Sturm: Morning After: Developments on the Offensive Line in Canton

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

xwalker said:
They didn't. Gurode showed up after the lock-out in a condition that prevented him from being an option. Free Agency and the draft were already over.

BS. Total BS. There were options out there and they chose NOT to do anything.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

Verdict said:
Don't confuse people with actual facts. If you are going to argue actual facts you have to give advanced notice to make it fair for the other posters.

what facts? Gurode on the advice of his own doctor waited to have the operation. He was going to be kept as the starting Center had he been willing to take a pay cut like Free did. He said no and Jerruh and company gambled that Costa could do the job. He couldn't.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

Verdict said:
I actually think Costa is a pretty good player at this point but didn't play all that well last night. I think he is a valuable backup, but not starting material at guard (based on his play last night) , and Frederick is a much better center.

Having said that, and agreeing with your premise (to at least some extent) the extreme viewpoint you take on this issue really erodes your credibility and negates the weight given otherwise valid view points you make. It also polarizes others against you. I'm just sayin'......

anyone that thinks Costa is a pretty good player does not have much judgement period

jobberone · Aug 5, 2013

MichaelWinicki said:
Vela made a pretty good point the other day in that he felt that it takes Free longer (due to confidence or what not) in order to "buy in" to a blocking scheme and the techniques involved. Free has had 3 offensive line coaches and had a rough initial time with two of them.

This year is Free's second under Callahan and Vela mentioned that Free's confidence level is sky-high compared to last year's camp. Free's even taking to helping teach Parnell.

Wow! Missed this totally. All I've heard is Free is doing well. This adds a little more. I want to see him and Parnell in the rest of the preseason esp the 4th game.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

MichaelWinicki said:
Not sure why... He did just fine in the limited time he was out there.

Many sources have him being the best offensive lineman in camp so far.

He's finally wrapped his head around what Callahan wants him to do.

why don't you quote some of those 'sources'

jobberone · Aug 5, 2013

burmafrd said:
anyone that thinks Costa is a pretty good player does not have much judgement period

So says the self appointed voice of us all!

MichaelWinicki · Aug 5, 2013

burmafrd said:
why don't you quote some of those 'sources'

Better yet, you find some sources that say he looks like crap.

MichaelWinicki · Aug 5, 2013

burmafrd said:
why don't you quote some of those 'sources'

Here's one... http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...free-off-to-good-start-at-training-camp.html/

Let's see if you can bring anything to the table other than an (empty) agenda?

MichaelWinicki · Aug 5, 2013

burmafrd said:
why don't you quote some of those 'sources'

And here's another... http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...ys-training-camp-oxnard-tyron-smith-tony-room

Next time don't bring a knife.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

MichaelWinicki said:
Here's one... http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...free-off-to-good-start-at-training-camp.html/

Let's see if you can bring anything to the table other than an (empty) agenda?

YOU SAID

Many sources have him being the best offensive lineman in camp so far

your SOURCE said

“He has had a good start to camp so far,” Garrett said “He continues to work very hard. He is a very smart football player. He is a good leader for the group up front. He communicates well. He has some technical things that he is always working on to play stronger.”

AS I HAVE SAID

your reading comprehension is horrible

show me where that made him the best OL in camp

MichaelWinicki · Aug 5, 2013

burmafrd said:
YOU SAID

Many sources have him being the best offensive lineman in camp so far

your so called SOURCE said

“He has had a good start to camp so far,” Garrett said “He continues to work very hard. He is a very smart football player. He is a good leader for the group up front. He communicates well. He has some technical things that he is always working on to play stronger.”

AS I HAVE SAID

your reading comprehension is horrible

show me where that made him the best OL in camp

Hey, if you don't like see a Cowboy succeed so be it.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

MichaelWinicki said:
Hey, if you don't like see a Cowboy succeed so be it.

so?

Your first attempt was a miserable failure and your second is not all that. But keep trying. I find it amusing

MichaelWinicki · Aug 5, 2013

burmafrd said:
so?

Your first attempt was a miserable failure and your second is not all that. But keep trying. I find it amusing

I feel sorry for someone having to go through life with such an attitude.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

your second one does not work. What a surprise.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

MichaelWinicki said:
I feel sorry for someone having to go through life with such an attitude.

I am sorry for you - just admit that no one that really knows much would call Free the best O lineman in camp

MichaelWinicki · Aug 5, 2013

burmafrd said:
I am sorry for you - just admit that no one that really knows much would call Free the best O lineman in camp

Always with the negative.

burmafrd · Aug 5, 2013

MichaelWinicki said:
Always with the negative.

I always face the brutal truth

and you play Tom Cruise very well

meanwhile I have things to do. Have fun

Risen Star · Aug 5, 2013

Idgit said:
No! No, no, no. Not his worth. Just unraveling your estimation of his worth. The two are not nearly the same.

And, yes, I'm happy to stand behind the group we've currently got proscouting for us. I"m not into sugarcoating...not sugargcoating. What is it you put on things to make them taste horrible but that doesn't run me afoul of the language filtes? Snydercoating, maybe? I'm not into Snydercoating recent performance just because it's positive or related to Jerry or Stephen Jones.

You said a lot without saying anything.

Phil Costa is a stiff. The fact that Jerry and Stephen Jones extended him means nothing as to what kind of player he is. They could write a series of books on their bad personnel decisions. Save that kind of stuff for the Ozzie Newsomes and Ron Wolfs of the league.

I could play that same game and say the twins went out and used their 1st round pick on his replacement. Showing what kind of player he isn't. But who cares? Nobody with any sense would use one of their decisions to validate a player's ability. Watch the play on the field. He can't play and won't ever be able to play.

Vintage · Aug 5, 2013

Verdict said:
I think most of us agree that Tucker and Pettiti sucked. Most of us will jump on that band wagon with you and "whip and ride". LOL. I'm just not sure quite yet that Costa is as bad as they were.

I can understand people not wanting Costa
as a starter.

But worse than Tucker or Pettiti? Laughable.

TwoDeep3 · Aug 5, 2013

Idgit said:
Love Sturm's stuff, but that was a message-board-rant quality overview of the last three years' juggling of the o-line. And not a good one at that.

The reason his comments seemed message board was because there were a few of us saying that very thing over the last few years about the offensive line.

I know Risen Star has been grousing about the offensive line for going on two years.

Sturm nailed it, but it was evident when the team picked up spares from other teams and called them serviceable.

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