T.O. and Tom Brady working out

[Doomsday101]

He ran a 4.5 40 at age 38.. I think that's pretty telling. Plus the fact that we all know what kind of a physical freak he is as far as keeping his body in shape and being a workout fiend.

Do I know if he's slipping or why teams didn't take a chance on him last season? I do not.

But I haven't seen signs that he's slipping as far as his physical performance. Just had hands issues in his tryout with Seattle from what it looked like.

Hershal Walker can still run a 4.4 at almost age 50 but not interested him either.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

Hershal Walker can still run a 4.4 at almost age 50 but not interested him either.

I don't think people are trying to say "Sign this man because he ran this 40 time." But nontheless, I think its a pretty big feat that a 38 year old that most [want] to consider watched up can out run 95 percent of the guys entering the NFL. The question with Owens was "Did he lose his speed." He lost his "start up speed" around the time the Cowboys cut him, but when he reaches top gear, its as if he hasn't los a step.

As stated before, T.O.'s problem last year was dropping a TON of balls, not about getting open.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think people are trying to say "Sign this man because he ran this 40 time." But nontheless, I think its a pretty big feat that a 38 year old that most [want] to consider watched up can out run 95 percent of the guys entering the NFL. The question with Owens was "Did he lose his speed." He lost his "start up speed" around the time the Cowboys cut him, but when he reaches top gear, its as if he hasn't los a step.

As stated before, T.O.'s problem last year was dropping a TON of balls, not about getting open.

what I'm saying it all that stuff means nothing as long as he is a head case. 2012 was only last year and the AFL Wrangers released him why? he chooses not to play a couple of road game. The guy is not wroth it, as for his pysical ability well as I said Walker at 50 is doing MMA fighting, is still in great shape likely could kick TO butt all over the place but not really interested in him either. If I was going to pick one of these 2 guys hell I would take Walker. :laugh2:

 

[Yeagermeister]

what I'm saying it all that stuff means nothing as long as he is a head case. 2012 was only last year and the AFL Wrangers released him why? he chooses not to play a couple of road game. The guy is not wroth it, as for his pysical ability well as I said Walker at 50 is doing MMA fighting, is still in great shape likely could kick TO butt all over the place but not really interested in him either. If I was going to pick one of these 2 guys hell I would take Walker. :laugh2:

Conditioning has never been a question with MeO. It's his head and hands. He's a nutjob that drops passes.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Hershal Walker can still run a 4.4 at almost age 50 but not interested him either.

I was responding to someone who was arguing that he's losing his physical ability.. you're looking for a different debate.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was responding to someone who was arguing that he's losing his physical ability.. you're looking for a different debate.

I think he has the physical tools to play I question his head. People act as if 2012 was a long time ago it was just last year he pulls a TO and gets booted off an AFL team. The guy does not learn he is 38 and still pulling his stunts.

Some people claim he deserves something? He screws himself he is getting exactly what he deserves. His talent was such that he could call his own shot but the man is a head case and was bounced from 1 team to another and despite his talent no one is willing to put up with it. Normally if a player has great talent most coaches will put up with a certain amont of non sense but none were willing to put up with TO for long

Now you got to ask who is the problem all these other teams or TO?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think he has the physical tools to play I question his head. People act as if 2012 was a long time ago it was just last year he pulls a TO and gets booted off an AFL team. The guy does not learn he is 38 and still pulling his stunts.

Some people claim he deserves something? He screws himself he is getting exactly what he deserves. His talent was such that he could call his own shot but the man is a head case and was bounced from 1 team to another and despite his talent no one is willing to put up with it. Normally if a player has great talent most coaches will put up with a certain amont of non sense but none were willing to put up with TO for long

Now you got to ask who is the problem all these other teams or TO?

I never claimed he deserved anything, I was simply arguing, and you agree, that I believe he still possesses top notch physical abilities. I still believe his strength/speed combo is better than most of the receivers in the NFL and if he played with Brady, he'd put up big numbers. That's all.

 

[muck4doo]

I think he has the physical tools to play I question his head. People act as if 2012 was a long time ago it was just last year he pulls a TO and gets booted off an AFL team. The guy does not learn he is 38 and still pulling his stunts.

Some people claim he deserves something? He screws himself he is getting exactly what he deserves. His talent was such that he could call his own shot but the man is a head case and was bounced from 1 team to another and despite his talent no one is willing to put up with it. Normally if a player has great talent most coaches will put up with a certain amont of non sense but none were willing to put up with TO for long

Now you got to ask who is the problem all these other teams or TO?

Yes, he deserves a shot. If he can sign for cheap, and non-guaranteed money, why shouldn't he get a shot? I see many teams black balling him, and it's not right. Why? Because he spoke truth about McNabb? Yes, he is an idiot for many things he said, but like I also said, I didn't see him cause any problems on the Bills or Bengals. Obviously Brady also sees something left in T.O. if he is throwing passes to him at USC.

 

[muck4doo]

I never claimed he deserved anything, I was simply arguing, and you agree, that I believe he still possesses top notch physical abilities. I still believe his strength/speed combo is better than most of the receivers in the NFL and if he played with Brady, he'd put up big numbers. That's all.

