Take it from Dez

[KJJ]

Wait, you said and now you want me to change my mind about it?

It wasn't me who said it, it was you who accused me of saying it. No one has posted more BS on this board than you which is why you have ZERO credibility. Here's another bet that you won't take. If you can find any post from me where I called Dak a bust I'll terminate my account immediately and if you can't find it you have to terminate yours..deal? LOL Now stop dancing and answer the question, if what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we get from him the rest of his career will you be satisfied?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It wasn't me who said it, it was you who accused me of saying it. No one posts more BS on this board than you. Here's the bet, if can find any post from me where I called Dak a bust I'll terminate my account and if you can't find it you have to terminate yours..deal? LOL Now stop dancing and answer the question, if what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we get from him the rest of his career will you be satisfied?

You said it. Own it.

Beyond that, a player's production (good or bad) is meaningless outside the context of his team's success.

If Dez produces say, ~900-1,000 yard seasons with 8-10 TDs as part of a well-rounded offense that results in us being playoff contenders every year, I'll take that every time.

Some fans really expect to go 16-0, with their RB and WR leading the league in receiving because they can do it in "franchise" mode in Madden.

 

[KJJ]

You said it. Own it.

Beyond that, a player's production (good or bad) is meaningless outside the context of his team's success.

If Dez produces say, ~900-1,000 yard seasons with 8-10 TDs as part of a well-rounded offense that results in us being playoff contenders every year, I'll take that every time.

Some fans really expect to go 16-0, with their RB and WR leading the league in receiving because they can do it in "franchise" mode in Madden.

You're claiming I said Dak was a bust after week one. Everyone is laughing at that one with all the praise I've passed out to him since preseason. lol You couldn't have come up with a worse lie than that. I've made cash and avatar wagers with you to come up with a post where I called Dak a bust and even offered to terminate my account if you found a post and you won't take me up on any of those bets because you're lying. It's almost like you're on a mission to make yourself look foolish. Mission accomplished! This is all part of your strategy to divert. I asked if what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we get from him the rest of his career would you be satisfied with it? He's on pace for 600 yards and 4 TD's this season. If he were to only produce 900 yards and 8 TD's that's not what we paid him for. Dude, that's #2 receiver numbers.

Twill put up 840 yards last season and 3 TD's with scrub QBs and you would be happy with only 900 yards and 8 TD's from Dez Bryant who got paid a $70M contract and is suppose to be our #1 receiver??? lol A 900 yard season would be the 3rd lowest of his career and so would 8 TD's. That's average receiver numbers. A 900 yard receiving year would have ranked him at #33 last season. That's how low your standards are. Scoring 8 TD's would have had him ranked around 14th last season amongst receivers and this is after scoring more TD's than any receiver in the league from 2012 to 2014. A 900 yard, 8 TD season would have this board loaded with Dez threads with fans complaining about his production. lol

 

[Proof]

You're claiming I said Dak was a bust after week one. Everyone is laughing at that one with all the praise I've passed out to him since preseason. lol You couldn't have come up with a worse lie than that. I've made cash and avatar wagers with you to come up with a post where I called Dak a bust and even offered to terminate my account if you found a post and you won't take me up on any of those bets because you're lying. It's almost like you're on a mission to make yourself look foolish. Mission accomplished! This is all part of your strategy to divert. I asked if what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we get from him the rest of his career would you be satisfied with it? He's on pace for 600 yards and 4 TD's this season. If he were to only produce 900 yards and 8 TD's that's not what we paid him for. Dude, that's #2 receiver numbers.

Twill put up 840 yards last season and 3 TD's with scrub QBs and you would be happy with only 900 yards and 8 TD's from Dez Bryant who got paid a $70M contract and is suppose to be our #1 receiver??? lol A 900 yard season would be the 3rd lowest of his career and so would 8 TD's. That's average receiver numbers. A 900 yard receiving year would have ranked him at #33 last season. That's how low your standards are. Scoring 8 TD's would have had him ranked around 14th last season amongst receivers and this is after scoring more TD's than any receiver in the league from 2012 to 2014. A 900 yard, 8 TD season would have this board loaded with Dez threads with fans complaining about his production. lol

The money is spent. It was spent with him as the centerpiece of the offense prior to getting zeke and Dak, with which the entire dynamic changed. It's not necessary to have a 1500 yd receiver. In fact if if Dez had a career year at this point it would likely be to the detriment of the team. So allowing updated thoughts based on present information is necessary. Dez playing well and opening up the field while we're winning is what to hope for. Money is gone, does he help the team win should be the criteria moving forward. **** the individual stats he's like a booster pack for every other skill position

 

[KJJ]

Not talking to me but I'll respond anyway.

