T.O. isn't the only one to blame in Philly

[AtlCB]

Philly knew what they were getting with Terrell Owens, and they starting ripping him when he got injured.

Saying "we don't need T.O. to win". That is ridiculous. And it's not what you want to hear as a player.

The Eagles can say "we can win without T.O." but T.O can't say "If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" That's ridiculous.

Also catching 100 tds is a milestone... who did Philly think they were not celebrating him for gaining such a statistic.

T.O. isn't the only person to blame here, and I hate how they've made it appear as if he is. Not only did Philly start the whole thing, they continued to compound it at every turn.

T.O. didn't even do anything negative until he threatened to hold out of camp, as MANY players did. And even then he came in.

What is your excuse for T.O.'s behavior in San Francisco?

 

[BHendri5]

How have they disrespected him ? He signed a big contract with a Big signing bonus. Heck, he's probably made over 11 million the last year and a half...

He had a 5 or 6 illion SB coming this Spring. That would make at least 15 million paid to him over 2 years.

So far...7.5 million a year...Hmm, how is that disrespectful ?

They did disrespect him. He was not getting paid the amount of money due a WR with his talents, and stats, production, must I keep going?

 

[VACowboy]

I read on another board that Owens/Rosenhaus are having a PC at 3.

 

[Jarv]

They did disrespect him. He was not getting paid the amount of money due a WR with his talents, and stats, production, must I keep going?

15 million over 2 years. 7.5 million a year. How much more do you think he is worth ? What WR is making more than that over the last 2 years ?

 

[WV Cowboy]

While most of us agree that TO is a "childish, arrogant, over-paid jerk", it probably got REAL old REAL fast always hearing Donovan this and Donovan that.

Donovan is the "Golden Boy" in Philly, even though TO knew he wasn't all that.

That was hard for TO to swallow I'm sure, ... he just responded and handled every situation like a (see above "quote")

 

[jman]

They did disrespect him. He was not getting paid the amount of money due a WR with his talents, and stats, production, must I keep going?

First...lets all get something straight here...No one "disrespected" Terrell Owens...Period.

This is a business. Terrell Owens knew that better than most, and so do the Eagles. They made an offer...he agreed to it, signed it and earned a bunch of money while the Eagles made a run to the Super Bowl.

If anything, let just say Terrell Owens made a bad business decission, first, by allowing his first agent miss his free agency signing period.

Second, settling for less than he thought he was worth and signing a contract he didn't like.

Third, firing said agent and hiring Satan to be his agent.

Forth, letting his agent, yet again, screw him over again (screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice...well you know) and put is bank account in jepordy just so the agent can get paid.

All of this was Terrell Owen's fault. No one else. Not the Eagles or the coaches, or McNabb, or the waterboy.

So lets all get over this "They disrespected me" crap, and put the blame squarely where it belongs. Right at TO's feet.

 

[lspain1]

While most of us agree that TO is a "childish, arrogant, over-paid jerk", it probably got REAL old REAL fast always hearing Donovan this and Donovan that.

Donovan is the "Golden Boy" in Philly, even though TO knew he wasn't all that.

That was hard for TO to swallow I'm sure, ... he just responded and handled every situation like a (see above "quote")

TO is absolutely responsible for the situation he is facing today. And he is solely responsible. To say the Eagles or any other organization or individual is responsible in any way for what has happened to him is ludicrous!

Let's look at the history of this. TO fires his agent and hires Drew Rosenhaus. He then lets the world know he is unhappy with his contract and lobbies for a new deal. He throws McNabb under the bus. He reports to camp in a circus atmosphere and gets sent home for a week (a circus act as well). He plays well but throws McNabb and the Eagles organization under the bus. He starts a fight in the locker room. The Eagles demand TO take certain actions and he refuses. He is suspended and will be deactivated.

No one made him sign the contract with which he became so unhappy.
No one made him hire Drew Rosenhaus
No one made him throw McNabb under the bus (twice)
No one made him run down the Eagles organization
No one made him fight in the locker room

The Eagles will not pay him for 4 games and will come after a hunk of his remaining salary because of a specific clause in his contract about suspensions in excess of one game.

