Sturm On Cowboys Contract Handling

[Stash]

SDE or 3T like before. I know you think that we will lose a competition. I think you would be surprised one again.

Disappointed would be the word.

 

[Stash]

SDE or 3T like before. I know you think that we will lose a competition. I think you would be surprised one again.

It's disappointing. I enjoy our conversations, but it seems that all we do is debate about Crawford.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's disappointing. I enjoy our conversations, but it seems that all we do is debate about Crawford.

Bro, we are in accord almost in most things. Sitting around and agreeing is boring to me. Do you want to talk about how good a runner Zeke is for example?

 

[Stash]

Bro, we are in accord almost in most things. Sitting around and agreeing is boring to me. Do you want to talk about how good a runner Zeke is for example?

That's true. I just hope that neither of us takes any disagreements personally. Deal?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's true. I just hope that neither of us takes any disagreements personally. Deal?

Of course.

 

[Alexander]

From Andrew Brandt:

2. In my time in Green Bay managing the cap, I resisted the annual temptation to mortgage (restructure) Brett Favre’s contract for cap purposes—“short-term gain for long-term pain”—so we would not leave a large cap charge in his wake (his “dead money” was $600,000). My not-so-humble brag is relevant now that Tony Romo leaves behind a cap charge of $19.6 million, whether taken as a hit this year or spread out between this year and next. The Cowboys will be operating with this debit on their cap, their highest player cap charge, for a player who will likely end up playing elsewhere.

I know I have been critical of teams like the Cowboys or Saints in their cap management, but there are consequences such as 1) letting players go to market rather than being able to be proactive and lock them up and 2) not playing with a full deck due to non-roster charges eating up cap space. The Cowboys are now paying the bill on Romo; Drew Brees’s bill with the Saints will come due in the next couple of years.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/14/nfl-free-agency-business-football-10-reflections-andrew-brandt

 

[CowboyRoy]

there is currently 8.4m of cap space after all the signings.
if and when romo salary is gone, that is $13.5 mil roughly. that is a lot of cap space for whatever is left in the FA market.

next year, there is about $33mil of cap space once romo's salary is gone.
that is not including a single restructure, which could easily provide another $30M of cap space.
that would be about $60m.
you can easily borrow ~$13m of the $60m cap for 2017 if restructuring a couple contracts this year like dez and tcrawford

In order to get 13 million over the cap we had to restructure a couple of contracts. So that right there meant we couldnt do under normal circumstances. And the 13 million, most of that you will need to sign draft picks. That leaves very little to sign FA's. Bottom of the barrel.

And we may have much more cap space next year, but that is only because we can unload Romo's salary. Which was certainly not part of their grand scheme. That more or less fell into their lap.

One would think without Romo's salary on the books next year we could sign some better players. I have no doubt they will.

 

[waldoputty]

In order to get 13 million over the cap we had to restructure a couple of contracts. So that right there meant we couldnt do under normal circumstances. And the 13 million, most of that you will need to sign draft picks. That leaves very little to sign FA's. Bottom of the barrel.

And we may have much more cap space next year, but that is only because we can unload Romo's salary. Which was certainly not part of their grand scheme. That more or less fell into their lap.

One would think without Romo's salary on the books next year we could sign some better players. I have no doubt they will.

not most, i think draft pick allocation this year is 5-6million.
7-8 million is plenty to bring in a top 15m a year FA due to the typical cap/signing bonus structure
but there is no more FAs left on the market, so that is moot.

depending on romo's final situation, actually the cap may gain another 9 million.
since it would not be used, it would simply be rolled into next year.

we could have easily used some of that substantial cap space next year this year.
we typically restructure tcrawford's salary but we did not this year.
that would have been 7-8 million, which could have been used on a top FA.
there is dez's salary also that was not restructured.
both these contracts end after 2019 so these are not long term.
furthermore, we are not cutting dez, and tcrawford salary is guaranteed for 2017 so we are not cutting him either.

