Sturm on why the Cowboys sit out free agency

aikemirv

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Go to overthecap and look at all the teams and their salaries. They are all heavily weighted by the top 5-10 players
 

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Diggs showed you with as much clarity as you can ever ask for what he is all about in last years playoffs. No team that is 100% committed to winning would ever consider signing him long term.
 
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Diggs showed you with as much clarity as you can ever ask for what he is all about in last years playoffs. No team that is 100% committed to winning would ever consider signing him long term.
Looks like he will be a Cowboy then
 

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Their status quo off-season have gotten them nowhere and the NFC is there for the taking.

They can either start separating themselves now or find themselves doing the same thing next off-season.

Yes, getting sent home by the niners again.
 

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Let’s project this out: Diggs (five years, $100 million, $20 million per), Lamb (five years, $125 million, $25 million per) and Parsons conservatively at five years for $150 million ($30 million per), and you hope Dak Prescott remains at around $40 million per year. Now, you understand the Cowboys’ roster has four guys at $115 million per season and that is their core for now. They should have roughly that total again to fill out the other 50 guys on the roster. Now you know the Cowboys aren’t chasing too many things in free agency.

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There just isn't enough pie when in the next couple of years you may be giving half of it to 4 players.

But we should be quite used to this....

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Since Carr in 2012? The five biggest free-agent signings are all small with no impact: Henry Melton, Benson Mayowa, Cedric Thornton, Nolan Carroll and Gerald McCoy … I guess? Five biggest impacts? Robert Quinn has to count, technically a trade. Jeremy Mincey? Jayron Kearse? We really cannot come up with five. They have literally stopped shopping in free agency beyond one-year deals almost at all. Maybe they have something planned this year. Don’t cross your fingers.

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That is a scary list. We just don't do free agency. Free agency bad. Add to that the impending deals for Diggs, Lamb and Micah that they have to budget for and you can see why any hopes for a Wagner or Hopkins or even OBJ are probably just a pipe dream.
The sad thing about your post is Diggs isn't worth the money he wants and we all know Dakota "WENTZ 2.0" Prescot was a bust before JJ lost clueless mind and signed WENTZ 2.0. What you have right now is an organization that has been poorly ran for decades, with no light at the end of the tunnel. This organization is like a bad fart in a windowless room, it stinks so bad decent FA don't want to play here................
 

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Here’s my problem with the assumption about all those guys (except Micah)- what has this team accomplished WITH them? Answer: Not much.

Diggs is good but great? No. Lamb? Good. Not great. Dak? Good, not great. Parsons? Great. So why is having 3 of those guys critical? Answer: Because the FO doesn’t know what they’re doing.
THANK YOU. This needs to be called out alot more.

We have accomplished absolutely nothing with this squad. So an overhaul wouldn't even be a risk in the first place. 5 regular season wins or 12... if you can't compete in the playoffs that's just all nonsense.
 

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Let’s project this out: Diggs (five years, $100 million, $20 million per), Lamb (five years, $125 million, $25 million per) and Parsons conservatively at five years for $150 million ($30 million per), and you hope Dak Prescott remains at around $40 million per year. Now, you understand the Cowboys’ roster has four guys at $115 million per season and that is their core for now. They should have roughly that total again to fill out the other 50 guys on the roster. Now you know the Cowboys aren’t chasing too many things in free agency.

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There just isn't enough pie when in the next couple of years you may be giving half of it to 4 players.

But we should be quite used to this....

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Since Carr in 2012? The five biggest free-agent signings are all small with no impact: Henry Melton, Benson Mayowa, Cedric Thornton, Nolan Carroll and Gerald McCoy … I guess? Five biggest impacts? Robert Quinn has to count, technically a trade. Jeremy Mincey? Jayron Kearse? We really cannot come up with five. They have literally stopped shopping in free agency beyond one-year deals almost at all. Maybe they have something planned this year. Don’t cross your fingers.

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That is a scary list. We just don't do free agency. Free agency bad. Add to that the impending deals for Diggs, Lamb and Micah that they have to budget for and you can see why any hopes for a Wagner or Hopkins or even OBJ are probably just a pipe dream.
I hate when these guys use the AAV to make their point. These are the guys who keep saying dak is killing the cap with his 40mil a yr deal. Daks deal has been paying him 22.6mil AAV. There's so many other variables than just the AAV.
 

