Sturm says Dak most valuable pick in NFL history

[Clove]

I'm aware both Ben and Marino were 1st round picks. It doesn't diminish what they accomplished.

again, this is about value. 1st Rd vs 4th rd. Name me one 4th Rd qb that has done what Prescott is doing. ( as a rookie only)

 

[Sarge]

I'm happy with the pick.

 

[Sarge]

again, this is about value. 1st Rd vs 4th rd. Name me one 4th Rd qb that has done what Prescott is doing. ( as a rookie only)

There ain't none.

 

[CATCH17]

Big Ben went 13-0 as a starter his rookie season. He won one playoff game and lost one that same year. If Dak happened to make the Super Bowl this year, he most likely would be considered as having the best rookie year ever.

I watched a lot of Pittsburgh that year. You can't even compare what Dak is doing compared to Big Ben.

Big Ben wasn't asked to go win games. He was asked to not screw it up.

Their defense was amazing and their run game was really good.


I never saw Marino play but I've never seen a offense put in the hands of a rookie and have them play at a MVP type level like Dak.

 

[Clove]

Stat wise, Dak is superior.
Dan Marino - Ben Roethlisburger - Dak Prescott
11 games - 58.4 comp. 2210 yards 20 tds 6 ints
13 games - 66.4 comp - 2621 yards 17 tds 11 ints
12 games - 67.9 comp - 2974 yards 19 tds 2 ints

Who's having the best year as a rookie?

 

[etw926]

This fan base.....

 

[JPostSam]

I'm generally a fan of Sturm's work, but that's preposterously silly at this stage.

6th rounder Brady has gone to how many Super Bowls?

No denying Dak in the 4th is a home-run though.

he didn't get them to the super bowl.

 

[Wood]

I was surprised to see this from Sturm, but here it is:

"Based on the position of the pick and the team's distance from the playoffs without the pick, the value of Dak Prescott's selection and subsequent success is perhaps the best value for any franchise and any year since the draft started.

In other words, bonita fish are big and Dak Prescott is your answer. What he is doing is upsetting the apple cart for the entire history of football. There are probably no real comparisons. Either rookie QBs have limited success or they were taken at the top of the draft and still had limited success. This is absurdly unprecedented."

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ekly-mailbag-sorts-playoff-scenarios-concerns

I believe this was in response to me calling him out for being Packers fan and his attempt to smooth things over

 

[jobberone]

Stat wise, Dak is superior.
Dan Marino - Ben Roethlisburger - Dak Prescott
11 games - 58.4 comp. 2210 yards 20 tds 6 ints
13 games - 66.4 comp - 2621 yards 17 tds 11 ints
12 games - 67.9 comp - 2974 yards 19 tds 2 ints

Who's having the best year as a rookie?

I get your point. I would point out you're looking at stats across eras. Marino is head and shoulders above the other two passing the ball.

 

[DFWJC]

he didn't get them to the super bowl.

Not sure what you are arguing?
That Big Ben did? he's the only one I can think of right away.

Of course Brady got his team to the Super Bowl during his career--plenty of times. But he didn't even start his rookie year, so he didn't do it then.

I think if I'm assessing the value of a draft pick, I would always do it over their career...as would any GM, I would think.

As for Dak. So far, so good! Great value no matter what happens.
But at this early stage, we are not talking same stratosphere as a 6th round Brady....if we are discussing the absolute value of the pick over a career.

Not Dak's fault that he's only played ion 12 games. But eh will have to dominate for years and go to many Super Bowls to be in that absolute value conversation...imo.

 

[Clove]

I get your point. I would point out you're looking at stats across eras. Marino is head and shoulders above the other two passing the ball.

Not in his rookie year. Stats prove it.

 

[Craig]

This rookie only thing is silly. But i guess its a good qualifier to try to list dak as better. It doesnt affect what the team is doing though so it doesnt matter. This is the argument of a bunch of losers. This is "barry sanders is more dynamic than emmitt smith". Who cares? The fan base of the team on an 11 game win streak thats a super bowl favorite is the one thats supposed to be laughing at these dumb discussions as they enjoy their team's wins.

 

[Blackspider214]

Ridiculous.

Dak inherited the best offensive line in football, the next Adrian Peterson in the draft, a Hall of Fame tight end, and a terrific group of receivers.

