Sturm Debunks Dak and Dunk

[Doomsday101]

Let's calm down, both of us. No bad history between you and I.

Look at this with more depth. This isn't about Dak versus Romo. This is about Dak AND Romo.

Romo is a vastly better QB than Dak right now. Not even close. It's like comparing Einstein to a grad student. In time, that will change.

We don't know if Romo can take a hit anymore. Maybe he can't. But if he can, he's just better than Dak, who's playing like this is Mississippi State right now and getting away with it because he's on the best offense in the NFL.

There are so many plays on the field Romo could make that aren't getting made. No, he can't scramble out like Dak. But he can sure throw the back shoulders to Dez, and he can get receivers down the deep seam. He can check out of bad plays with ease, and he can operate much quicker in the pocket.

I want Dak to LEARN from Romo.

Romo is a better passer but Dak puts pressure on defense with his ability to run the ball, Romo is not going to tuck it and run for big yardage to move the chains Dak will. Romo will take more chances with the ball and at this stage Dak will not which is why he has 4 ints on the season. From a pure passing stand point I agree with you but Dak brings an element that Romo can't. His play has helped this team to a 12-2 record he has faced top ranked defense and has won games. I love Romo but one reason he does get hurt is because he will not throw the ball away he will try to make the play all the time and leaves himself exposed to big hit, it has lead to big plays, it has lead to big ints and it has lead to his injuries. I love Romo but this is Dak team period. People can make all their argument but the coaches have the final say and Dak is the QB

 

[dogunwo]

The problem with using YPA to try to show that a QB isn't dinking and dunking is that YPA doesn't tell you how much of that 7.93 is air yards and how much is YAC.

Look at Air Yards per Attempt for the answer.
1 Winston 4.86
2 Ryan 4.84
3 Cousins 4.79
4 Mariota 4.71
5 Prescott 4.61

On Dak's average attempt of 7.93 yards, he gets 4.61 yards from air yards (5th in NFL) and 3.32 yards from YAC.

I am confused on why "air yards per completion" is not a stat. Seems like that would be more relevant than including a bunch of attempts that net zero yards.

 

[Clove]

Guys who fling the ball all over the field are susceptible to:

Sacks
Fumbles
Int
Unnecessary HITS
Fast Pace Game

Guys who throw it some, allow the run to do some, and just move the chains are susceptible to:

Slow moving games
Lower scoring games
Less turnovers
Less QB hits
Time of possession.

The Dallas team of the 90s played this way, they came away with 3 Super Bowl titles in less than 4 years.

No team has won back to back Championships in decades, I'm betting that's why.

If Dallas builds a solid defense, with the way they play on offense right now, they will dominate the next 10 years.

 

[SDCowboy]

I am confused on why "air yards per completion" is not a stat. Seems like that would be more relevant than including a bunch of attempts that net zero yards.

Well for the sake of this discussion, attempt is more relevant than completions.

 

[dogunwo]

Well for the sake of this discussion, attempt is more relevant than completions.

Do the incomplete passes count for the air yards, or do they just net zero for that attempt?

 

[erod]

Well, we don't have bad blood but here's the thing. Romo may be the better passer or not, we don't know because Dak doesn't take unnecessary chances. His unwillingness to down field as often as people would like, has actually lead us to a 12-2 win. I don't know if Romo's high flying passes mean much because of the record we have. Guys tend to think that flinging the ball all over the field is a good thing. Grinding out wins, and just winning is good.

Look at Golden State last year, putting up record numbers while Cleveland would just grind it out. Look who's the champ?

Look at Atlanta, putting up record breaking numbers but yet, they're 9-5. Flinging the ball all over the field does NOT equate to victories. It just doesn't. So if you think by Romo putting up huge passing yards, huge victory numbers is the end all to be all, you're not living in the real world of football.

Look at Romo in 2014. He had a similar team to this one, and he should have been league MVP with 34 TDs, 9 ints, and 70% completion percentage. Played tremendously well against Green Bay in the playoffs.

Other years, Romo had to play Jedi with 4-12 rosters. Those are bad comparisons.

Romo has reached that rare level of understanding that few QBs do. And he has the team to take advantage. Dak is still feeling his way on pure instinct, and the big elite defenses are smelling his uncertainty.

 

[Clarkson]

Sturm totally misses the point. Apparently, Jerry Falwell didn't teach mathematics very well at Liberty University, his alma mater.

Yards Per Attempt can be very misleading.

If you throw passes for 8 yards on 20 consecutive passes, you have a tremendous YPA. But you are dink and dunk.

