Sturm Debunks Dak and Dunk

[Kevinicus]

His first two drives were going swimmingly until if idiot penalties that put us in long yardage situations. How is that his fault? He only missed 4 passes and we won

Am I in some bizzaro zone where people complain about 12-2 and a QB who just had a great game?

You must be, because not a single person has complained about being 12-2. And nobody has "complained" about the QB either. Criticism or the belief that there are better options is not complaining.

 

[Doomsday101]

It was working well early in the season, but the gears are starting to grind.

The offensive line and Zeke are in high gear, while Dak is starting to bog down the machine.

LOL oh please he is bogging down his 88% completion seta NFL record vs Tampa. If that is bogging down the offense give me more of it.

 

[Kevinicus]

He couldn't be further from a bus driver. Bus drivers don't routinely make plays. Don't mistake Dak making smart plays instead of costly stupid ones for being a bus driver.

But Dak doesn't routinely make plays. He routinely takes the safe route. He makes a play every now and then, but it is far from routine.

 

[Clove]

If you let something you have absolutely no control over determine whether you're a loser or a winner, no wonder you're so whiny all the time and always threatening to quit.

I'm at total peace with myself. My blood pressure is beyond normal, and now that we have a new QB, I'm happy with the direction of the team now. I only want to win a Super Bowl, I'll let guys like you cry about guys like me.

 

[Direwolf63]

Dallas destroyed bad football teams early in the season. The offensive line toys with them like a dog with a wounded grasshopper.

But those won't be the teams in the playoffs.

Actually, Dallas is 6-2 against teams with a winning record: Wash (2), Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. Only losses are to the Giants.

I don't believe there is another NFL team that can match that. Percy could confirm this. He posted a list that gave these records a couple of weeks ago.

 

[SDCowboy]

Last time Cowboys were in the playoffs against GB, Romo throws deep ball to Dez and he did not secure the catch (or whatever).

And somebody out here on these forums was complaining that he could have thrown the ball to a wide open Beasley for 10-15 yrds and a first down. Instead of taking a chance on Dez at > 30 yrds.

Not saying anything bad about Romo. But the situation is relevant to the discussion everyone is having.

Exactly. Dak makes smart logical plays that keep the chains moving. It's the same thing Tom Brady does (no I'm not saying Dak is Brady). Brady's game is about making smart, seemingly non-flashy plays. Over and over. And not making mistakes on risky ones. That's the same way Dak plays.

 

[erod]

LOL oh please he is bogging down his 88% completion seta NFL record vs Tampa. If that is bogging down the offense give me more of it.

Whoopty-do. No touchdown passes, and one touchdown drive. Dink and dunk for nothing.

 

[erod]

Exactly. Dak makes smart logical plays that keep the chains moving. It's the same thing Tom Brady does (no I'm not saying Dak is Brady). Brady's game is about making smart, seemingly non-flashy plays. Over and over. And not making mistakes on risky ones. That's the same way Dak plays.

LOL, holy moly. That's hilarious.

 

[SDCowboy]

LOL, holy moly. That's hilarious.

Please elaborate...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He couldn't be further from a bus driver. Bus drivers don't routinely make plays. Don't mistake Dak making smart plays instead of costly stupid ones for being a bus driver.

Sure they do. It's not like Dak is consistently making plays when he is behind the chains. By his own admission he is at his best when he takes what they defense gives him. That is the definition of game management.

Great QBs dictate. He is not there yet.

I'm not saying that Dak sucks. I am simply pointing out the negatives and limitations which otherwise get biased away as people rush to anoint him.

 

[Blake]

LOL, holy moly. That's hilarious.

If the truth is hilarious then I guess you have a point.

 

[erod]

Actually, Dallas is 6-2 against teams with a winning record: Wash (2), Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. Only losses are to the Giants.

I don't believe there is another NFL team that can match that. Percy could confirm this.

It's all relative. Everybody was beating Green Bay at the time. Pittsburgh was struggling with an injured Roethlisberger. Washington blew Dallas out if not for Cousins' misfires. The Baltimore win was impressive.