I defended Dez after game one because I believed it was

A) daks first game and he was clearly more comfortable throwing short to safety valves witten and Beasley, and the coaching staff had a very conservative and stripped down playbook for him

B) the Giants defense played very well and focused on eliminating Dez and Zeke

C) He made a Dez esque TD catch that was stolen again.

With 2015 lingering over him obviously it was concerning but I was reserving judgement because of those factors and because he looked good to me in preseason.

Next game moved around, used creatively and with great success. Game after that looked to be more of the same but he got hurt on the first drive. Still stayed in and scored the game clinching TD.

When he comes back again against the best defense we've faced he had his biggest game of the year and once again scores a huge TD to tie the game and it was vintage Dez. You want to focus on the number of targets to catches but that particular game was Dak as off as we've seen him and should have been a MONSTER game. Instead it was a great game and one that helped us win.

This week it was a browns blowout so it's not really worth analyzing. Although he should have had an easy TD but had his arm completely held down.


Only game I'm disappointed by was the first and again there were several reasons not to read too much into it IMO which was then validated by him having three straight great games.

I still want more, he's paid to do more and I'm missing it as well. But I am happy he's back on the field and either producing 100 yard games, catching crucial tds, or occupying so much attn that everyone else's jobs are easier.

The TD Dez had vs the Giants in the opener wasn't stolen from him, he once again didn't do what the RULE required to make a legal catch. He was going to the ground and when he hit the ground the ball came loose and once he regained control he was out of bounds. That's an incomplete pass under the RULE! Even Garrett was frustrated with him, saying during his presser that Dez knows the rule and you have to hang onto the ball all the way through the ground. The ball didn't touch the ground but it came loose causing him to lose control and once he regained control he was OB. Ever since he signed his contract he's been battling injuries, missing games and he hasn't been consistent when he's on the field. His production and big plays have declined.

 

[Proof]

The TD Dez had vs the Giants in the opener wasn't stolen from him, he once again didn't do what the RULE required to make a legal catch. He was going to the ground and when he hit the ground the ball came loose and once he regained control he was out of bounds. That's an incomplete pass under the RULE! Even Garrett was frustrated with him, saying during his presser that Dez knows the rule and you have to hang onto the ball all the way through the ground. The ball didn't touch the ground but it came loose causing him to lose control and once he regained control he was OB. Ever since he signed his contract he's been battling injuries, missing games and he hasn't been consistent when he's on the field. His production and big plays have declined.

Gotcha. Ignore everything else I said and harp on an arbitrary point concerning the game I already admitted I was disappointed in him for.

I will stop littering this thread with critical thought.

Loves

 

[KJJ]

The money is spent. It was spent with him as the centerpiece of the offense prior to getting zeke and Dak, with which the entire dynamic changed. It's not necessary to have a 1500 yd receiver. In fact if if Dez had a career year at this point it would likely be to the detriment of the team. So allowing updated thoughts based on present information is necessary. Dez playing well and opening up the field while we're winning is what to hope for. Money is gone, does he help the team win should be the criteria moving forward. **** the individual stats he's like a booster pack for every other skill position

The dynamic hasn't changed at all because Dez had a career year in 2014 with the same components he has this season, with the leagues leading rusher and a QB having a great year. We had two MVP candidates at RB and QB in 2014 and Dez put up over 1300 yards and had a career year in TD's. Having an efficient QB and dynamic runner in the backfield should make him even better but he hasn't been the same receiver since his foot injury. Beasley is on pace for a 1000 yard season and only 2 fewer catches than Dez had in 2014.

If Dez's production doesn't start picking up eventually the Cowboys are going to start looking for a dynamic down the field speed threat because that's the only thing this offense lacks to be unstoppable. The more experience Dak gains the more down the field he'll start going and he's going to need a receiver who can stretch the field. We're already starting to see deeper throws from him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You're claiming I said Dak was a bust after week one. Everyone is laughing at that one with all the praise I've passed out to him since preseason. lol You couldn't have come up with a worse lie than that. I've made cash and avatar wagers with you to come up with a post where I called Dak a bust and even offered to terminate my account if you found a post and you won't take me up on any of those bets because you're lying. It's almost like you're on a mission to make yourself look foolish. Mission accomplished! This is all part of your strategy to divert. I asked if what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we get from him the rest of his career would you be satisfied with it? He's on pace for 600 yards and 4 TD's this season. If he were to only produce 900 yards and 8 TD's that's not what we paid him for. Dude, that's #2 receiver numbers.

Twill put up 840 yards last season and 3 TD's with scrub QBs and you would be happy with only 900 yards and 8 TD's from Dez Bryant who got paid a $70M contract and is suppose to be our #1 receiver??? lol A 900 yard season would be the 3rd lowest of his career and so would 8 TD's. That's average receiver numbers. A 900 yard receiving year would have ranked him at #33 last season. That's how low your standards are. Scoring 8 TD's would have had him ranked around 14th last season amongst receivers and this is after scoring more TD's than any receiver in the league from 2012 to 2014. A 900 yard, 8 TD season would have this board loaded with Dez threads with fans complaining about his production. lol

And yet you did claim Dak was a "bust" after Week 1.

