

The path has so many evidential bread crumbs it leads to a bakery where Bob is greedily licking his fingers. Sturm shredded Jason for throwing the rock too much.

Now he looks at the passing numbers all over the league and he says a big, "OOPS!"

 

[dcfanatic]

Even the guy who claimed to "know Bob" and "be Bob's friend" conceded that Bob had been critical of Garrett passing too much earlier this year.

Is Sturm going to get on his blog and say, "Hello Cowboy nation I was wrong" Heck no. But his recent post was a poignant and tacit admission.

Seriously. I conceeded? Where was this?

You are making yourself sound like a complete idiot.

All of these people on here know I am friends with Bob Sturm.

They also know you have no clue.

I already told you what his views are. He wants balance and he wants smart football that gives you an advantage over the defense by making them guess if the play will be a run or pass on every play.

You need to put the Madden away for a few hours.

 

[dcfanatic]

You Sturmites crack me up. What a funny guy to go all fetishistic over. He's smart enough but geesh...he was mostly a hockey fan when Troy Aikman was winning Super bowls. I don't think he played even pop warner football.

Troy knows more football in his stray pinky than Bob Sturm.

And Bob just about swallowed his microphone the day Aikman called in and busted him. Bob was so-red faced you could see it on the radio for his comments that had been critical of Jason and when Sturm inferred that Aikman lacked journalistic integrity in regards to Garrett.

The path has so many evidential bread crumbs it leads to a bakery where Bob is greedily licking his fingers. Sturm shredded Jason for throwing the rock too much.

Now he looks at the passing numbers all over the league and he says a big, "OOPS!"

Round One: Bob Sturm vs Troy Aikman

Balance. Listen.

 

[theogt]

In the last three games the Cowboys have been dominant on the ground....They've played their three best games of the year. I don't think thats a coincidence.

A succesful passing game might be more of a key to winning statistically, but it is running the ball that sets the tone. Whoever controls the trenches usually wins, and that is determined by who can run the ball.

If by this you mean whoever has more yardage per carry or whoever prevents more yards per carry is typically the winner, that's not the case at all.

Rushing efficiency has almost no correlation with winning whatsoever.

 

[theogt]

Even the guy who claimed to "know Bob" and "be Bob's friend" conceded that Bob had been critical of Garrett passing too much earlier this year.

Is Sturm going to get on his blog and say, "Hello Cowboy nation I was wrong" Heck no. But his recent post was a poignant and tacit admission.

The guy writes a considerable amount of words about each game every week. He has multiple blog posts in each week, breaking down the run vs. pass, personnel groups, etc.

Given this, if he's been critical of Garrett for "passing too much" you should be able to link to something he said.

So please link to something he said.

 

[ZeroClub]

Idiom of the Day: One-Note Johnny

Main Entry: One–note
Pronunciation: \ˈwən-ˈnōt\
Function: adjective
Definition - unvarying in tone or emphasis : monotonous <a one&#8211;note campaigner>
Associated Idiom: One-Note Johnny
Meaning - Someone who constantly talks about the same thing over and over again as if they had no idea that they were notorious for talking about the same thing over and over again.

 

[T-RO]

Fair enough, theogt. Listen to this very link:

http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/bobvstroy_nov30.mp3

He calls Troy "disengenous" for talking about it becoming a passing league. What a loser, Sturm. You Suck! (At least you sucked that day!)

Sturm not only slams Garrett for passing too much he then goes off on Aikman for "defending him."

He basically is calling out Aikman as a journalist.

 

[theogt]

Fair enough, theogt. Listen to this very link:

http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/bobvstroy_nov30.mp3

He calls Troy "disengenous" for talking about it becoming a passing league. What a loser, Sturm. You Suck! (At least you sucked that day!)

Sturm not only slams Garrett for passing too much he then goes off on Aikman for "defending him."

He basically is calling out Aikman as a journalist.

He didn't call him out because he disagreed with him. He called him out because Troy has said the exact opposite in the past and he thought Troy was changing his tone now only because of Garrett.

What's funny is that Sturm actually makes the point that his position has been mischaracterized. Sturm knows that passing efficiency is the most important factor in winning.

 

[dcfanatic]

Fair enough, theogt. Listen to this very link:

http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/bobvstroy_nov30.mp3

He calls Troy "disengenous" for talking about it becoming a passing league. What a loser, Sturm. You Suck! (At least you sucked that day!)

Sturm not only slams Garrett for passing too much he then goes off on Aikman for "defending him."

He basically is calling out Aikman as a journalist.

Aikman isn't a journalist.

I get it now.

Is your name Snookie in real life?

 

[dcfanatic]

He didn't call him out because he disagreed with him. He called him out because Troy has said the exact opposite in the past and he thought Troy was changing his tone now only because of Garrett.

100% correct.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Easy. Listen to this very link:

http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/bobvstroy_nov30.mp3

He calls Troy "disengenous" for talking about it becoming a passing league. What a loser, Sturm. You Suck! (At least you sucked that day!)

Sturm not only slams Garrett for passing too much he then goes off on Aikman for "defending him"

He basically is calling out Aikman as a journalist.

Once again, criticizing Garrett for "passing too much" is not synonymous with denying the importance of the passing game.

As Sturm has maintained throughout his blogs, it's an issue of personnel. Earlier in the season, the Cowboys were not an efficient offense when they went exclusively to their shotgun or skewed too heavily towards pass. This was largely because of personnel shortcomings at the time. Sturm even said that teams such as Indianapolis and New England were justified in being so pass heavy because they had the requisite quarterback play and depth at receiver.

Should a team feature the passing game early and often?

Absolutely...if it has the personnel to do so.

 

[Future]

If by this you mean whoever has more yardage per carry or whoever prevents more yards per carry is typically the winner, that's not the case at all.

Rushing efficiency has almost no correlation with winning whatsoever.

It's a combonation of running the football and keeping your QB upright. I'd wager a bet that if a team has a greater ypc and allows the least QB pressure wins.

 

[T-RO]

I'd wager a bet that if a team has a greater ypc and allows the least QB pressure wins.

Glad to see you are coming around! Props!

 

[Future]

Glad to see you are coming around! Props!

yards per carry?