Sturm On Cowboys Contract Handling

[CowboyRoy]

DAL only needs 1.8m to sign all the rookies(for every player you draft and sign you have to subtract around 500k for other players being dropped from the top 51).......they will have plenty from Romo's eventual space to pay for it and the 1m needed for the Practice Squad come September

They need cap room to sign Martin and they have nothing left. Bottom line. They are cap strapped. Not tough stuff.

 

[Nightman]

They need cap room to sign Martin and they have nothing left. Bottom line. They are cap strapped. Not tough stuff.

Martin has a cap of 9m for next year.....his cap hit will go WAY down once he is extended

it is not tough stuff

 

[waldoputty]

Not only that, but when they do sign guys like Frederick, they have to structure the deals so that the early years are very very low salaries and much higher salaries in the future. Thus pushing most of the money into the future killing the cap going forward.

that is standard.
if you would look at a model, you will see how these things reconcile over a 5 year timeframe.
the devil is in the details.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You dreamers can bark and make up all the fluff you want. We never sign FA's because we cant. Its that simple. We are always up againts the cap, we use every dollar, then borrow from future years and all this after we sign nothing but scrubs. If you call that great cap management then by all means go throw a party.

We should get some relief with Romo but that was pure luck. But let me guess, your going to tell me that next season when we have lots of cap space that they are going to follow their grand plan and NOT use it on any big FA's? Give me a break.

2013 we signed Romo, Lee, and Carr.
2014 we signed Tyron and Bailey.
2015 we signed Crawford, Dez, Beasley, and Scandrick.
2016 we signed TFred and Heath.
This year we will sign Martin.

That is before you consider all the Steve-o specials in that time frame. While you have been whinging about UFA we have been locking up our core.

And luck? Typical malcontent logic. Anything bad is your scapegoat's fault and anything good is just lucky.

 

[waldoputty]

2013 we signed Romo, Lee, and Carr.
2014 we signed Tyron and Bailey.
2015 we signed Crawford, Dez, Beasley, and Scandrick.
2016 we signed TFred and Heath.
This year we will sign Martin.

That is before you consider all the Steve-o specials in that time frame. While you have been whinging about UFA we have been locking up our core.

And luck? Typical malcontent logic. Anything bad is your scapegoat's fault and anything good is just lucky.

dont we have to sign Collins long term this year also (after ball season starts?)
fact of the matter is - they had the money to sign more expensive FAs.
they simply choose not to.
they wanted to deleverage from the restructuring somewhat
even to the detriment of 2017 and taking some risks with Dak's protection

 

[Idgit]

dont we have to sign Collins long term this year also (after ball season starts?)
fact of the matter is - they had the money to sign more expensive FAs.
they simply choose not to.
they wanted to deleverage from the restructuring somewhat
even to the detriment of 2017 and taking some risks with Dak's protection

That's the model. Look at the Packers. They've lost JC Tretter (Cleveland), Eddie Lacy (Seattle), Julius Peppers (Carolina), T.J. Lang (Detroit) and Micah Hyde (Buffalo). And they basically walked away from Jared Cook by signing stupid Martellus Bennet.

If you're going to build a capability to draft, develop, and sign your own players, you have to trust it. You take a shot now and then in FA, but for the most part, you keep your powder dry and avoid overpaying. It's not the only method for competing, but teams have made it work for a long time. Dallas looks like they're doing a pretty good job with that direction so far. I don't see any need to be especially concerned this year. Yes, we've lost a lot of starters, but not too many of them were anything more than capable players.

 

[waldoputty]

That's the model. Look at the Packers. They've lost JC Tretter (Cleveland), Eddie Lacy (Seattle), Julius Peppers (Carolina), T.J. Lang (Detroit) and Micah Hyde (Buffalo). And they basically walked away from Jared Cook by signing stupid Martellus Bennet.

If you're going to build a capability to draft, develop, and sign your own players, you have to trust it. You take a shot now and then in FA, but for the most part, you keep your powder dry and avoid overpaying. It's not the only method for competing, but teams have made it work for a long time. Dallas looks like they're doing a pretty good job with that direction so far. I don't see any need to be especially concerned this year. Yes, we've lost a lot of starters, but not too many of them were anything more than capable players.

wonderful, follow the small market model when you dont have to.
i will be showing how ridiculous this strategy this is with a cap model after the final garbage 3rd-tier FAs are brought in.

we could have set ourselves up for a superbowl run without jeopardizing the long term cap of the team.
they are doing a good job alright.
a good job of blowing the next 2 years of dez's remaining prime and 2 years of zeke's prime.
when cap $ are plenty and we would not be able to use up the $ in this model.
in the name of 'value', we have forgotten the big picture of winning superbowls in the next 2 years.
in place of gambling jerry, we turn 180 degrees to the bean counter stephen.

 

[blumayne38]

Now, there is one thing that I continue to be dissatisfied about, and that is the way they write their contracts. They do not write contracts that they intend to honor as written. They write contracts to allow them multiple restructures to accommodate other contracts that they have already restructured to make room for contracts that they wrote before that were restructured. And so on and so on and so on. There was some back and forth on this behavior this past week when Stephen Jones again defended the fine art of credit-card juggling.

