Sturm says Dak most valuable pick in NFL history

MichaelWinicki said:
There needs to be a "Reading Comprehension Zone".
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Whether Sturm said Ever or people misinterpreted, I think proclamations, such as these, are just too much, too soon.

Why is it even necessary? Why does an argument need to be made one way or other?

I've never known Sturm to be full of the hype machine, so it's kinda surprising.
 
DFWJC said:
I'm generally a fan of Sturm's work, but that's preposterously silly at this stage.

6th rounder Brady has gone to how many Super Bowls?

No denying Dak in the 4th is a home-run though.
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Yeah, he went the sensationalistic route on this one... fo shizzle!
 
WoodysGirl said:
Whether Sturm said Ever or people misinterpreted, I think proclamations, such as these, are just too much, too soon.

Why is it even necessary? Why does an argument need to be made one way or other?

I've never known Sturm to be full of the hype machine, so it's kinda surprising.
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Don't disagree with you.

But he let the "genie out of the bottle".

And it's a bugger to get it back in. :)
 
I get the argument. He's not looking at career performance, only the immediate impact. Given the player's position, where he was drafted, the player's individual statistics and team record, Sturm has a solid argument. Barring a collapse of epic proportions, you're looking at a QB drafted in the 4th round that played the entire season finishing with a 105+ QB rating and leading the team to at least 13 wins. Before this season, that was unheard of.
 
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MichaelWinicki said:
That's not what Sturm posted.

He's combining the factors of Dak's play during his rookie season and his draft position (4th).

Brady barely played his rookie season.

So yeah, within that context Sturm does have a leg to stand on.
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Thanks for the clarification but I still don't agree. He has had a tremendous year no doubt but he is not worthy to be ranked with HOFers quite yet imo.
 
In 1937 Sammy Baugh was drafted by Washington and he took them to a league championship. In 1945 Bob Waterfield was a rookie 5th rounder and took the Cleveland Rams to a championship.

Dak? Unprecedented? Not really. And hasn't reached the season greatness of those two.

D-
 
Silver N Blue said:
Over Tom Brady? Give me a break...Sturm has gone nuts...
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Brady was 1 for 3 for 6 yards during his rookie season. What Dak is accomplishing during his rookie season as a 4th round draft pick is unprecedented even compared to Brady. Remember since the merger in 1970 only one other quarterback taken after the 130th pick has gone on to start on opening day for his team, Randy Hedberg, and he has the lowest passer rating in NFL history (0.0).
 
dwmyers said:
In 1937 Sammy Baugh was drafted by Washington and he took them to a league championship. In 1945 Bob Waterfield was a rookie 5th rounder and took the Cleveland Rams to a championship.

Dak? Unprecedented? Not really. And hasn't reached the season greatness of those two.

D-
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Sammy Baugh was selected with the 6th overall draft pick. Bob Waterfield was taken with the 42nd overall pick.

Dak was taken with the 135th pick.

It is unprecedented for a quarterback who was taken so late to have immediate success.
 
JJHLH1 said:
Sammy Baugh was selected with the 6th overall draft pick. Bob Waterfield was taken with the 42nd overall pick.

Dak was taken with the 135th pick.

It is unprecedented for a quarterback who was taken so late to have immediate success.
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I understand that. For me its about the career. He is having a fantastic season but IF he doesn't bring home the trophy or ever bring one home what good does a "great" rookie season do?
 
DFWJC said:
I tend to think you have the absurd part turned around.
He said he was the most valuable pick based on where he chosen in NFL history.
All that based on 12 games. Yes, in his rookie year.
I disagree.
If you dont, Im happy for you, Sam.
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not sure what your beef with me is, really.

i supported dak as a better value and bigger impact in his rookie year than tom brady was in his.

i also confirmed that such comparisons were about players in their rookie years, and not about comparing players's body of work in their rookie years to players' body of work over the course of (say) 12 years.

in other words, i'm on team apples-to-apples.

anyway, i'm enjoying dak's season immensely, and i'm duly impressed and delighted that all it cost us was a compensatory pick in the 4th round.

if that's what elicited your passive-aggressive response, well, i'm befuddled.
 
I think he has a point. You guys are comparing the pick to BRady but Brady in his 2nd or 3rd year isnt' what he was in his 1st year. And probably wasn't even ready to start at that point in his career.

Essentially by drafting Dak in the 4th round you got a NFL ready quarterback who has a shot at a Super Bowl.

Can anyone right now name a rookie draft pick that was 4th round value or later that was ready to come in right now and lead a team to the playoffs and one of the best records in the league? And take a 4 win team at that?
 
WoodysGirl said:
Whether Sturm said Ever or people misinterpreted, I think proclamations, such as these, are just too much, too soon.

Why is it even necessary? Why does an argument need to be made one way or other?

I've never known Sturm to be full of the hype machine, so it's kinda surprising.
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What if Sturm is right? What if Dak really is the best draft pick ever (by value) and we just cant see it yet. I cant say id be surprised. CZ poster in another thread said that Dak will be exposed as a "arena league backup" QB when the going gets tough.
 
WHOA! I said in the rookie season only. He isn't Brady. hahaha.

JJHLH1 said:
I was surprised to see this from Sturm, but here it is:

"Based on the position of the pick and the team's distance from the playoffs without the pick, the value of Dak Prescott's selection and subsequent success is perhaps the best value for any franchise and any year since the draft started.

In other words, bonita fish are big and Dak Prescott is your answer. What he is doing is upsetting the apple cart for the entire history of football. There are probably no real comparisons. Either rookie QBs have limited success or they were taken at the top of the draft and still had limited success. This is absurdly unprecedented."

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ekly-mailbag-sorts-playoff-scenarios-concerns
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Way to early to say such a thing.

I mean Brady has only been to 6 Superbowls and won 4 of them but hey, who am I to judge that his pick might be just a wee bit higher at this point.
 
JJHLH1 said:
I was surprised to see this from Sturm, but here it is:

"Based on the position of the pick and the team's distance from the playoffs without the pick, the value of Dak Prescott's selection and subsequent success is perhaps the best value for any franchise and any year since the draft started.

In other words, bonita fish are big and Dak Prescott is your answer. What he is doing is upsetting the apple cart for the entire history of football. There are probably no real comparisons. Either rookie QBs have limited success or they were taken at the top of the draft and still had limited success. This is absurdly unprecedented."

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ekly-mailbag-sorts-playoff-scenarios-concerns
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Good to hear.
 
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