 

[CowboyRoy]

not most, i think draft pick allocation this year is 5-6million.
7-8 million is plenty to bring in a top 15m a year FA due to the typical cap/signing bonus structure
but there is no more FAs left on the market, so that is moot.

depending on romo's final situation, actually the cap may gain another 9 million.
since it would not be used, it would simply be rolled into next year.

we could have easily used some of that substantial cap space next year this year.
we typically restructure tcrawford's salary but we did not this year.
that would have been 7-8 million, which could have been used on a top FA.
there is dez's salary also that was not restructured.
both these contracts end after 2019 so these are not long term.
furthermore, we are not cutting dez, and tcrawford salary is guaranteed for 2017 so we are not cutting him either.

You seem to be making my point for me. The ONLY way we can sign people is to keep restructuring contracts. That is bad cap management. Maybe you dont see it that way.

Like I said just look at the fact that we never sign anyone or have enough cap space to sign big name players while our competition does.

 

[waldoputty]

From Andrew Brandt:

2. In my time in Green Bay managing the cap, I resisted the annual temptation to mortgage (restructure) Brett Favre’s contract for cap purposes—“short-term gain for long-term pain”—so we would not leave a large cap charge in his wake (his “dead money” was $600,000). My not-so-humble brag is relevant now that Tony Romo leaves behind a cap charge of $19.6 million, whether taken as a hit this year or spread out between this year and next. The Cowboys will be operating with this debit on their cap, their highest player cap charge, for a player who will likely end up playing elsewhere.

I know I have been critical of teams like the Cowboys or Saints in their cap management, but there are consequences such as 1) letting players go to market rather than being able to be proactive and lock them up and 2) not playing with a full deck due to non-roster charges eating up cap space. The Cowboys are now paying the bill on Romo; Drew Brees’s bill with the Saints will come due in the next couple of years.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/14/nfl-free-agency-business-football-10-reflections-andrew-brandt

yes, another press guy who has not done his math.
fact of the matter is the cowboys will have large cap surplus next year.
and if they dont start signing large contracts, their 2019 surplus would be even larger, all in.

the cap environment has changed.
some people still have not realized it, or refuses to realize it.
some use it as some type of teaching opportunity against the use of credit cards.
only the difference is cap dollars carry no interest.
in an inflationary environment, that works to the interest of teams who understands just a little about economics.

 

[Alexander]

yes, another press guy who has not done his math.

Um, Brandt has actually worked in the NFL for the Green Bay Packers, negotiating contracts and managing the cap.

For a team. In real life.

You are not really this arrogant, are you?

 

[waldoputty]

You seem to be making my point for me. The ONLY way we can sign people is to keep restructuring contracts. That is bad cap management. Maybe you dont see it that way.

Like I said just look at the fact that we never sign anyone or have enough cap space to sign big name players while our competition does.

the goal is to win the superbowl, not an accounting olympics.
if you would just look at the cap structure for the next 2 years, you will see there is plenty of money.
we keep spending this way, and we would not even be close to spending the 2019 cap.

would you rather go nuts in 2018 and 2019 or would you rather spending the money better over 3 years.
dez's prime may have 2-3 years left and we are wasting it.

furthermore, the cap environment has simply change since 2014.
all the cap wisdom from the previous 20 years does not exactly apply completely in a booming cap environment.

we have been restructuring cap.
there is nothing new here.
by deleveraging the cap restructuring, you are effectively squeezing the life out of 2017.
this is plain stupid.
you are 13-3 with a team with clear weakness.
and you abstain from signing 1-2 key FAs that could get you over the top?

this next 4-5 years are not the years to be deleveraging.
i also shown a few models that even with more FA expenditures in 2017, we would still be deleveraging.
it is just not overly shortchanging the team for this year and next year while you are in the championship window with 2 of dez and zeke's combined best remaining years.

 

[waldoputty]

Um, Brandt has actually worked in the NFL for the Green Bay Packers, negotiating contracts and managing the cap.

For a team. In real life.

You are not really this arrogant, are you?

no you are just trying to take an out of date strategy and justify your silly arguments when the times have changed.
it is wonderful that strategy works for small market teams.