They have so much dead money on Player A, that they must restructure Player B to free up the room. But, then, Player B cannot be cut because he isn't very good anymore, since the restructure guaranteed money for him in Year 3 of his deal (because of Player A's situation), so now we must restructure Player C's deal to accommodate Player B, who is only in his spot because of Player A. It is maddening. But, perhaps not as maddening as knowing we have all be desensitized to it as a poor way of doing business.

There are media folks who tell us "everyone does it", which is sort of true, but not. Yes, everyone you know uses credit cards. So, you can justify your credit card use by looking around the room and seeing everyone uses them. But, does everyone open up new credit cards to pay off the old ones? Does everyone max them out and have to sit out shopping because of the unpaid balances?

The Cowboys are doing better, but a sign that they are still in a weird spot is that they definitely need to retain some players, but in order to do so, they have to figure out how to restructure more deals to make even a little room.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d.../2017/03/06/cowboys-money-problem-free-agency

Blah blah blah

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

dont we have to sign Collins long term this year also (after ball season starts?)
fact of the matter is - they had the money to sign more expensive FAs.
they simply choose not to.
they wanted to deleverage from the restructuring somewhat
even to the detriment of 2017 and taking some risks with Dak's protection

He is a RFA next year.

 

[waldoputty]

Blah blah blah

lol someone does not understand the business part of the nfl...
or just trying to be contrarian
since he is a smart guy, i suspect it is the latter

 

[waldoputty]

He is a RFA next year.

i presume to get the aav down, we want to negotiate the same time as martin...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i presume to get the aav down, we want to negotiate the same time as martin...

From his tender?



Collins makes nothing right now since he came from the UDFA pool. I also expect they want to see how he does this year to get a firm evaluation before locking him up next term. I anticipate they would extend him long term next year if they were to do it.

 

[waldoputty]

From his tender?



Collins makes nothing right now since he came from the UDFA pool. I also expect they want to see how he does this year to get a firm evaluation before locking him up next term. I anticipate they would extend him long term next year if they were to do it.

no, if we wait on Collins reaching RFA, does he not gain a lot more leverage?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no, if we wait on Collins reaching RFA, does he not gain a lot more leverage?

If they put a first round tender on him he has no leverage. That is what he gets that year. IF he wants more money he has to negotiate with us as no one is likely to pay him over that amount and give up a top pick.

If he makes it to UFA then he has leverage. We have gotten guys like Church, Heath, Beasley, and Ratliff to sign deals in their RFA years.

 

[waldoputty]

If they put a first round tender on him he has no leverage. That is what he gets that year. IF he wants more money he has to negotiate with us as no one is likely to pay him over that amount and give up a top pick.

If he makes it to UFA then he has leverage. We have gotten guys like Church, Heath, Beasley, and Ratliff to sign deals in their RFA years.

what happens with the 1st round tender?
would he not be more negotiable this year if you protect him from the injury risk?
he could be really rich this year instead of next year?
just take 25% less or so?
is there any precedence for the team doing it either way?

 

[Idgit]

wonderful, follow the small market model when you dont have to.
i will be showing how ridiculous this strategy this is with a cap model after the final garbage 3rd-tier FAs are brought in.

we could have set ourselves up for a superbowl run without jeopardizing the long term cap of the team.
they are doing a good job alright.
a good job of blowing the next 2 years of dez's remaining prime and 2 years of zeke's prime.
when cap $ are plenty and we would not be able to use up the $ in this model.
in the name of 'value', we have forgotten the big picture of winning superbowls in the next 2 years.
in place of gambling jerry, we turn 180 degrees to the bean counter stephen.

The model has little to do with the size of the market. The Texans, Pats, Bengals, and Ravens all rely fairly heavily on drafting and playing their own starters, and all have been fairly successful doing so. It's kind of an established model already.

 

[waldoputty]

The model has little to do with the size of the market. The Texans, Pats, Bengals, and Ravens all rely fairly heavily on drafting and playing their own starters, and all have been fairly successful doing so. It's kind of an established model already.

established model for cap strapped years.
note the teams that exclusively practice it are the pittsburghs and green bays of the world.
the patriots with 20 years of qb stability does not have the same problems as everyone else.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what happens with the 1st round tender?
would he not be more negotiable this year if you protect him from the injury risk?
he could be really rich this year instead of next year?
just take 25% less or so?
is there any precedence for the team doing it either way?

The precedent is moving in their RFA year so next year for Collins.

 

[waldoputty]

The precedent is moving in their RFA year so next year for Collins.

good to know.
thanks

 

[Idgit]

established model for cap strapped years.
note the teams that exclusively practice it are the pittsburghs and green bays of the world.
the patriots with 20 years of qb stability does not have the same problems as everyone else.

Not sure where you're coming up with those teams being particularly cap-strapped. I'm not sure it's true. Regardless, teams have consistently drafted, developed, and paid their own players for years, and have had success doing so. If it's been known to work for some, why would you have such a problem with it conceptually?