And you are right about this. Others won't agree with you, but I do.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, he deserves a shot. If he can sign for cheap, and non-guaranteed money, why shouldn't he get a shot? I see many teams black balling him, and it's not right. Why? Because he spoke truth about McNabb? Yes, he is an idiot for many things he said, but like I also said, I didn't see him cause any problems on the Bills or Bengals. Obviously Brady also sees something left in T.O. if he is throwing passes to him at USC.

He deserves nothing, why does he deserve anything? TO has burned bridge after bridge. As for Bills and Bengles last time I checked he is not playing for either why?


TO is an idiot who has hurt himself with his own stupid mouth. He is not smart enough to figure it out and does it over and over. yeah it is everyone else fault.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

That whole AFL situation with the Wranglers is also fishy because I've read quite a few reports that Owens wasn't contractually obliged to play in road games and the Wranglers were full aware of that. I don't want to get into a debate over an AFL team because we already know T.O. won't get the benefit of the doubt in that situation.

What we do know is that when he was in the NFL, his last two seasons, he was not a "headcase." Headcases don't get recommended to their buddy QB's to sign them to their team. Incase you are wondering what I am refering to, T.O. had drawn interest in Cincy twice. Originally they went for Antonio Bryant, which obviously didn't work out, after Owens was vouched for by Chad Ochocinco. The Bengals were obviously smart enough not to let Chad dupe them into signing T.O. But when Carson Palmer received word from Ryan Fitzpatrick, which the two are extremely close friends, that T.O. was nothing short of an outstanding teamate and he can play at a high level, the Bengals decided to sign him. Again, this was after Palmer vouched for Owens to the Bengals because of Fitzpatrick (and also because Palmer and Owens were working out).

I'm a firm believer of "things change, people don't." So I'm not stating Owens is some saint now. But what was clear was while he was in the NFL his last two seasons, he wasn't a headcase. Being that his situation financially is in dire straits, one could assume he would be on his best behavior, especially in New England. Randy "I play when I want to" Moss, was on good behavior in NE, somewhat. The moment he opened his mouth he got canned.

I've followed Owens since he was drafted by the 49ers the there's two major differences between when he was with the 49ers and Eagles thats different than when he was with the Cowboys, Bills and Bengals. With the 49ers and Eagles, Owens went to the media to throw people under the bus. With the Cowboys, he never went to the media, rather, Ed Werder was able to dig up dirt from Cowboy snitches. This isn't to excuse Owens' behavior of Witten and Romo conspiring, just pointing out that Owens never went to the media to do so as he did with his former two teams, rather he tried to keep in behind closed doors. In Buffalo, he never said a word despite that QB carousel which took place with Trentative Edwards, Ryan Fitz, and Brian Brohm. In Cincy, he was an outstanding teamate and never went to the media. Him and Carson still workout together to this day.

Not accusing anyone in particular, but Cowboys fans tend to have an agenda towards EX Players and I rarely see them state anything positive about said person.

 

[joseephuss]

What we do know is that his last two years in the league he played for two different teams. If he is so loved, then a team would have kept him. Not that any of that matters to me at this point. If he can play, he can play. I don't think he can play(at an elite level) anymore no matter what shape he keeps himself in. The Seahwawks didn't think so, either. They talked highly of him as a person and they also didn't have any proven receivers on their team last year, yet they cut him. That is telling.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

What we do know is that his last two years in the league he played for two different teams. If he is so loved, then a team would have kept him. Not that any of that matters to me at this point. If he can play, he can play. I don't think he can play(at an elite level) anymore no matter what shape he keeps himself in. The Seahwawks didn't think so, either. They talked highly of him as a person and they also didn't have any proven receivers on their team last year, yet they cut him. That is telling.

The Bills signed him to a one year deal and their HC was fired mid season, Perry Fewell took over mid season, and then Chan Gailey was hired. So him not resigning with the Bills after they received a new HC isn't some sort of a sign that he wasn't liked there as new HC's tend to do this, especially with teams like the Bills which seem to be rebuilding every year.

The Bengals are a diff story. Marvin Lewis stayed, but not only was Owens not brought back, but neither was Chad and Carson was traded. Another indication of "cleaning house" so I don't see how that can be some sort of a negative thing for Owens.
As for the Seahawks, here's the backstory: They were thin at WR indeed. However, all of their WR's with the exception of Braylon and T.O., played ST. Therefore, the Seahawks could only keep one of them. Braylon made the most of his opportunities in his preseason games, while Owens dropped all of them. However, in Owens two games, he was able to beat single coverage in almost every instance and even barbequed Champ Bailey.

I don't think Owens can play at an elite level anymore but he damn sure can be productive, especially if Brady is throwing him the ball.

 

[Rogah]

Yes, he deserves a shot. If he can sign for cheap, and non-guaranteed money, why shouldn't he get a shot?

Because history his proven that he is plenty willing to employ a scorched earth policy of doing as much damage to a team as he possibly can when he doesn't get his way.

Obviously Brady also sees something left in T.O. if he is throwing passes to him at USC.

Yeah, he sees a guy that can run.