Also, by "everyone" do you mean the emoticons you include in every post?

You want me to go deft through some thread from 3 months ago. Nope. You'll just have to own it.

 

[KJJ]

And yet you did claim Dak was a "bust" after Week 1.

You want me to go deft through some thread from 3 months ago. Nope. You'll just have to own it.

You claimed I called Dak a bust after week one and you also claimed I'm a McFadden lover. lol If someone made a board bet with me involving an avatar, cash or agreeing to terminate their account if I could find a post from WEEK ONE where they said something they're denying now, it wouldn't take me more than 15 minutes to locate it and slam them. Looks like you're going to get slammed again because here's a post I made from week one after the game defending Dak against those who didn't think he played well. Read it and weep!

I thought Dak played pretty well for his first NFL start.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/dak-did-not-play-well.356466/page-8

 

[KJJ]

Gotcha. Ignore everything else I said and harp on an arbitrary point concerning the game I already admitted I was disappointed in him for.

I will stop littering this thread with critical thought.

Loves

You said the TD was stolen from him and you were WRONG because you're one of those who still doesn't understand the RULE. I've covered everything that can be said about Dez in all the exchanges we've had. Drafting Zeke and adding a terrific young QB who has the 4th highest passer rating in the league hasn't changed the dynamic, Dez is still expected to produce and should produce with a QB and RB who are having great years. I don't have time to write novels all day on this topic because nothing is going to convince you especially if you still don't understand what a legal catch is.

 

[Proof]

You said the TD was stolen from him and you were WRONG because you're one of those who still doesn't understand the RULE. I've covered everything that can be said about Dez in all the exchanges we've had. Drafting Zeke and adding a terrific young QB who has the 4th highest passer rating in the league hasn't changed the dynamic, Dez is still expected to produce and should produce with a QB and RB who are having great years. I don't have time to write novels all day on this topic because nothing is going to convince you especially if you still don't understand what a legal catch is.

shut up

 

[KJJ]

Dez playing well and opening up the field while we're winning is what to hope for.

You call 2-3 drops and one catch for 19 yards as playing well??? You call him running a lazy route that caused Garrett to jump on him immediately afterwords as playing well? He's being paid to produce not be a damn decoy.

 

[KJJ]

shut up

I've reduced you to that. lol Take your own advice and go learn the catch rule.

 

[CATCH17]

Dez continues to disappoint me. That's my dude but why is he entertaining Skip? Lebron needs to talk to mr Bryant

Because Skip Bayless has a large stage and people buy into things he says.

It's easy to make Dez out to be something he is not and I don't blame any player on any team for defending themselves because nobody else will do it for them besides their coaches and teammates.

 

[ConstantReboot]

we're still rolling because we have the best o-line in football, arguably the best rb in football, and several other solid receivers to complement and catch intermediate balls. dez is easily the best receiver on the team on his worst day. cole is awesome, and he's a great fit for a team that has a great o-line, hof te, and a qb that excels in underneath throws. cole has good hands and runs very solid (short) routes. again I love cole, I'm glad we have him and love the dimension he adds to the offense. he doesn't hold a candle to dez

LOL Dez should be a better receiver than Cole. I think its silly to even compare because they each have their own role to play in this team.

Cole is not as athletic and as big as Dez. Yet he is productive, gets open and bails out Dak when needed. On the other hand, Dez is top 5 talent as a receiver. Yet he's dropping passes. Then complains about being held and is causing a distraction. He needs to get his focus back and just keep working. Don't worry about the other things that aren't important.

 

[Proof]

You said the TD was stolen from him and you were WRONG because you're one of those who still doesn't understand the RULE. I've covered everything that can be said about Dez in all the exchanges we've had. Drafting Zeke and adding a terrific young QB who has the 4th highest passer rating in the league hasn't changed the dynamic, Dez is still expected to produce and should produce with a QB and RB who are having great years. I don't have time to write novels all day on this topic because nothing is going to convince you especially if you still don't understand what a legal catch is.

Jesus Christ you're insufferable. The "rule" is dubious at best, and the NFL doesn't even understand it due to all the ambiguity. Not everything is meant to be taken literal though, in this case however... Dez LITERALLY caught the ball. And it was ruled a catch on the field. The stolen comment (NOT meant to be taken literal) was more a shot at the league. But yet again that was sidenote in my overall point. You choosing to latch on to it and blather on about semantics really tells me all I need to know about you.

