Taco's sack against the Rams

[SlimBig]

The OP is right.
Taco is not going to be a sack guy we're used to seeing now.
The crazed, speed guy, bending around the corner, sacking QBs.

The posters who brought up Strahan and Hardy are right.
Look at this Strahan video and not see Taco being this potentially.

That's a high bar but Taco has the measurables to try and replicate this type of pass rushing.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I disagree about the quick get off. Taco was the first off the ball almost every snap Saturday

My comment is that he is never going to be a quick twitch edge rusher like Ware, this is true as to his college game tape and preseason work.

He simply does not have that explosive first step, he has area quickness but not a quick twitch explosive get off like other edge players.

Some other poster was talking about get off not being slow which I have no argument with it is also not Ware like fast either.

He has other tools though and can develop into a productive rusher with time and technique work.

 

[xwalker]

The only reason he was franchised twice was because of his knee.

Not sure I follow the logic.

They had already Franchised him the 2nd time before the knee injury.

 

[casmith07]

Not sure I follow the logic.

They had already Franchised him the 2nd time before the knee injury.

Then my timeline is messed up. I stand corrected.

 

[casmith07]

If I remember correctly, one of Watt's sacks was a team sack. They collapsed the pocket and when the QB tried to escape, that is when he was sacked. (should have been a sack and was)

The other, I believe Watt was unblocked and he basically used his athletic ability to get to him. Leaving a guy unblocked on a play like that is asking to get sacked. Though he still did have to catch and bring him down.

He's also playing OLB in a 3-4 defense. The pressure comes differently.

 

[xwalker]

My comment is that he is never going to be a quick twitch edge rusher like Ware, this is true as to his college game tape and preseason work.

He simply does not have that explosive first step, he has area quickness but not a quick twitch explosive get off like other edge players.

Some other poster was talking about get off not being slow which I have no argument with it is also not Ware like fast either.

He has other tools though and can develop into a productive rusher with time and technique work.

Not many pass rushers are "Ware Fast".

More are likely Strahan/Hardy than Ware/Von Miller.

 

[Verdict]

Watt may get more playing time though. I honestly don't have any handle on how they intend to use Watt, but the line is long at DE for the Cowboys and I don't think Taco is going to start.

My concern, as I'm sure you are already aware, is there will be a group of fans who will only look at the sack numbers and make a conclusion, without ever even stopping to consider snap count and the difference in scheme. In Marinelli's scheme, the 3 tech by design should get alot of sacks. In the 3-4 by design, the olb gets alot of sacks. So, one could infer based on design, Watt will get more sacks than Taco because he is not necessarily in the prime spot to get sacks.

The right defensive end should theoretically get a lot of sacks too. We have been sold a bill of goods that Taco is a bona fide right defensive end. Time will tell, I guess.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Not many pass rushers are "Ware Fast".

More are likely Strahan/Hardy than Ware/Von Miller.

You grasp my point, thank you, it was not a criticism of Taco either to clarify!

Brugler compared him to a Justin Tuck.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

My comment is that he is never going to be a quick twitch edge rusher like Ware, this is true as to his college game tape and preseason work.

He simply does not have that explosive first step, he has area quickness but not a quick twitch explosive get off like other edge players.

Some other poster was talking about get off not being slow which I have no argument with it is also not Ware like fast either.

He has other tools though and can develop into a productive rusher with time and technique work.

He is the fastest off the line on the team. To be fair not many players are as quick off the line as Ware but Taco has that explosive trait.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yea because they are everywhere.

Amazon has a bunch.

 

[Rogerthat12]

He is the fastest off the line on the team. To be fair not many players are as quick off the line as Ware but Taco has that explosive trait.

Taco has some quickness to be sure but he does not have an explosive quick twitch like speed edge rushers, I stand by my point having looked at his college game tape and preseason thus far.

This is nothing new considering a plethora of draft evaluations of Taco indicating the same.

Taco has length, some power (which will get better in the training program) and some short area quickness ( which you attest to) which if developed properly could produce an impact end, time will tell.

However, he is not a speed edge rusher in the like of Ware and such like, of course they are rare and have a different body type and skill set as a rusher, hence my point.

There are different types of edge rushers, time will tell exactly which type Taco will be!