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They sit out Free Agency because they try to be like the old New England Patriot teams.

Well, the league has passed that team building concept for years now. Also, we don't have Brady and Belichick in their primes on this team.
 

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Go to overthecap and look at all the teams and their salaries. They are all heavily weighted by the top 5-10 players
That's why it's important to make sure you pay the right guys. Giving elite money to "good" players puts a ceiling on your team. We call it the divisional round here.
 

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But that's what is scary. He should be outright released. They obviously really do want him back to waste another 10-15 touches a game.
It’s what they do. They just ignore the player because they hate confrontation. TO getting a napkin passed across the table. JG hanging in the building after the season. On and on……
 

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That's old school flawed thinking at its best.

The truth is that the NFL of today is built for winning now, not planning for winning eventually.

For players you believe are key to your long term success, a contract extension solves any immediate cap issues.

For star players who are still on rookie contracts, if you cannot replace them with someone else on the roster or via free agency, you can sign them to a new contract at the last possible moment and push the cap hit to future years.

This so-called "planning" and "strategy" used to be relevant 10-20 years ago, but now it's just an excuse to avoid taking risks and impacting the team's financial valuation and global ranking..
Great post.
I thought Sturm was a little better than this myself. Guess I was wrong. Reads more like Spags wrote it.
Ultimately sounds like another excuse to rationalize Their Way of doing business.

Cap manipulation is alive and well.
Other Front Offices/GMs make it work.

Draft and Develop is not the end all be all.

Free Agency supplementation(from other teams) is a REAL part of roster building and a vital cog to overall post season success.

So basically, I call BS.
 

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That's old school flawed thinking at its best.

The truth is that the NFL of today is built for winning now, not planning for winning eventually.

For players you believe are key to your long term success, a contract extension solves any immediate cap issues.

For star players who are still on rookie contracts, if you cannot replace them with someone else on the roster or via free agency, you can sign them to a new contract at the last possible moment and push the cap hit to future years.

This so-called "planning" and "strategy" used to be relevant 10-20 years ago, but now it's just an excuse to avoid taking risks and impacting the team's financial valuation and global ranking..
:hammer:
 

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If the players on the roster aren't good enough to win before they're paid, then why worry so much about retaining them?

Why not give them some help with some good FA/trade additions and actually try to win something?

I'd rather compete for a super bowl and lose Micah Parsons to FA than to watch him go ring-less here for 10 years.

My guess is Jerry the Owner would rather sell Parsons jerseys.

I'm pretty close to being done with this team.
 

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There are two types of franchises that operate the way you seem to want this one to. On one side the New England Patriots from 2001-present, and then literally every other franchise that has ever consistently tried that formula in the history of the sport on the other. I know you won’t admit it but I suspect I don’t need to explain the obvious outlier here.

Virtually every successful team/franchise in history has consistently resigned as many of their good to great players as they possibly can because that’s how you win. Cycling through every other position with the greatest coach and QB ever is not the normal model.

If many you had your way, we’d cut or trade Dak, let most of our good players walk, hire a coach you think will be great, draft a QB in the top 5 and magically you believe we’d be better quickly. History shows that it’s the same teams that do that cycle over and over again because it’s so hard to get right, and even once you do you still eventually have to retain a lot of your talent.
That’s not true with me. I think you are lumping me in with a group I‘m not in. I’m not talking about trading or dumping Dak. I understand the need to have a good starting QB with Dak and I support him being here. He’s not an elite QB but he’s not garbage either. I’m simply saying we aren’t (or haven’t up to this point) provided the appropriate support around him to give this team a serious shot at a title.

IMO, we keep too many of our good but not great players without looking at a different combo of players outside this org to build a better roster.
 

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THANK YOU. This needs to be called out alot more.

We have accomplished absolutely nothing with this squad. So an overhaul wouldn't even be a risk in the first place. 5 regular season wins or 12... if you can't compete in the playoffs that's just all nonsense.
The conversation should begin and end here. Well said.
 

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Thank god we still got Zeke Elliott on the roster still at a 16.7mil cap hit, or Tyron Smith cap hit unchanged at 17.6mil or D-Law at 26mil.

They could be players in FA, but they like to overpay/overkeep their own and then tell the fans, "only so much pie to go around"
One thing about Jerry. He loves you -you're set for life....
 
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