T.O. isn't the only one to blame in Philly

[playit12]

I would HARDLY consider KJ's arguing with DB detrimentla for the team.

They aren't coming down on TO for arguing with McNabb. Are you thinking that is what this is about?

Name ONE time that KJ blasted the Cowboy organization.

Arguements happen ALL THE TIME between QB's and WR's.

TO has been talking bad about the organization for quite a while. Totally different.

The NFL isn't coming down on anyone... which was the point here. Of course we weren't going to suspend KJ as a team. Not even the fans wanted that.

Lets not confuse what the Team does with what the NFL does.

Lots of players are spoiled, lots of players bad talk the admin and or other players. However it's very uncommon for players to be suspended for that. KJ nor Corey Dillion were actually suspended (I don't believe) but were held inactive which is a huge difference.

It is entirely at the teams discretion what to do.

 

[playit12]

Really, is that why they selected McNabb despite the city of Philly's open declaration to do whatever it takes to move up and draft Ricky Williams? Is that why the fans booed McNabb on draft day. Reid nor the organization aren't under pressure from Philly fans. If they were, they wouldn't have released fan favorites like Troy Vincent, and Bobby Taylor. They wouldn't have allowed Hugh Douglas and Jeremiah Trotter to initially leave .

You are 2/3 right. If the fans and McNabb didn't care, they would keep him but that's like saying a boy would continue to piss on a wasps' nest if the wasps didn't attack him.

First those other issues had much less media play than TO. Being defined by market forces, we can assume then that the fans care much more about this.

As for the second part, really TO hasn't said much about Reid. Mostly his comments are either at the Front Office or to McNabb. This doesn't begin to compare to what Key did to Gruden.

I'm not really vested in this, but I just think it's stupid on many fronts, not just one.

 

[Hoov]

I really couldn't care less whose fault this is. I'm just glad its happening.

Nice post silver. I agree.

Yeah, owens has acted like an immatute child, and its obvious he has done most of the thinhs to spite the eagles.

Though at the very start, and most eagles fans and philly sports talk people all agree on this, the eagles could have talked with TO and handled things a little more diplomatic. Instead they came right to the media and said NO, there is absolutely no way we will negotiate or rework his contract and they openly started a game of hardball with TO.

At that point it became an ego thing, and it got worse cause Reid is a players coach more so than a disciplinarian, and all these little fires were allowed to continue burning, things were swept under the rug, only to reemerge later.

I dont think the eagles shoul;d have catered to his demands, but i think a couple diplomatic meetings and some discussions about what migt be done in the future or maybe adding some incentives with bonuses might have at least saved face this year. But the eagles basically drew a line in the sand with TO and said, go ahead, we dare you to cross it...and of course he did. Im just saying i dont see why the eagles had to publicly initiate the hardball stance and use the media to do it.

 

[playit12]

Nice post silver. I agree.

Yeah, owens has acted like an immatute child, and its obvious he has done most of the thinhs to spite the eagles.

Though at the very start, and most eagles fans and philly sports talk people all agree on this, the eagles could have talked with TO and handled things a little more diplomatic. Instead they came right to the media and said NO, there is absolutely no way we will negotiate or rework his contract and they openly started a game of hardball with TO.

At that point it became an ego thing, and it got worse cause Reid is a players coach more so than a disciplinarian, and all these little fires were allowed to continue burning, things were swept under the rug, only to reemerge later.

I dont think the eagles shoul;d have catered to his demands, but i think a couple diplomatic meetings and some discussions about what migt be done in the future or maybe adding some incentives with bonuses might have at least saved face this year. But the eagles basically drew a line in the sand with TO and said, go ahead, we dare you to cross it...and of course he did. Im just saying i dont see why the eagles had to publicly initiate the hardball stance and use the media to do it.

The incetives idea would have a been a good one. Something like giving him his gaurenteed 2006 salary if he makes the pro bowl and catches 10 TD passes or something. In return TO lets them spread it out as a SB over the life of the deal and stops whinning to the media.

Oh well... not the path they chose.

 

[Rack]

Yes, one more TO thread. I apologize in advance to those tiring of this whole mess, but what else is there to talk about during a bye week?

I'm not a TO fan. Not at all.

But to make Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb out to be heroes, and absolve them from this whole mess is quite ridiculous.

This situtation began to get out of control last year before the Super Bowl when McNabb said the Eagles could win without TO. Since that moment Owens has taken every possible opportunity to criticize the QB, and McNabb by his actions, has done nothing but encourage it.

McNabb could have taken the high road, or said the obvious "It'll be tough without TO, but we're still going to play the game." And after it was clear Owens was angered by the comments, justified or not, McNabb could have made a public peace offering, but he chose not to. Leader?

McNabb could also have taken himself completely out of the TO contract saga. "TO is a very valuable member of our offense and my best target. I don't write the checks, but we're a better team with him." But nothing like that came out of McNabb's mouth.

Andy Reid should have put himself right in the middle of this mess as soon as it happened but he let his team get as much out of control as Tice did the Vikings.

TO just did what he always does.

The Eagles organization are the ones that failed.

Now McNabb gets to go back to being the QB that everyone says "Wow, he doesn't even have any targets. How good could this guy be...."

He can get used to it because he'll never have another target like Owens, and it's as much his own fault as anyone's.

I'm so glad I'm not an Eagles fan this weekend.