Dak is great value in the 4th round, but he's no Tom Brady, Roger Staubach, or Warren Moon in draft value. He's not even Tony Romo.

So basically close to the same exact team we had last year? Got it. That's kind of his whole premise. 4-12 to 11-1. Which pretty much the same exact roster intact.

And Romo? He didn't deliver any dividends for us until well down the line and by then, we were having to pay him huge money starting in 2007. Then another ridiculous contract some years later that might be the worst in the NFL at this point given the circumstances. All while getting us 2 measly playoff wins in his tenure. For the amount of money we have paid and will end up paying, I don't see that as value at all. He has one more playoff win that Tebow and whatever junk the Texans used to roll out there.

Dak is being paid peanuts for a premier position and is in talks for MVP. That's pretty good value, no?And we have him for 4 more years under this contract. That is the whole premise of this article.

He was thrown into the fire from day 1. Moore went down with an injury and he was forced to be next in line. Then some weeks later, Romo is down for good. Boom, starter. No time to get get used to this league like Brady did. Who wasn't a starter his rookie year.

 

[erod]

So basically close to the same exact team we had last year? Got it. That's kind of his whole premise. 4-12 to 11-1. Which pretty much the same exact roster intact.

And Romo? He didn't deliver any dividends for us until well down the line and by then, we were having to pay him huge money starting in 2007. Then another ridiculous contract some years later that might be the worst in the NFL at this point given the circumstances. All while getting us 2 measly playoff wins in his tenure. For the amount of money we have paid and will end up paying, I don't see that as value at all. He has one more playoff win that Tebow and whatever junk the Texans used to roll out there.

Dak is being paid peanuts for a premier position and is in talks for MVP. That's pretty good value, no?And we have him for 4 more years under this contract. That is the whole premise of this article.

He was thrown into the fire from day 1. Moore went down with an injury and he was forced to be next in line. Then some weeks later, Romo is down for good. Boom, starter. No time to get get used to this league like Brady did. Who wasn't a starter his rookie year.

Last year we had Weeden and Cassel, two guys who want to hold a clipboard. Dak is certainly more committed than them.

Zeke Elliott wasn't here. Dez Bryant was hurt. Ron Leary wasn't playing. Schedule was vastly harder. Defense was worse.

Night and day situation.

 

[JPostSam]

Not sure what you are arguing?
That Big Ben did? he's the only one I can think of right away.

Of course Brady got his team to the Super Bowl during his career--plenty of times. But he didn't even start his rookie year, so he didn't do it then.

I think if I'm assessing the value of a draft pick, I would always do it over their career...as would any GM, I would think.

As for Dak. So far, so good! Great value no matter what happens.
But at this early stage, we are not talking same stratosphere as a 6th round Brady....if we are discussing the absolute value of the pick over a career.

Not Dak's fault that he's only played ion 12 games. But eh will have to dominate for years and go to many Super Bowls to be in that absolute value conversation...imo.

the statement was that brady was a more valuable pick because he was a 6th rounder who won the super bowl. but brady can't take credit for that *as a rookie.* sturm's comment was about a draft pick's impact during his rookie season. that is all.

any comparison of what dak has done in 12 games to what other QBs have done in 12 years and more is absurd.

 

[Bleu Star]

A former 1st round pick (Brandon Weeden) and a former pro bowler (Matt Cassell) inherited the same things last year....and produced a season worse than the Dave Campo years.

LOL... I was just about to ask @erod how he explains WeeDone and tease Cassel. Nice rebuttal sir.

 

[RS12]

Staubach was an 11th round pick so until further notice.......

 

[jobberone]

Not in his rookie year. Stats prove it.

That's because you are looking across eras when the PI, holding and contact after 5 yds are different.

 

[CWR]

Sounds as if he was using immediate dividends as the criteria.

Exactly and if that is the case what hes done is apparently unparalleled. Sure, plenty of late round gems have gone on to become amazingly successful, but no 4th round qb has come in and had success from day 1 like Dak.

 

[CWR]

There was no Zeke or Murray which is fundamental to what we do.

I will give Dak credit for going to the outside WR way more than either of these guys mentioned, but Beasley is his top WR. That's what less able QBs have to do to survive.

Who was he supposed to throw the ball to while Dez was on the sidelines?