If you throw 20 passes for 30, 2, 3, 20, 0, 1, 50, 4, etc, and total 160 yards, then you have the same YPA. But you aren't dink and dunk.

Reason number 1,000 why I hate statistics.

Sample size matters, and his sample is plenty big. He hasn't thrown 300 8-yard passes.

 

[SDCowboy]

Do the incomplete passes count for the air yards, or do they just net zero for that attempt?

If I'm not mistaken, an incomplete counts as zero. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Regardless, though, he's still in the top 5 in the stat any way it's sliced.

 

[Doomsday101]

Guys who fling the ball all over the field are susceptible to:

Sacks
Fumbles
Int
Unnecessary HITS
Fast Pace Game

Guys who throw it some, allow the run to do some, and just move the chains are susceptible to:

Slow moving games
Lower scoring games
Less turnovers
Less QB hits
Time of possession.

The Dallas team of the 90s played this way, they came away with 3 Super Bowl titles in less than 4 years.

Now team has won back to back Championships in decades, I'm betting that's why.

If Dallas builds a solid defense, with the way they play on offense right now, they will dominate the next 10 years.

Except we are not a low scoring team Dallas ranks 4th in the NFL with 26.1 points a game.

 

[JJHLH1]

Guys who fling the ball all over the field are susceptible to:

Sacks
Fumbles
Int
Unnecessary HITS
Fast Pace Game

Guys who throw it some, allow the run to do some, and just move the chains are susceptible to:

Slow moving games
Lower scoring games
Less turnovers
Less QB hits
Time of possession.

The Dallas team of the 90s played this way, they came away with 3 Super Bowl titles in less than 4 years.

Now team has won back to back Championships in decades, I'm betting that's why.

If Dallas builds a solid defense, with the way they play on offense right now, they will dominate the next 10 years.

Great analysis. And most importantly this seems to be what the Cowboys coaches think as well. It appears they are building the team for just such an approach, which is the exception in the NFL. Hopefully they will be rewarded for their return to smash-mouth fundamental football. Dak is a perfect fit for this team which is why he is the man.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

In your mind. But I've won a long time ago. For 10 years, I've been the winner. You see, every year we go home, I've actually lost cause I'm a Cowboys fan, but I've won the Romo debate. And now that he's on the bench, I outright win.

And now we have a new young super star QB that can do big things in Dallas. And after some time, if he proves he's a choker, I'll turn on him as well. So yeah, you're right, game set match, against you.

If you let something you have absolutely no control over determine whether you're a loser or a winner, no wonder you're so whiny all the time and always threatening to quit.

 

[percyhoward]

I am confused on why "air yards per completion" is not a stat. Seems like that would be more relevant than including a bunch of attempts that net zero yards.

It's basically Dak's first half against the Eagles.

You can complete one bomb, and still go 3 of 12 for 60 yards. That's an "outstanding" 20.0 ypc, but just 5.0 ypa.

 

[SDCowboy]

Except we are not a low scoring team Dallas ranks 4th in the NFL with 26.1 points a game.

Yep. This will likely be ignored like the other facts, though. The amount of facts being glossed over in this thread are staggering.

 

[Kevinicus]

You do realize is ypa.......yards per attempt which means how far the ball went before it was caught. Has nothing to do with how many yards total after the catch

 

[maxdallasfan]

meanwhile....The Great Carson Wentz, one who can do no wrong, and has no help, and carries the team by himself, has dropped his average to 6.3. So low, he's on Page 2 of the stats on NFL.com.

Peasant

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Given the lack of interceptions (one total) to bring down the rating that is remarkable.

 

[ringmaster]

In the red zone lmao.

Romo to Dez back shoulder throw was unstoppable in 2014. While Dak cant even throw for a TD against TB

Actually he did throw one to Dunbar that was called back due to a Smith holding penalty remember.

 

[SDCowboy]

In this thread, Dak being a dink and dunker has been debunked, as has the team being low scoring...yet the negative beat rolls on around here.

 

[bayeslife]

BS, this offense produces tons of big plays. They're just often called back for holding.

Dak converted several 3rd downs called back due to a penalty that ended up hurting his pass attempts. And even on 18 attempts he was very efficient.

 

[erod]

Except we are not a low scoring team Dallas ranks 4th in the NFL with 26.1 points a game.

Dallas destroyed bad football teams early in the season. The offensive line toys with them like a dog with a wounded grasshopper.

But those won't be the teams in the playoffs.