As far as the dynamic... it really doesn't need to be spelled out whatsoever, it has changed in that the team focuses on the intermediate which is currently being dominated by Cole Beasley. They move the chains first, take the top off ...... occasionally? The redzone play calling is a mixed bag due to all of the different options with Dak under center, where as in 2014 (and previously) Dez was the first, second and third read. So yes, good rushing attack, efficient qb, different dynamic. Spreads the ball more evenly, utilizes a multitude of different red zone looks, and plays much much more risk averse than Romo.

Lastly how on earth can you glean that I think Dez production in the Cleveland game was "good" ? Did I say that? No I did not, I would not. I said that what you can expect and hope for MOVING FORWARD is playing well and helping the team win. Also that he HAS played well overall this season. No, not specifically in the Cleveland game isolated, as an aggregate with the other games in which I detailed his contributions, and totaled for an over all picture. Focus on the macro not the micro, although that wouldn't leave you with much to discuss.

 

[KJJ]

Jesus Christ you're insufferable. The "rule" is dubious at best, and the NFL doesn't even understand it due to all the ambiguity. Not everything is meant to be taken literal though, in this case however... Dez LITERALLY caught the ball. And it was ruled a catch on the field. The stolen comment (NOT meant to be taken literal) was more a shot at the league. But yet again that was sidenote in my overall point. You choosing to latch on to it and blather on about semantics really tells me all I need to know about you.

As far as the dynamic... it really doesn't need to be spelled out whatsoever, it has changed in that the team focuses on the intermediate which is currently being dominated by Cole Beasley. They move the chains first, take the top off ...... occasionally? The redzone play calling is a mixed bag due to all of the different options with Dak under center, where as in 2014 (and previously) Dez was the first, second and third read. So yes, good rushing attack, efficient qb, different dynamic. Spreads the ball more evenly, utilizes a multitude of different red zone looks, and plays much much more risk averse than Romo.

Lastly how on earth can you glean that I think Dez production in the Cleveland game was "good" ? Did I say that? No I did not, I would not. I said that what you can expect and hope for MOVING FORWARD is playing well and helping the team win. Also that he HAS played well overall this season. No, not specifically in the Cleveland game isolated, as an aggregate with the other games in which I detailed his contributions, and totaled for an over all picture. Focus on the macro not the micro, although that wouldn't leave you with much to discuss.

The rule is pretty simple and Dez CLEARLY lost control of the football in the endzone when he hit the ground and when he regained control he was OB. It was painfully clear on replay and if you're blinded to that then you're just wasting my time. You said Dez has played well and he's had two one catch games this season with several drops. If he's played well all these Dez threads with fans complaining about his production wouldn't keep popping up.

He's had two good games this season in the 5 games he's played. The talking heads are starting to discuss his lack of production. Do you honestly think had he not signed his contract when he did that he would have gotten paid the same amount based off what he's done the past season and a half?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You claimed I called Dak a bust after week one and you also claimed I'm a McFadden lover. lol If someone made a board bet with me involving an avatar, cash or agreeing to terminate their account if I could find a post from WEEK ONE where they said something they're denying now, it wouldn't take me more than 15 minutes to locate it and slam them. Looks like you're going to get slammed again because here's a post I made from week one after the game defending Dak against those who didn't think he played well. Read it and weep!

That just shows you backtracking on calling Dak a bust. How does that prove your point?

You keep wanting me to make a sig bet but I'm already happy with mine.

Why don't you like Dak?

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

 

[KJJ]

As far as the dynamic... it really doesn't need to be spelled out whatsoever, it has changed in that the team focuses on the intermediate which is currently being dominated by Cole Beasley. They move the chains first, take the top off ...... occasionally? The redzone play calling is a mixed bag due to all of the different options with Dak under center, where as in 2014 (and previously) Dez was the first, second and third read. So yes, good rushing attack, efficient qb, different dynamic. Spreads the ball more evenly, utilizes a multitude of different red zone looks, and plays much much more risk averse than Romo.

Dak throws to the open receivers, he's not a gunslinger like Romo who'll risk throwing picks to come up with some big plays. Beasley's role has been the same the past 3 seasons and he and Dak have developed some good chemistry because he gets open and is reliable. It was about moving the chains back in 2014 but Dez provided a big play threat with Romo. Dak isn't going to give him the jump ball opportunities that Romo did. Dez seems to only be able to run one or two routes and most throws to him are contested. A good rushing attack and and an efficient QB is exactly what Dez excelled with in 2014.

He has the same situation in 2016 with Zeke and Dak. There's been several situations where Dak and Dez weren't on the same page, we saw a play like that last week. Witten continues to produce and Beasley has become more productive every year, but only Dez's production has taken a major hit due to injuries, drops and not being able to get open. The running game has opened up pass catching opportunities for a number of receivers including Butler, even Escobar got into the act last week with a TD. We need a FAST receiver who can stretch the field, that's all we lack offensively.