Lately, it hasn't been pretty unless you like to watch Chris Jones and Dan Bailey.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

True Dak has 20 passing TD and yet his rushing 6 TD gives him 26 TD on the season. In my eyes that is a pretty damn good weapon in the redzone when the defense can cover all WR but because of Dak athletic ability can't account for him in those situations.

Rushing TDs, especially of the short variety, for a QB are about as irrelevant as can be. The average QB will just hand off to the league's leading rusher and be done with it. Frankly it's more notable for being a fantasy irritant for Zeke owners than anything. I sure wouldn't trade a QB who could actually throw a football in tight spots for a dink and dunk bus driver who could run a few in from an already advantageous spot. That's for sure.

 

[gmoney112]

Whoopty-do. No touchdown passes, and one touchdown drive. Dink and dunk for nothing.

Gee whiz, all that dinking and dunking only has us as one of the most efficient per play teams in the league, and the #1 offense in Aikman ratings.

Go watch some of the rest of the NFL. Your ignorance is laughable.

 

[Dodger12]

More so than other top QBs because of his issues anticipating throws and throwing people open.

He does a good job finding open receivers and is remarkable beating the blitz as a result. Coverage is what dismantles him.

You rush a bunch of people at him and at worst he escapes upfield. Play good coverage and he doesn't trust his eyes, starts feeling ghosts, and generally gets the yips.

According to his splits, Dak has 262 throws 10 yards or less, 118 in the intermediate 10 to 30 yards, and 13 throws downfield more than 30 yards.

He used to actually throw it downfield more earlier in the season but stopped except for that ill advised throw into double coverage against the Giants.

Now you would need to normalize it because most QBs throw it short but the lack of deep attempts is glaring and stands on its own.

I will give you a ton of credit Fuzz, as you called some of this earlier in the season and I recall one of your post game "thoughts" thread where you were getting a ton of heat for raising some of these issues regarding Dak. I actually disagreed with you somewhat and was fairly satisfied in Dak's game at that time and thought he went deep plenty enough, especially as a 4th round rookie.

I do find it odd that folks can all watch the same game and come to different conclusions on an issue regarding where Dak throws the ball. It's obvious he doesn't go deep. My eyes don't deceive me. The plus side is he's good at finding the open man and taking the safe pass on shoirt and intermediate rouotes. Nothing wrong with that, especially as a rookie. But it does seem like a penalty is almost fatal and kills a drive. And this conservative approach can (obviously) win you games but the one thing I mentioned earlier in the year in one of your threads was how well the D was playing. This system can work as long as the D is routinely stopping your opponent and getting turnovers. Dak has been the beneficiary of some pretty solid D the last few weeks or some of these things you're pointing out would emphasized. It'll be interesting come playoff time, that's for sure.

 

[erod]

If the truth is hilarious then I guess you have a point.

Tom Brady dictates everything. Dak just dumps off to the safe receiver. There is a huge difference if you understand football, buddy.

 

[Direwolf63]

It's all relative. Everybody was beating Green Bay at the time. Pittsburgh was struggling with an injured Roethlisberger. Washington blew Dallas out if not for Cousins' misfires. The Baltimore win was impressive.

Lately, it hasn't been pretty unless you like to watch Chris Jones and Dan Bailey.

These are excuses.

It's December football. If you want pretty, watch Victoria's Secret fashion show.

 

[erod]

Gee whiz, all that dinking and dunking only has us as one of the most efficient per play teams in the league, and the #1 offense in Aikman ratings.

Go watch some of the rest of the NFL. Your ignorance is laughable.

One touchdown drive against Minnesota.

One touchdown drive against the Giants.

One touchdown drive against Tampa.

Enjoy your empty, meaningless stats. Or go learn football. Your choice.

 

[willia451]

Brice Butler can get down field too but the deep ball isn't the prerequisite in this offense and Dak does occasionally take a shot down field the 50yd bomb to Dez in the Steelers game for a TD is a prime example of this so if it's there he sees it he takes it.

I remember that play. Dak almost got sacked and threw it up for Dez in single coverage and Dez bobbled it and almost dropped it. I thought he was going to fall down. But he hung on for the TD.

Just saying.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Please elaborate...

Well for starters Brady has 4 less games played and already has more passing TD. He also has more passes downfield.

A rate of increase of 30% is humongous.