 

[TNCowboy]

Our fan base is spoiled, and think players like Demarcus Ware grow from trees. Just wait until Dak is getting towards the end of his career, we're going to have tons of idiot fans who think it will be easy to replace him, since we went seamlessly from an UDFA in Tony Romo, to a 4th rounder in Prescott.

Spoiled? We've only had 2 great DEs since Ed Jones got old 30 years ago, and one of those 2 lasted here only a short while.

Anyone who's still a Cowboy fan after the last 20+ years can be described as almost anything but spoiled.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Taco has some quickness to be sure but he does not have an explosive quick twitch like speed edge rushers, I stand by my point having looked at his college game tape and preseason thus far.

This is nothing new considering a plethora of draft evaluations of Taco indicating the same.

Taco has length, some power (which will get better in the training program) and some short area quickness ( which you attest to) which if developed properly could produce an impact end, time will tell.

However, he is not a speed edge rusher in the like of Ware and such like, of course they are rare and have a different body type and skill set as a rusher, hence my point.

There are different types of edge rushers, time will tell exactly which type Taco will be!

You said Taco doesn't have quick get off which is false. He was the first player off the ball almost every snap. You have a great eye and most your evaluations I agree with but I say a guy that was fast getting off the ball.....correct that, the fastest on the team that played.

 

[xwalker]

The right defensive end should theoretically get a lot of sacks too. We have been sold a bill of goods that Taco is a bona fide right defensive end. Time will tell, I guess.

He might have to play some LDE depending on who else is healthy and not suspended. That does not mean he can't play RDE.

They don't want Mayowa on the left and maybe not Tapper. They might even keep DLaw on the right to put a little less stress on his back.

 

[BAT]

Yea because they are everywhere.

They must be somewhere, and if I want one then I should turn over every rock. There are Jason Taylors and James Harrisons out there to be had.

Have Jimmy help them find the next one, one thing he understands and respects, it's speed, at every position.

Just don't tell me that it's too hard, or impossible. That's complete BS.

 

[stilltheguru88]

LOL...........Michael Strahan? The guy gets one sack in preseason against Rams scrub backups and he is the next Michael Strahan. This just gets better and better.

Lol this is what Risen star has spawned

 

[adbutcher]

Amazon has a bunch.

They do have everything.

 

[adbutcher]

They must be somewhere, and if I want one then I should turn over every rock. There are Jason Taylors and James Harrisons out there to be had.

Have Jimmy help them find the next one, one thing he understands and respects, it's speed, at every position.

Just don't tell me that it's too hard, or impossible. That's complete BS.

It is hard else we would have more than anyone. To get a premium edge rusher you must draft in the top 2. To draft in the top 2, you have to suck. Once teams get their hands of a great pressure player, they tend to pay a kings ransom to keep him unless he is a complete nut job. I am not sure this fan base would tolerate Haley now let a lone some two bit version of him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Sacks aren't easy to get. Only 5 players had more than 12 sacks last year.

2016 players with double digit sacks:

Rk Player Team
1 Vic Beasley ATL OLB 15.5
2 Von Miller DEN OLB 13.5
3 Lorenzo Alexander BUF OLB 12.5
3 Markus Golden ARI OLB 12.5
3 Danielle Hunter MIN DE 12.5
6 Cliff Avril SEA DE 11.5
6 Cameron Wake MIA DE 11.5
8 Chandler Jones ARI OLB 11.0
8 Ryan Kerrigan WAS OLB 11.0
8 Khalil Mack OAK DE 11.0
8 Nick Perry GB OLB 11.0
8 Erik Walden IND OLB 11.0
13 Joey Bosa SD DE 10.5
13 Brian Orakpo TEN OLB 10.5
15 Frank Clark SEA DE 10.0
15 Dee Ford KC OLB 10.0

 

[Rogerthat12]

You said Taco doesn't have quick get off which is false. He was the first player off the ball almost every snap. You have a great eye and most your evaluations I agree with but I say a guy that was fast getting off the ball.....correct that, the fastest on the team that played.

I respectfully disagree my friend with respect to Taco being quick twitch but I do think he has the frame and the potential to become an impact DE if he continues to develop his power, technique and quickness.