Suns take worst beating in their franchise history...

[Route 66]

actually, the owner of the suns is also a huge whiner, and stoudamire calling the spurs dirty would also be considered whining by many. As for suns fans being over last year.....



you forgot the HUGE fact that the rule says during an altercation, there was no altercation when duncan walked onto the court.

Uh, Stoud said he deserved the suspension. That isn't whining. If he believes the Spurs are dirty, then that is his perogative-its not whining. Calling the Patriots cheaters is not whining-its either one's fact or opinion.

 

[Route 66]

As for your point #1... I just said I don't dislike the Suns as an organization, just their whiny coach. That's pretty much the opposite of what you're claiming.

Point #2 ... I don't see how that has anything to do with "non-Suns fans" so I'll leave that one alone and let you take it up with the league office.

As to whether or not you're "rolling around in sackcloth and ashes" or if you're truly "past last season" -- well I'll let your history of posts on the subject (including this one) speak for itself and let the masses decide.

Best of luck in the post-season. Here's to hopefully another great playoff series between the two teams! :toast2:

You stated you no longer liked the Suns franchise. Then you listed two points right after that comment leading one to believe you are listing your reasons. I didnt bring up the past-nice try. If you reread your post you will find you mentioned the Suns fans whining. So all I did was address your comment.

 

[MC KAos]

Uh, Stoud said he deserved the suspension. That isn't whining. If he believes the Spurs are dirty, then that is his perogative-its not whining. Calling the Patriots cheaters is not whining-its either one's fact or opinion.

first of all, i wasnt talking about the suspension. but talking bad about other teams that play you physically is most definitely whining. whether you think a team is dirty or not is a matter of opinion, and there is no other team in the league that has called the spurs dirty.

 

[Danny White]

You stated you no longer liked the Suns franchise. Then you listed two points right after that comment leading one to believe you are listing your reasons. I didnt bring up the past-nice try. If you reread your post you will find you mentioned the Suns fans whining. So all I did was address your comment.

I think the coach whines too much and the fans have a persecution complex, but I don't hate the team (i.e. the players). They're fun to watch. I'd never root for them over the Spurs, but if it wasn't going to be the Spurs in the Finals, I wouldn't have a huge problem with seeing the Suns make it.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

you forgot the HUGE fact that the rule says during an altercation, there was no altercation when duncan walked onto the court.

And you are forgetting there was no altercation in the Nash foul either. It was a hard foul against Nash, and his teammates walked over to see what was going on. They didn't do anything else. The same applied to the Duncan incident. Duncan left the bench to observe the scene after a hard foul.

To me, it was a petty call. All enforcement of rules are subjective. If the officials genuinely called every foul, then every player on the court would foul out. So what do offiicials do, they make subjective decisions. If Stern is going to go by the book then he needs to apply the rule equally which he failed to do.

 

[Danny White]

And you are forgetting there was no altercation in the Nash foul either. It was a hard foul against Nash, and his teammates walked over to see what was going on. They didn't do anything else. The same applied to the Duncan incident. Duncan left the bench to observe the scene after a hard foul.

That's not true at all.

You forget that after the foul, Horry was moving away and Raja Bell ran up to him and the two were exchanging flying elbows with each other and had to be separated by teammates and refs.

It was this altercation that Amare was looking to get involved in.

Without Raja's actions after the foul, you're right, there wouldn't have been any grounds for saying that Amare was trying to involve himself in the altercation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp4UF4Av_g0

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I think the coach whines too much and the fans have a persecution complex, but I don't hate the team (i.e. the players). They're fun to watch. I'd never root for them over the Spurs, but if it wasn't going to be the Spurs in the Finals, I wouldn't have a huge problem with seeing the Suns make it.

Name an NBA coach that doesn't whine when he is losing? Greg Poppovich used to whine about Shaq when the Lakers were beating them. He completely threw a fit when the Mavericks ousted them 2 years ago.

And regarding the persecution complex, I remember Spurs fans feeling they were cheated when the Rockets would beat them. They used to say that Hakeem was never called for fouls but David was unfairly maligned. They used to also whine about Rodman getting bad treatment from the officials. I was in SA during the 90's when the Spurs used to fall short of the WCF despite doing well in the regular season. They had the same pitiful fans. It's funny how Spurs fans forget what it was like back in the day.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

That's not true at all.

You forget that after the foul, Horry was moving away and Raja Bell ran up to him and the two were exchanging flying elbows with each other and had to be separated by teammates and refs.

It was this altercation that Amare was looking to get involved in.

Without Raja's actions after the foul, you're right, there wouldn't have been any grounds for saying that Amare was trying to involve himself in the altercation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp4UF4Av_g0

Except that when Diaw and Amare left the bench NO "ALTERCATION" had occurred either. Diaw and Amare left the bench after a foul. A foul is not an "altercation." The altercation did not occur until Bell and Horry faced off, which will long after Amare and Diaw jumped off the bench. So Amare and Diaw did not break any rule, and should not have been suspended.

 

[Danny White]

Name an NBA coach that doesn't whine when he is losing? Greg Poppovich used to whine about Shaq when the Lakers were beating them. He completely threw a fit when the Mavericks ousted them 2 years ago.

And regarding the persecution complex, I remember Spurs fans feeling they were cheated when the Rockets would beat them. They used to say that Hakeem was never called for fouls but David was unfairly maligned. They used to also whine about Rodman getting bad treatment from the officials. I was in SA during the 90's when the Spurs used to fall short of the WCF despite doing well in the regular season. They had the same pitiful fans. It's funny how Spurs fans forget what it was like back in the day.

