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Dak and Beasley have taken to each other real well despite only playing 8 games together because Beasley gets open. You have to look at what Beasley has done this season and he's been our most valuable receiver. He sealed a win a few weeks ago with a big chain moving catch plus he's our punt returner. I'm looking at the games Dez was out and we played 3 very solid games without him. Naturally Dak is going to say Dez is the best receiver in the NFL but do you honestly think he believes that? lol What is he suppose to say? He doesn't target Dez as much as much as Beasley and Witten because he's not getting open. He had at least a couple of drops against Cleveland and things like that will keep Dak from looking his way.

I'd agree thus far Beasley has been the most valuable because he started out as the checkdown and that confidence in him grew and he's moved the chains. yes. he's been the most valuable to date, AND dez is better than him. not mutually exclusive. Also you're wrong about the targets because Dez has more targets than him in the 4 games they've played together.
You've got to stop speaking for what Dak will or won't do or how he feels about who and what. As far as what he said about Dez he wasn't asked a leading question or backed into answering a certain way. He offered up that Dez is the best in the league in his opinion, and we've already seen that he doesn't feel the need to coddle him with "if dez is the read dez is the read."

There's room in this world for cole Beasley to be awesome and a chain mover, and Dez to be better than him. There's also room for Dez to not be where he needs to be yet, and to need to be more productive, create more separation, and make tougher catches. Not either or. Only absolute is that Dez is better than Cole. Better in the literal and common sense, sense. Not in the "who has played more games" arbitrary sense
 

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I'd agree thus far Beasley has been the most valuable because he started out as the checkdown and that confidence in him grew and he's moved the chains. yes. he's been the most valuable to date, AND dez is better than him. not mutually exclusive. Also you're wrong about the targets because Dez has more targets than him in the 4 games they've played together.
You've got to stop speaking for what Dak will or won't do or how he feels about who and what. As far as what he said about Dez he wasn't asked a leading question or backed into answering a certain way. He offered up that Dez is the best in the league in his opinion, and we've already seen that he doesn't feel the need to coddle him with "if dez is the read dez is the read."

There's room in this world for cole Beasley to be awesome and a chain mover, and Dez to be better than him. There's also room for Dez to not be where he needs to be yet, and to need to be more productive, create more separation, and make tougher catches. Not either or. Only absolute is that Dez is better than Cole. Better in the literal and common sense, sense. Not in the "who has played more games" arbitrary sense

I'm speaking for what Dak has said and what he's done on the field. He's going to offer up a lot of things and make sure it's all the right things. The last thing he and the team needs is a conflict with Dez. Dez isn't close to being the best receiver in football but Dak is saying all the right things. We've covered or at least I have everything we can on this topic.
 

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I'm speaking for what Dak has said and what he's done on the field. He's going to offer up a lot of things and make sure he says all the right things. The last thing he and the team needs is a conflict with Dez. Dez isn't close to being the best receiver in football but Dak is saying all the right things. We've covered or at least I have everything we can on this topic.

On the field he's thrown to Dez more than any other receiver. Off the field he's said Dez is the best receiver in the league. He's also said if Dez isn't the read he's not going to force it, and yet has thrown to him more than anyone else. I guess you can infer from that any number of things. I take it at face value though. Best on the team, most targeted, and most talented.

Enjoy your day sir.
 

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On the field he's thrown to Dez more than any other receiver. Off the field he's said Dez is the best receiver in the league. He's also said if Dez isn't the read he's not going to force it, and yet has thrown to him more than anyone else. I guess you can infer from that any number of things. I take it at face value though. Best on the team, most targeted, and most talented.

Enjoy your day sir.

Maybe someone who has the time can see which receivers Dak has targeted the most this season. Just because Dak says Dez is the best receiver in the NFL that makes it true? lol Dez is the most talented receiver on the team, no debate there but there's been players who are more "talented" than other players that didn't end up having great careers. Jeff George was more talented than Joe Montana but he didn't have near the career Montana had. Talent will only get you so far and Dez probably relies too much on his talent and not enough on the mental part of the game. Like I said he's a head case.
 

