Taco's sack against the Rams

[BAT]

Of all the great ones in the league right now, how many were drafted as low as 28? And don't give me any names of guys who failed drug tests right before the draft.

Why limit the dialog to "great" pass rushers, or to just currently playing, or that were picked under 28, or not including guys who failed drug tests (Warren Sapp)?

Slicing that salami awful thin to support your agenda. And do you're own research Bellomy, come to the table with something other than a loaded deck.

 

[BAT]

Sacks aren't easy to get. Only 5 players had more than 12 sacks last year.

2016 players with double digit sacks:

Rk Player Team
1 Vic Beasley ATL OLB 15.5
2 Von Miller DEN OLB 13.5
3 Lorenzo Alexander BUF OLB 12.5
3 Markus Golden ARI OLB 12.5
3 Danielle Hunter MIN DE 12.5
6 Cliff Avril SEA DE 11.5
6 Cameron Wake MIA DE 11.5
8 Chandler Jones ARI OLB 11.0
8 Ryan Kerrigan WAS OLB 11.0
8 Khalil Mack OAK DE 11.0
8 Nick Perry GB OLB 11.0
8 Erik Walden IND OLB 11.0
13 Joey Bosa SD DE 10.5
13 Brian Orakpo TEN OLB 10.5
15 Frank Clark SEA DE 10.0
15 Dee Ford KC OLB 10.0

Oh oh Bellomy, I see a few guys who were picked after 28th pick on this list.

See what research looks like before shooting off an uninformed declarative.

 

[BAT]

It is hard else we would have more than anyone. To get a premium edge rusher you must draft in the top 2. To draft in the top 2, you have to suck. Once teams get their hands of a great pressure player, they tend to pay a kings ransom to keep him unless he is a complete nut job. I am not sure this fan base would tolerate Haley now let a lone some two bit version of him.

There have been some good to great pass rushers found late in first, late in the draft or even undrafted, other than Charles Haley. All I'm advocating for is to exhaust all means possible to find one. Draft is one means, there are other means, including trade and UDFA. Another means is improving the scouting, hire more guys with track records finding pass rushers and/or coaches who can quickly develop them.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I respectfully disagree my friend with respect to Taco being quick twitch but I do think he has the frame and the potential to become an impact DE if he continues to develop his power, technique and quickness.

I agree he needs more development. Great to discuss with you, I look forward to more of your analysis in the near future

 

[CowboyRoy]

The OP is right.
Taco is not going to be a sack guy we're used to seeing now.
The crazed, speed guy, bending around the corner, sacking QBs.

The posters who brought up Strahan and Hardy are right.
Look at this Strahan video and not see Taco being this potentially.

That's a high bar but Taco has the measurables to try and replicate this type of pass rushing.

Again.................to compare Taco to Strahan at this point before he has one sack in a real game is insulting to Strahan. The guy had 100 sacks in his career and will be in the HOF. How about you compare him to Demarcus Lawrence. That seems a more realistic comparison at this point.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I respectfully disagree my friend with respect to Taco being quick twitch but I do think he has the frame and the potential to become an impact DE if he continues to develop his power, technique and quickness.

There is NOTHING quick twitch about Taco. Its just he opposite.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I never mentioned you at all, my comments had nothing to do with you. However I stand behind what I said those who threw a hissy fit about him being drafted will be his worse critics. The kid has played 2 fricken pre season games. He showed some improvement but of course those who do not like the pick will continue to hammer him. I would hope people will give the kid a chance to show himself.

Critiquing a players performance is not hammering. Its reality. If he plays good or bad, those are just the facts. And mild improvement from a horrible performance is hardly anything to crow about.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Taco doesn't need to be the answer. He just needs to be part of the solution to our overall lack of talent on the d-line.

Taco was drafted specifically to be a pass rushing stud. He was drafted to be a RDE. That is what we were told specifically from Jones himself.

 

[bsbellomy]

Oh oh Bellomy, I see a few guys who were picked after 28th pick on this list.

See what research looks like before shooting off an uninformed declarative.

And many of those guys he compares favorably to. But you suggested we should be looking for something else.

 

[bsbellomy]

Why limit the dialog to "great" pass rushers, or to just currently playing, or that were picked under 28, or not including guys who failed drug tests (Warren Sapp)?

Slicing that salami awful thin to support your agenda. And do you're own research Bellomy, come to the table with something other than a loaded deck.

Because you want to compare him to the great pass rushers selected in spots in front of where he went.

It wasn't a question I need an answer with specifics. And I don't have to go through each of the last 50-60 drafts to tell you it's a helluva low number.

 

[Rogerthat12]

There is NOTHING quick twitch about Taco. Its just he opposite.

I agree, he is not a quick twitch off the ball DE in my view.

 

[SlimBig]

Again.................to compare Taco to Strahan at this point before he has one sack in a real game is insulting to Strahan. The guy had 100 sacks in his career and will be in the HOF. How about you compare him to Demarcus Lawrence. That seems a more realistic comparison at this point.