You make some valid points. I will say that I see a difference between what D'Antoni does as opposed to most other coaches. I didn't see Mike Brown do that when they lost to the Spurs in the Finals. I don't see Eddie Jordan doing any of that here in DC. Pop complains but he doesn't have that spoiled brat look that D'Antoni has perfected. But then again, Phil Jackson used to grouse and complain incessantly and he's considered one of the greatest.

As for the fans, I don't fault them for complaining. All fans do that. I just get a sense from Suns fans that they think the world is out to get them.

 

[Route 66]

Name an NBA coach that doesn't whine when he is losing? Greg Poppovich used to whine about Shaq when the Lakers were beating them. He completely threw a fit when the Mavericks ousted them 2 years ago.

And regarding the persecution complex, I remember Spurs fans feeling they were cheated when the Rockets would beat them. They used to say that Hakeem was never called for fouls but David was unfairly maligned. They used to also whine about Rodman getting bad treatment from the officials. I was in SA during the 90's when the Spurs used to fall short of the WCF despite doing well in the regular season. They had the same pitiful fans. It's funny how Spurs fans forget what it was like back in the day.

 

[Route 66]

first of all, i wasnt talking about the suspension. but talking bad about other teams that play you physically is most definitely whining. whether you think a team is dirty or not is a matter of opinion, and there is no other team in the league that has called the spurs dirty.

I don't see anyone complaining about the Spurs playing physical. Amare was stating that he finds the Spurs a dirty team. The adjective dirty in and of itself is obviously subjective. However, I would have to agree that with the many angles of Bowen's antics all over the internet that were posted by fans other than the Suns, you can draw your own conclusions.

Bowen has gotten in numerous altercations with Vince and other players. Feet to the face, knees to the groin, getting players to come down awkwardly is not just a "Suns" problem. If the Spurs can complain about Raja Bell and state hes dirty and then call their own team simply "physical" is absolutely hypocritical. But to each his own.

 

[MC KAos]

And you are forgetting there was no altercation in the Nash foul either. It was a hard foul against Nash, and his teammates walked over to see what was going on. They didn't do anything else. The same applied to the Duncan incident. Duncan left the bench to observe the scene after a hard foul.

To me, it was a petty call. All enforcement of rules are subjective. If the officials genuinely called every foul, then every player on the court would foul out. So what do offiicials do, they make subjective decisions. If Stern is going to go by the book then he needs to apply the rule equally which he failed to do.

not true, like dw stated, he was going at it with bell and then nash come up to him and tried to push him, there was an altercation. on the duncan play, two players fell hard, got back up and ran to the other end because the suns were on a fast break

Name an NBA coach that doesn't whine when he is losing? Greg Poppovich used to whine about Shaq when the Lakers were beating them. He completely threw a fit when the Mavericks ousted them 2 years ago.

And regarding the persecution complex, I remember Spurs fans feeling they were cheated when the Rockets would beat them. They used to say that Hakeem was never called for fouls but David was unfairly maligned. They used to also whine about Rodman getting bad treatment from the officials. I was in SA during the 90's when the Spurs used to fall short of the WCF despite doing well in the regular season. They had the same pitiful fans. It's funny how Spurs fans forget what it was like back in the day.

please find me a quote o popovich complaining about the refs after a loss to the press? he whines during games to refs during the games, but so does every other coach in the league. He never whines after the fact, just like dw said about mike brown or larry brown, who, not surprisingly, are all from the same coaching branch.

I don't see anyone complaining about the Spurs playing physical. Amare was stating that he finds the Spurs a dirty team. The adjective dirty in and of itself is obviously subjective. However, I would have to agree that with the many angles of Bowen's antics all over the internet that were posted by fans other than the Suns, you can draw your own conclusions.

Bowen has gotten in numerous altercations with Vince and other players. Feet to the face, knees to the groin, getting players to come down awkwardly is not just a "Suns" problem. If the Spurs can complain about Raja Bell and state hes dirty and then call their own team simply "physical" is absolutely hypocritical. But to each his own.

again, we are talking about the spurs being dirty as a team, not one player. That being said, bowen being dirty is also a matter of opinion, you can find all the videos on youtube that you want, but its because there is a lot of people that feel that way about him. but there are probably more people that feel that he isnt dirty, but they arent gonna go make videos about him NOT being dirty

 

[Route 66]

lol this back and forth stuff is amusing

 

[MC KAos]

ya, we obviously have different opinions on these matters, lets just enjoy the rest of the season shall we? back to the topic of this thread, its just one game, no biggie. We have to give shaq more time with the suns before we come to any conclusions

 

[DCgirl13]

ya, we obviously have different opinions on these matters, lets just enjoy the rest of the season shall we? back to the topic of this thread, its just one game, no biggie. We have to give shaq more time with the suns before we come to any conclusions

This is very true, too bad Lakers fans don't understand that. They are so stuck up in their Laker bubble, it's sickening.

 

[MC KAos]

haha, my cousin is a lakers fan. these are his favorite teams.....lakers, yankees, patriots, and USC!! talk about your bandwagon fan

 

[sharph20]

Oh I thought this was a thread about the Hornets vs. Suns.....wow deja vu.

 

[Route 66]

Oh I thought this was a thread about the Hornets vs. Suns.....wow deja vu.

Ah! Another person interested in the Suns.

 

[sharph20]

Ah! Another person interested in the Suns.

Yeah i'm interested....

 

[MC KAos]

well, in the suns defense, they have been playing great teams recently, but the problem is that thats whats always been the problem with the suns, they usually beat up on bad teams and lose to the good ones.