That was a giant load of a crap. Thanks for wasting a minute or two of my life.

 

[Hoov]

That was a giant load of a crap. Thanks for wasting a minute or two of my life.

Actually, isnt it you who chose to waste those 2 minutes of your life reading that post..

 

[Galian Beast]

Philly knew what they were getting with Terrell Owens, and they starting ripping him when he got injured.

Saying "we don't need T.O. to win". That is ridiculous. And it's not what you want to hear as a player.

The Eagles can say "we can win without T.O." but T.O can't say "If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" That's ridiculous.

Also catching 100 tds is a milestone... who did Philly think they were not celebrating him for gaining such a statistic.

T.O. isn't the only person to blame here, and I hate how they've made it appear as if he is. Not only did Philly start the whole thing, they continued to compound it at every turn.

T.O. didn't even do anything negative until he threatened to hold out of camp, as MANY players did. And even then he came in.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

oh come on...it wasn't like that.

and what was mcnabb suppossed to say? ok, we're gonna lose w/o him. we mine as well not play. injuries happen...you go on.

and guess what....THEY DID WIN WITHOUT HIM. 2 playoff games.

the comments were typical politically correct comments. t.o. is just a baby.

 

[Hoods]

What exactly did you want them to say?

They said that TO was a big part of their success, what more can you ask for? Are they supposed to say, "We can't win without TO."?

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have we forgotten this is a COWBOYS board. TO is basically OFF the team in Philly....move the freak on...:ralph: :ralph: :ralph:

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Well, Philly knew what they were getting for sure.

As a team are they supposed to say "We can't win without TO" ?, or "We might as well pack it up now because TO is the best player on the team ?"

Its not the same thing and its obviously more than just the ESPN interview.

 

[Galian Beast]

No what McNabb and the other Eagles who commented SHOULD have said was "We're going to be playing tough opponents, and it's going to be even tougher without T.O., but we're still going to go out there and try and win."

They beat the Vikings and the Falcons... two teams I would say that weren't especially great last year. Especially Minnesota.

People have gotten on T.O. for NOT being politically correct.

What has T.O. done that was so bad?

Ask for more money?

Threatened to hold out?

Lots of players do this EVERY YEAR.

Not socialize to players and fans that criticized him and said didn't need him? WOW big surprise...

Put on a Michael Irvin jersey? Wow... he is a fan of Irvin... so what? It's mutual...

 

[jman]

Philly knew what they were getting with Terrell Owens, and they starting ripping him when he got injured.

Saying "we don't need T.O. to win". That is ridiculous. And it's not what you want to hear as a player.

The Eagles can say "we can win without T.O." but T.O can't say "If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" That's ridiculous.

Also catching 100 tds is a milestone... who did Philly think they were not celebrating him for gaining such a statistic.

T.O. isn't the only person to blame here, and I hate how they've made it appear as if he is. Not only did Philly start the whole thing, they continued to compound it at every turn.

T.O. didn't even do anything negative until he threatened to hold out of camp, as MANY players did. And even then he came in.

LOL...Now this is ridiculuos...LOL

 

[Galian Beast]

Everyone likes to gang up and people who are outspoken.

T.O. isn't the voice of the team, he is alone... so obviously he is the problem. He is evil, he is the cancer...

The fact is the team disrespected T.O. since last year, and all throughout last year T.O. was doing what they brought him in to do.

 

[watertown]

Curtis Martin scored his 100th yesterday and they did not lightoff fireworks

 

[watertown]

But Martin is a class act

 

[BHendri5]

Philly knew what they were getting with Terrell Owens, and they starting ripping him when he got injured.

Saying "we don't need T.O. to win". That is ridiculous. And it's not what you want to hear as a player.

The Eagles can say "we can win without T.O." but T.O can't say "If we had Brett Favre we'd be winning" That's ridiculous.

Also catching 100 tds is a milestone... who did Philly think they were not celebrating him for gaining such a statistic.

T.O. isn't the only person to blame here, and I hate how they've made it appear as if he is. Not only did Philly start the whole thing, they continued to compound it at every turn.

T.O. didn't even do anything negative until he threatened to hold out of camp, as MANY players did. And even then he came in.

Good post, I agree with it.

 

[joseephuss]

Galian Beast, I agree that Philly is partly to blame. How can they not be? I think most people blame both parties to some extent. Obviously, they blame T.O. more.

Your posts seem to indicate that you don't blame T.O. at all. Maybe I am reading it wrong, but it appears that you think T.O. has done nothing wrong.

I thought last year after T.O. was injured that McNabb said he and the Eagles would prefer to have T.O. on the field, but they could win without him.

 

[BHendri5]

Curtis Martin, got the recognition he deserved, You can believe that. They might not have stopped the game, but they did recognized him for his accomplishment, on Sunday.

 

[Jarv]

Everyone likes to gang up and people who are outspoken.

T.O. isn't the voice of the team, he is alone... so obviously he is the problem. He is evil, he is the cancer...

The fact is the team disrespected T.O. since last year, and all throughout last year T.O. was doing what they brought him in to do.

How have they disrespected him ? He signed a big contract with a Big signing bonus. Heck, he's probably made over 11 million the last year and a half...

He had a 5 or 6 illion SB coming this Spring. That would make at least 15 million paid to him over 2 years.

So far...7.5 million a year...Hmm, how is that disrespectful ?