Sturm On Cowboys Contract Handling

[Stash]

How exactly was it evident that Maliek Collins is a better player? In 2 fewer games Crawford had more tackles and only one half fewer sacks (5 vs 4.5).

Crawford in 2 fewer games had 7 more hurries than Collins did. Crawford was 16th in the NFL. Collins was 160th.

Yes, Crawford makes a lot more money. But saying Collins is a better player is a lie, unsupported by any objective measures.

Nice try. But the truth is inconvenient at times eh?

So let me get this straight, you're trying to compare the pass rushing numbers between a defensive tackle and a defensive end?

Seriously?

 

[windward]

@Sturm1310 hit the nail on the head with this article...

- The Cowboys use this practice out of necessity and the Romo trade situation (or lack thereof) is a product of this malpractice. No team wants to take it on because it's simply not worth the money vs the injury risk. That's why the Broncos and Texans are willing to wait it out until we cut him.
- The same thing happened with Ware as well, we tried offering a trade but no team was willing to take on his ballooned contract due to the constant restructures.
- I do like the fact that the Cowboys have been able to convince poor performing players to take pay cuts (Free and Carr) but this isn't a sure fire thing.
- I think its comical that fans/bloggers convince themselves that we stay away from the top tier FAs because its not a good way to build a team. However that is hyperbole, because it doesn't mean you go out an build your entire team from FA. 1 top tier player and 1 mid tier player can make a world of difference but we cant even do that because we are paying out ballooned contracts that we can't even make an offer. The storylines seem to always be you overpay but that also has to do with how exactly the contract is structured. Players don't always go with the max money especially ones that are looking to play for a contender.

The most ironic thing to me though is that it's obvious that Jerry has taken a backseat to Stephen and Will but the same old "snake oil salesmen pitch" has fooled some of you into thinking that we have changed.

Our restructures wouldn't affect either Denver or Houston in a trade. They are only responsible for base salaries.

 

[fredp22]

Don't bring me problems without solutions.

run your cap like the other 31 teams

 

[Idgit]

@Sturm1310
The most ironic thing to me though is that it's obvious that Jerry has taken a backseat to Stephen and Will but the same old "snake oil salesmen pitch" has fooled some of you into thinking that we have changed.

He's completely fooled me that we have changed, because the way we approach contracts and free agents has, 100%, changed.

There's not much I recognize from your description of how we operate, honestly. We generally stay away from top-tier FAs, because getting expensive players at a high premium is expensive. Of course, if the cap's in better situation you can afford some luxury signings, and we've definitely been in a situation in recent years where that's been difficult to justify. But then we've also had a top QB in his prime during that time, and have been extending our own prowlers as their contract come up.

Regardless, Tony's contract isn't prohibitive in any way at this point. The $14MM he's do is a relatively value for his ability. And the lack of guaranteed money on the subsequent years effectively make them club options that are too hight for the club to use, but they don't tie the club to him beyond the first year, and they give both parties a basis to renegotiate after they see what they've got here in 2017. The only issue comes about if they don't want to pay Tony $14MM or if they want that structured in a way in case he gets hurt. Neither of which things had anything to do with how the Cowboys restructure deals.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So let me get this straight, you're trying to compare the pass rushing numbers between a defensive tackle and a defensive end?

Seriously?

Crawford played both DE and DT. DT because that is his better position. DE out of necessity. And he was a more productive player than Collins was.

And you should educate yourself on this defense. The RDE and 3T are the primary pass rushers in this defense.

But nice try on the deflection.

 

[fredp22]

Restructuring is part of the process. It gives you flexibility as to when and where you spend money. (and the ability to have money to spend when you need it) Otherwise, you are locked up in a jail with absolutely zero flexibility.

no one does it as often as the Cowboys. its a tool and shouldn't be a common procedure. The downside is u get players in the same boat as Romo. No one wants to touch the existing contract because of all the dead money. We should have gotten a 4th-3rd for him if the contract wasnt such a mess

 

[waldoputty]

no one does it as often as the Cowboys. its a tool and shouldn't be a common procedure. The downside is u get players in the same boat as Romo. No one wants to touch the existing contract because of all the dead money. We should have gotten a 4th-3rd for him if the contract wasnt such a mess

romo's contract is not prohibitive.
$14M per year is nothing for a qb - look at who just got $15/16m a year...
if anything is prohibitive, it is his fragile body.

 

[LocimusPrime]

So let me get this straight, you're trying to compare the pass rushing numbers between a defensive tackle and a defensive end?

Seriously?

Man Defensive Ends and edge rushers get so many more sacks than DTs as a group. Gotta agree w you

 

[fredp22]

romo's contract is not prohibitive.
$14M per year is nothing for a qb - look at who just got $15/16m a year...
if anything is prohibitive, it is his fragile body.

cap hit this year is 14mm plus 5mm bonus plus 5.7 restructured for 24.7 or 19.6 in dead with a cut. 2018 is 8.9 million dead or 19mm salary plus 5.7 restructured money, and 2019 is 3.2 in dead money or 20.5mm salary and 3.2 restructured money.

ur correct on injury but contract is huge factor

 

[Bluestang]

LOL at you guys saying its not prohibitive...if that was the case how come teams aren't lining up to trade for him??? Why is it that these teams are adamant that they will not trade for him?

It's absolutely hilarious that some of the fan base thinks that we have changed philosophies on FA. We simply can't afford difference makers, and its why we have to bargain basement shop so yes we have changed...out of necessity. And yes we are signing our own guys too but so are other the other relevant teams.