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Maybe someone who has the time can see which receivers Dak has targeted the most this season. Just because Dak says Dez is the best receiver in the NFL that makes it true? lol Dez is the most talented receiver on the team, no debate there but there's been players who are more "talented" than other players that didn't end up having great careers. Jeff George was more talented than Joe Montana but he didn't have near the career Montana had. Talent will only get you so far and Dez probably relies too much on his talent and not enough on the mental part of the game. Like I said he's a head case.
Targets is a stat. You don't have to analyze game film or expend more energy than googling and looking st their game logs. In the 4 games Dez had played he has 41 targets to Coles 37.

And no Dez isn't the best receiver in the league for any reason let alone because Dak says so. I was replying to you saying "I'm speaking for what Dak has said and done on the field"

He's said Dez is the best receiver in the league, and he's thrown to him more than Cole. So basing it off that (which again you suggested ) easy to infer that he believes Dez Is the Cowboys best receiver. Doesn't change the fact that Cole is still great and often times the best read. Also re: talent and careers, Dez still has ten times the career Beasleys had and they've been in the league damn near just as long lol. How about we settle on Dez clearly hasn't played to his standards or lived up to his contract yet, AND he's still the best receiver on the team despite Cole becoming a major factor as well. Seems reasonable no?
 

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This feeds right into Dez's issue. His focus is off. If he's not focusing on the next word coming out of Skip's mouth, he's giving us updates on Tony Romo's health status. His world would improve ten fold if he would focus on getting on the same page with Dak & the crew. He can start by shadowing the Bease with hopes that some of that magic will rub off.

Bease has embraced Dak and look where it has him at this point this season. Dez needs to adjust his focus.

I really hope some of you are just trolling.

I really hope you don't believe all this to be an issue.
 

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That facts are he's not getting it done on a consistent basis and if he was these Dez threads wouldn't keep popping up on the board with fans unhappy with his production. I don't start these threads. He's done little since the 2014 regular season only scoring 5 TD's. I'm just giving you the facts.

No, what you're doing is proving exactly what I said about you.

You cite a "fact" but provide zero context. In this case, that Dez missed three games this season and seven in 2015 (playing at less than 100% when he did play).
 

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I really hope you find reality.

Sorry if I don't sit up and stress myself wih the nonsense you do.

"Omg Dez responding to Skip is a example of him not being focused, he needs to hang out with guys like Beasley"

Lol seriously? How the **** do you know this? Because you read a tweet and hear about a couple of things over the net?

Now all of a sudden you're playing doctor Phil?

You sit up and watch men to much. Stop letting it consume you.
 

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No, what you're doing is proving exactly what I said about you.

You cite a "fact" but provide zero context. In this case, that Dez missed three games this season and seven in 2015 (playing at less than 100% when he did play).

You don't prove anything, I've completely ruined whatever credibility you came to this board with by exposing your agenda. I've provided plenty of facts/stats to show that Dez's production has declined since 2014. All these "Dez threads" that keep popping up with fans complaining about his lack of production and consistency is just more proof that he hasn't been the receiver he was prior to his foot injury and signing his fat contract. Everyone knows Dez missed 3 games it's impossible to hid that. The missed games and injuries are what we've been seeing with him the past 2 seasons. No one was defending him on opening day when he didn't produce because we lost.

It's easy to defend him now because we're winning but if we start running into some losses and he comes up with only one catch and several drops FANS like you won't be coming to his defense then. He had some drops on Sunday and ran a lazy route that caused Garrett to jump on him during the game. He once again showed frustration on the field that caused one of the commentators to say that he's got to learn to let things go. If what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we end up getting from him the rest of his career will you be satisfied? Have fun dancing around that. lol
 

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You don't prove anything, I've completely ruined whatever credibility you came to this board with by exposing your agenda. I've provided plenty of facts/stats to show that Dez's production has declined since 2014. All these "Dez threads" that keep popping up with fans complaining about his lack of production and consistency is just more proof that he hasn't been the receiver he was prior to his foot injury and signing his fat contract. Everyone knows Dez missed 3 games it's impossible to hid that. The missed games and injuries are what we've been seeing with him the past 2 seasons. No one was defending him on opening day when he didn't produce because we lost.