TO has basically succeeded in ensuring he will make less guaranteed money next year than this year. Apparently he will not listen to anyone who tells him when he makes a mistake. He took a city and fans that were ready to adopt him as a king and turned them all against him. Playing well this year (and keeping his mouth mostly shut) would have made the pressure on the Eagles organization irrestiable to give him the big bonus he was due or sign him to a big new long term deal (regardless of the record the team achieved it was clear he was head and shoulders above everyone but McNabb).

Make no mistake....TO is responsible for actions and he is responsible for where he is today.

 

[NotReally]

This is absolutely ridiculous!

"Philly knew what they were getting with Terrell Owens, and they starting ripping him when he got injured." No, the started ripping him when he starting acting like the same old A-hole we all knew him to be.

"Saying "we don't need T.O. to win". That is ridiculous. And it's not what you want to hear as a player."

The only other option is to say "We can't win without him" and NO ONE IS GOING TO SAY THAT!

"The Eagles can say "we can win without T.O." but T.O can't say "If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" That's ridiculous."

There are a couple of differences. The discussion about winning without T.O, was because he was injured and the WERE GOING TO BE PLAYING WITHOUT HIM. The discussion of Brett Favre, was, in essence, saying "Favre is a better quarterback than the guy we've got" (and it wasn't 'we could win with Favre, it was we could be undefeated with Favre")

Also catching 100 tds is a milestone... who did Philly think they were not celebrating him for gaining such a statistic.


ESPN just showed the "100th TD" of a dozen top NFL receivers, and none of them stopped the game and made any big deal about it (mostly just congrats on the sidelines for team mates)

"T.O. isn't the only person to blame here, and I hate how they've made it appear as if he is. Not only did Philly start the whole thing, they continued to compound it at every turn."

Just exactly how did Philly "start the whole thing"??? (Other than giving him a new contract when he came to town).

T.O. didn't even do anything negative until he threatened to hold out of camp, as MANY players did. And even then he came in.

How many players do you know of that threaten a hold out over contract issues WHEN THEY JUST SIGNED A CONTRACT THE PREVIOUS YEAR??????? And oh, yeah, he came in whenever he was told how much it was going to cost him if he DIDN'T come in. And when he did come in he acted like the total A-hole that he is, but wearing headphones and refusing to speak to anyone, including his team mates.



I have zero love for the eagle organization but oh yeah, this is definitely the organizations fault [sarcasm]

 

[joseephuss]

Forth, letting his agent, yet again, screw him over again (screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice...well you know)...

A screw won't be screwed again.

 

[visionary]

is there a "holding hands" "we are all to blame" "cant we all just get along?" figure on the board?

 

[AsthmaField]

Philly knew what they were getting with Terrell Owens, and they starting ripping him when he got injured.

Saying "we don't need T.O. to win". That is ridiculous. And it's not what you want to hear as a player.

The Eagles can say "we can win without T.O." but T.O can't say "If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" That's ridiculous.

Also catching 100 tds is a milestone... who did Philly think they were not celebrating him for gaining such a statistic.

T.O. isn't the only person to blame here, and I hate how they've made it appear as if he is. Not only did Philly start the whole thing, they continued to compound it at every turn.

T.O. didn't even do anything negative until he threatened to hold out of camp, as MANY players did. And even then he came in.

That's incredible. I thought TO was the only one in the world to think that way.

So the Eagles thought they could win the games without TO... big deal. What the heck did you expect them to say? They would have said that with any player who was out. I bet you that if McNabb had been out hurt, TO would've said, "we'll have to pick up the slack but we can still win, even without McNabb."

As a matter of fact, a couple years ago when the Eagles did play several games without McNabb, the players all said we can keep this thing going without McNabb. Did he throw a fit and expect the team to say it couldn't win without him? Heck no. He has at least a shread of common sense, which TO doesn't.

Frankly, I can't believe you can't see that. Of course you can sit there behind your keyboard and think of a response where you don't say specifically that they can win without Owens, but it's basically saying the same thing only the phrase we can win without TO isn't in it. The guys who said that probably never gave it a second thought because who on earth would get upset about saying a team of 53 players could win even though one of those 53 got hurt.