 

[CowboyRoy]

the goal is to win the superbowl, not an accounting olympics.
if you would just look at the cap structure for the next 2 years, you will see there is plenty of money.
we keep spending this way, and we would not even be close to spending the 2019 cap.

would you rather go nuts in 2018 and 2019 or would you rather spending the money better over 3 years.
dez's prime may have 2-3 years left and we are wasting it.

furthermore, the cap environment has simply change since 2014.
all the cap wisdom from the previous 20 years does not exactly apply completely in a booming cap environment.

we have been restructuring cap.
there is nothing new here.
by deleveraging the cap restructuring, you are effectively squeezing the life out of 2017.
this is plain stupid.
you are 13-3 with a team with clear weakness.
and you abstain from signing 1-2 key FAs that could get you over the top?

this next 4-5 years are not the years to be deleveraging.
i also shown a few models that even with more FA expenditures in 2017, we would still be deleveraging.
it is just not overly shortchanging the team for this year and next year while you are in the championship window with 2 of dez and zeke's combined best remaining years.

How do you win the SB when you cant get a pass rush in the draft and you dont have the cap space to go out and buy one? And all your competition can?

 

[waldoputty]

How do you win the SB when you cant get a pass rush in the draft and you dont have the cap space to go out and buy one? And all your competition can?

i have already shown several cap models that had the cowboys sign anywhere from 1-3 15m aav free agents while signing the best available RT.
yes they could have sign these but choose not to do it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

i have already shown several cap models that had the cowboys sign anywhere from 1-3 15m aav free agents while signing the best available RT.
yes they could have sign these but choose not to do it.

sure...........They could have improved their team and they simply chose not to. That doesnt even make sense.

For 5 years now, they could have improved the team and have simply chosen NOT to.

 

[Alexander]

sure...........They could have improved their team and they simply chose not to. That doesnt even make sense.

For 5 years now, they could have improved the team and have simply chosen NOT to.

Of course. It is a win-win.

We really really could sign anyone we want. But when we don't, we meant to do that. Suddenly it becomes a philosophy.

At the end of it all, it is a perfect set up to deflect the mismanagement.

We are currently in the dregs of free agency.

This is clean up time. And amazingly, we are still showing restraint.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Of course. It is a win-win.

We really really could sign anyone we want. But when we don't, we meant to do that. Suddenly it becomes a philosophy.

At the end of it all, it is a perfect set up to deflect the mismanagement.

We are currently in the dregs of free agency.

This is clean up time. And amazingly, we are still showing restraint.

Oh yah.........Jones and his win now every year mentality, the risk taker, and he isnt signing guys to fill holes he is desperately trying to fill because he just doenst feel like it. LOL

And every year we have to push more money into the future just to get under the cap to sign draft picks.

Now its a home grown philosophy and they are on board. LOL

 

[LocimusPrime]

the goal is to win the superbowl, not an accounting olympics.
if you would just look at the cap structure for the next 2 years, you will see there is plenty of money.
we keep spending this way, and we would not even be close to spending the 2019 cap.

would you rather go nuts in 2018 and 2019 or would you rather spending the money better over 3 years.
dez's prime may have 2-3 years left and we are wasting it.

furthermore, the cap environment has simply change since 2014.
all the cap wisdom from the previous 20 years does not exactly apply completely in a booming cap environment.

we have been restructuring cap.
there is nothing new here.
by deleveraging the cap restructuring, you are effectively squeezing the life out of 2017.
this is plain stupid.
you are 13-3 with a team with clear weakness.
and you abstain from signing 1-2 key FAs that could get you over the top?

this next 4-5 years are not the years to be deleveraging.
i also shown a few models that even with more FA expenditures in 2017, we would still be deleveraging.
it is just not overly shortchanging the team for this year and next year while you are in the championship window with 2 of dez and zeke's combined best remaining years.

Lol accounting Olympics.

I'd gladly live in cap hell for a decade for a Super Bowl win next year. Instead of making it to the playoffs here and there

 

[lukin2006]

The NFL salary cap and the way teams are allowed to operate under it is a joke...