We have the best offensive line in football, but what do we have show for all that $$ spent? I could go on because there are other fundamental problems with the team but I'll keep this discussion about the misuse of the cap.

 

[waldoputty]

cap hit this year is 14mm plus 5mm bonus plus 5.7 restructured for 24.7 or 19.6 in dead with a cut. 2018 is 8.9 million dead or 19mm salary plus 5.7 restructured money, and 2019 is 3.2 in dead money or 20.5mm salary and 3.2 restructured money.

ur correct on injury but contract is huge factor

the cap hit on the bonus is on Dallas, not the new team.
they pay 14M as far as i know.
that is a bargain for a superbowl quality qb.

 

[waldoputty]

LOL at you guys saying its not prohibitive...if that was the case how come teams aren't lining up to trade for him??? Why is it that these teams are adamant that they will not trade for him?

It's absolutely hilarious that some of the fan base thinks that we have changed philosophies on FA. We simply can't afford difference makers, and its why we have to bargain basement shop so yes we have changed...out of necessity. And yes we are signing our own guys too but so are other the other relevant teams.

We have the best offensive line in football, but what do we have show for all that $$ spent? I could go on because there are other fundamental problems with the team but I'll keep this discussion about the misuse of the cap.

i did a 5-year projected cap table for signing multiple free agents.
it would have been trivial to sign 2 free agents with 15m aav EVEN with the $10m of small contracts.
we can do it right now.

a 15m aav 5 year can easily be structured to have a year 1 impact of $5-$6 mil.
after we get into 2018, there is roughly $40mil of cap space without even restructuring anyone.

 

[yimyammer]

cap hit this year is 14mm plus 5mm bonus plus 5.7 restructured for 24.7 or 19.6 in dead with a cut. 2018 is 8.9 million dead or 19mm salary plus 5.7 restructured money, and 2019 is 3.2 in dead money or 20.5mm salary and 3.2 restructured money.

ur correct on injury but contract is huge factor

I believe Waldo was addressing your statement:

No one wants to touch the existing contract because of all the dead money.

The terms you laid out are what it would cost the cowboys, not what it would cost a team that decided to trade for Romo and accept his contract. Those terms for Romo would be:

14 million in 2017
19.5 million in 2018
20.5 millón in 2019

none of which is guaranteed by the team who acquires him nor is there any dead money they would have to take on, thats all on Dallas

 

[fredp22]

the cap hit on the bonus is on Dallas, not the new team.
they pay 14M as far as i know.
that is a bargain for a superbowl quality qb.

on a trade the new team picks up the remaining contract including the pending restructured amounts. Thats why teams are laughing at the thought of a trade but waiting on line for a release

 

[fredp22]

I believe Waldo was addressing your statement:



The terms you laid out are what it would cost the cowboys, not what it would cost a team that decided to trade for Romo and accept his contract. Those terms for Romo would be:

14 million in 2017
19.5 million in 2018
20.5 millón in 2019

none of which is guaranteed by the team who acquires him nor is there any dead money they would have to take on, thats all on Dallas

u may be right but I dont think so. A restructured bonus is money owed but not paid yet so the new team would absorb the cost in a trade. Romo has 14.6mm in restructured bonus to be paid

 

[yimyammer]

on a trade the new team picks up the remaining contract including the pending restructured amounts.

could you elaborate what you mean by this please sir?

 

[Idgit]

LOL at you guys saying its not prohibitive...if that was the case how come teams aren't lining up to trade for him??? Why is it that these teams are adamant that they will not trade for him?

It's absolutely hilarious that some of the fan base thinks that we have changed philosophies on FA. We simply can't afford difference makers, and its why we have to bargain basement shop so yes we have changed...out of necessity. And yes we are signing our own guys too but so are other the other relevant teams.

We have the best offensive line in football, but what do we have show for all that $$ spent? I could go on because there are other fundamental problems with the team but I'll keep this discussion about the misuse of the cap.

Team's haven't traded for him because they know he's looking to go one of two places. One of those places is content to sit tight. The other is counting on us letting him go prior to the draft. It's not a big market. That said, Romo's still a Cowboy, so we'll see what happens.

If you don't recognize the team has changed its approach to free agency in there's no point debating it. But they've very obviously changed their approach.

 

[yimyammer]

u may be right but I dont think so. A restructured bonus is money owed but not paid yet so the new team would absorb the cost in a trade. Romo has 14.6mm in restructured bonus to be paid

The bonus has already been paid, thats how they deferred the cap hit into the future and lessened the cap in the year it was paid.

The restructured bonus money you are referring to now makes up part of the remaining dead money; add the $5 million signing bonus and you get the total remaining dead money the cowboys have left to absorb ($19.6 million)

 

[haleyrules]

cap hit this year is 14mm plus 5mm bonus plus 5.7 restructured for 24.7 or 19.6 in dead with a cut. 2018 is 8.9 million dead or 19mm salary plus 5.7 restructured money, and 2019 is 3.2 in dead money or 20.5mm salary and 3.2 restructured money.

ur correct on injury but contract is huge factor

Yep. Its why he will be released. No GM is trading for that contract unless the Cowboys eat it...and they will not.

 

[waldoputty]

on a trade the new team picks up the remaining contract including the pending restructured amounts. Thats why teams are laughing at the thought of a trade but waiting on line for a release

did you see what a team just paid mike glennon?