It's easy to defend him now because we're winning but if we start running into some losses and he comes up with only one catch and several drops FANS like you won't be coming to his defense then. He had some drops on Sunday and ran a lazy route that caused Garrett to jump on him during the game. He once again showed frustration on the field that caused one of the commentators to say that he's got to learn to let things go. If what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we end up getting from him the rest of his career will you be satisfied? Have fun dancing around that. lol

KJJ is claiming to have destroyed someone's credibility, lol.

Now, isn't that rich.

Did you wanna change your mind about claiming Dak was a bust?
 

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KJJ is claiming to have destroyed someone's credibility, lol.

Now, isn't that rich.

Did you wanna change your mind about claiming Dak was a bust?

You need to change your mind about claiming I said Dak was a bust to try and improve your credibility but even you know it's beyond repair. Hey, look at the bright side, your reputation as a dancer continues to flourish. You're coming up with new dance moves all the time to divert and skirt around questions. :laugh:
 

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Can you two kiss and make-up already???? :laugh:

There are "other" things to be arguing about today :omg:
 

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You don't prove anything, I've completely ruined whatever credibility you came to this board with by exposing your agenda. I've provided plenty of facts/stats to show that Dez's production has declined since 2014. All these "Dez threads" that keep popping up with fans complaining about his lack of production and consistency is just more proof that he hasn't been the receiver he was prior to his foot injury and signing his fat contract. Everyone knows Dez missed 3 games it's impossible to hid that. The missed games and injuries are what we've been seeing with him the past 2 seasons. No one was defending him on opening day when he didn't produce because we lost.

It's easy to defend him now because we're winning but if we start running into some losses and he comes up with only one catch and several drops FANS like you won't be coming to his defense then. He had some drops on Sunday and ran a lazy route that caused Garrett to jump on him during the game. He once again showed frustration on the field that caused one of the commentators to say that he's got to learn to let things go. If what we've seen from Dez the past season and a half is all we end up getting from him the rest of his career will you be satisfied? Have fun dancing around that. lol

Not talking to me but I'll respond anyway.

I defended Dez after game one because I believed it was

A) daks first game and he was clearly more comfortable throwing short to safety valves witten and Beasley, and the coaching staff had a very conservative and stripped down playbook for him

B) the Giants defense played very well and focused on eliminating Dez and Zeke

C) He made a Dez esque TD catch that was stolen again.

With 2015 lingering over him obviously it was concerning but I was reserving judgement because of those factors and because he looked good to me in preseason.

Next game moved around, used creatively and with great success. Game after that looked to be more of the same but he got hurt on the first drive. Still stayed in and scored the game clinching TD.

When he comes back again against the best defense we've faced he had his biggest game of the year and once again scores a huge TD to tie the game and it was vintage Dez. You want to focus on the number of targets to catches but that particular game was Dak as off as we've seen him and should have been a MONSTER game. Instead it was a great game and one that helped us win.

This week it was a browns blowout so it's not really worth analyzing. Although he should have had an easy TD but had his arm completely held down.


Only game I'm disappointed by was the first and again there were several reasons not to read too much into it IMO which was then validated by him having three straight great games.

I still want more, he's paid to do more and I'm missing it as well. But I am happy he's back on the field and either producing 100 yard games, catching crucial tds, or occupying so much attn that everyone else's jobs are easier.
 

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You need to change your mind about claiming I said Dak was a bust to try and improve your credibility but even you know it's beyond repair. Hey, look at the bright side, your reputation as a dancer continues to flourish. You're coming up with new dance moves all the time to divert and skirt around questions. :laugh:

Wait, you said and now you want me to change my mind about it?

:lmao:
 
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