I'm not disrespecting Strahan at all.
I said Taco has the measureables to potentially be that type of pass rusher.
Strahan was a guy that used great hand technique, leverage, length, tenacity and power to get to the QB.
Taco has a similar body type and length. If he works at it, he can replicate some of that.
That doesn't mean he will have over a 100 sacks, break the NFL single season sack record or be a HOF.
Greg Ellis is another example of who Taco should try and emulate.

 

[bsbellomy]

Why limit the dialog to "great" pass rushers, or to just currently playing, or that were picked under 28, or not including guys who failed drug tests (Warren Sapp)?

Slicing that salami awful thin to support your agenda. And do you're own research Bellomy, come to the table with something other than a loaded deck.

And I'm surprised I have to explain this to you, but the only reason a guy like Justin Houston is available in the third round is because he failed a drug test right before the draft, and that's the only way you'really gonna have a shot at a Miller/Ware/Mack "quick twitch" (in your words) mold pass rusher at 28. So if you want to take a huge gamble on a pick be my guest, but the Cowboys now have been ultimately burned by that strategy.

You think somehow there are undiscovered "quick twitch" guys the league doesn't know about? Ware played at Troy State and Mack played Buffalo. I'll say again, these guys don't make it to pick 28.

And the only thing "uninformed" here is your response, which seems to suggest that I think that you cannot find a good pass rushing DE pick 28 and beyond.

 

[Verdict]

He might have to play some LDE depending on who else is healthy and not suspended. That does not mean he can't play RDE.

They don't want Mayowa on the left and maybe not Tapper. They might even keep DLaw on the right to put a little less stress on his back.

That's true that where he plays isn't solely dependent on his ability to play a certain position. I also agree that the book is far from written on him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not disrespecting Strahan at all.
I said Taco has the measureables to potentially be that type of pass rusher.
Strahan was a guy that used great hand technique, leverage, length, tenacity and power to get to the QB.
Taco has a similar body type and length. If he works at it, he can replicate some of that.
That doesn't mean he will have over a 100 sacks, break the NFL single season sack record or be a HOF.
Greg Ellis is another example of who Taco should try and emulate.

Gregg Ellis, I like that comparison.

 

[JBond]

I like a DE duo of Taco and Irving for the next 5+ years. Gregory can't be relied on anything more than a situational pass rusher at best.

Who is this Gregory person you are talking about?

 

[Verdict]

And I'm surprised I have to explain this to you, but the only reason a guy like Justin Houston is available in the third round is because he failed a drug test right before the draft, and that's the only way you'really gonna have a shot at a Miller/Ware/Mack "quick twitch" (in your words) mold pass rusher at 28. So if you want to take a huge gamble on a pick be my guest, but the Cowboys now have been ultimately burned by that strategy.

You think somehow there are undiscovered "quick twitch" guys the league doesn't know about? Ware played at Troy State and Mack played Buffalo. I'll say again, these guys don't make it to pick 28.

And the only thing "uninformed" here is your response, which seems to suggest that I think that you cannot find a good pass rushing DE pick 28 and beyond.

It's a great decision if you guess right. It's all about evaluating risk vs. reward. Risk is not new to the Dallas Cowboys. We drafted Roger Staubach knowing that he had a military hitch to do before he could become a Cowboy.

There is risk in EVERY pick in some aspect. The team has to evaluate the level of risk bs reward and pull the trigger and hindsight is always 20/20. The team will look like they are geniuses if Jaylon Smith turns out to be a top 5 quality pick.

 

[Verdict]

I'm not disrespecting Strahan at all.
I said Taco has the measureables to potentially be that type of pass rusher.
Strahan was a guy that used great hand technique, leverage, length, tenacity and power to get to the QB.
Taco has a similar body type and length. If he works at it, he can replicate some of that.
That doesn't mean he will have over a 100 sacks, break the NFL single season sack record or be a HOF.
Greg Ellis is another example of who Taco should try and emulate.

Measurables are just a SWAG way of trying to quantify the skills of a player. Stats do a better job of telling you a player CANT play a position than telling you he can.

For instance a DB who runs a 4.9 40 can probably be eliminated as a possible draft pick at corner. A player who runs a 4.3 40 would not be eliminated as a possible draft pick based on his speed measuarable, but that doesn't necessarily mean he can actually play the corner position as there are factors other than just speed that come into play.

 

[bsbellomy]

It's a great decision if you guess right. It's all about evaluating risk vs. reward. Risk is not new to the Dallas Cowboys. We drafted Roger Staubach knowing that he had a military hitch to do before he could become a Cowboy.

There is risk in EVERY pick in some aspect. The team has to evaluate the level of risk bs reward and pull the trigger and hindsight is always 20/20. The team will look like they are geniuses if Jaylon Smith turns out to be a top 5 quality pick.

Yeah I understand that. Heck for every Morris Claiborne-like bust you wouldn't want to avoid CB's in the top 10 anymore. But when addiction is involved I think you have to take a harder look at that risk.