For that matter, when any player is hurt and that player's team thinks it can win on Sunday... should that guy throw a fit? Are his teammates "disrespecting" him? Pfffffft. The whole thing is rediculous and petty.

I'm surprised there is anyone who would expect anyone on the team to not think they can win without one of the other players. Had McNabb not said they could win without TO... he would have been "disrespecting" the other 52 players on the team... including himself. He'd be "disrespecting" the coaching staff too, as a matter of fact.

Why do you think 99 percent of the media and the public think TO is being a huge baby about the whole thing and think he deserves to be suspended and cut? Is it just that everyone in the United States is stupid and can't see things like you and TO? Are we all just hypersensative to remarks made by TO?

I don't think so.

Let me say this:

"We can win without an injured TO" means "even when one of our players goes down, we can have one of the reserves step up and still win the game." No one even blinks at that statement... except you and TO.

"If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" means "our QB isn't good enough to help us win games and we need to get rid of him for someone who is better." That statement is almost unheard of in the NFL because you're selling out a teammate and saying he isn't who you want throwing you passes. That is really looked down upon by the media, fans and other players, and shows a tendency to blame others. It's petty and childish.

If you can't see that then you're just as blind as Owens to reality, common sense and the way things work. IMO, of course.

EDIT** I forgot this. You said that all TO did was ask for money and everyone does that in the NFL.

Right. Except that TO had just signed a multi-year deal the year before and because he got a new agent who wanted his cut of a new contract, he up and decides that he wants to redo.

This isn't done "everyday" in the NFL, and I'd bet that all of the other teams wouldn't have given in to his demands either.

Why do you think they wouldn't have given in? Because they're all unreasonable? No. Because TO and his agent's request was unreasonable.

Then TO didn't get his way and he threw a fit and started cutting down teammates and the organization.

He's a schmuck.

 

[joseephuss]

That's incredible. I thought TO was the only one in the world to think that way.

So the Eagles thought they could win the games without TO... big deal. What the heck did you expect them to say? They would have said that with any player who was out. I bet you that if McNabb had been out hurt, TO would've said, "we'll have to pick up the slack but we can still win, even without McNabb."

As a matter of fact, a couple years ago when the Eagles did play several games without McNabb, the players all said we can keep this thing going without McNabb. Did he throw a fit and expect the team to say it couldn't win without him? Heck no. He has at least a shread of common sense, which TO doesn't.

Frankly, I can't believe you can't see that. Of course you can sit there behind your keyboard and think of a response where you don't say specifically that they can win without Owens, but it's basically saying the same thing only the phrase we can win without TO isn't in it. The guys who said that probably never gave it a second thought because who on earth would get upset about saying a team of 53 players could win even though one of those 53 got hurt.

For that matter, when any player is hurt and that player's team thinks it can win on Sunday... should that guy throw a fit? Are his teammates "disrespecting" him? Pfffffft. The whole thing is rediculous and petty.

I'm surprised there is anyone who would expect anyone on the team to not think they can win without one of the other players. Had McNabb not said they could win without TO... he would have been "disrespecting" the other 52 players on the team... including himself. He'd be "disrespecting" the coaching staff too, as a matter of fact.

Why do you think 99 percent of the media and the public think TO is being a huge baby about the whole thing and think he deserves to be suspended and cut? Is it just that everyone in the United States is stupid and can't see things like you and TO? Are we all just hypersensative to remarks made by TO?

I don't think so.

Let me say this:

"We can win without an injured TO" means "even when one of our players goes down, we can have one of the reserves step up and still win the game." No one even blinks at that statement... except you and TO.

"If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" means "our QB isn't good enough to help us win games and we need to get rid of him for someone who is better." That statement is almost unheard of in the NFL because you're selling out a teammate and saying he isn't who you want throwing you passes. That is really looked down upon by the media, fans and other players, and shows a tendency to blame others. It's petty and childish.

If you can't see that then you're just as blind as Owens to reality, common sense and the way things work. IMO, of course.

Harumph! Harumph!

 

[kevwun]

The eagles knew TO was an egotistical *** and they traded for him anyway. They have no one to blame but themselves and they won't get any sympathy from me.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

One thing I have learned:

no matter the situation, it is always possible to make an argument that it is "someone elses fault"